New CDC guidelines limiting gatherings

[krittykat]

Today the CDC has made an edict limiting all gatherings of greater than 50 people or more for the next 8 weeks. Not sure if this would apply to cruise ports / terminals. If so, this could effectively shut down all cruises from the US for the same duration.

[jennmaybe]

They only made the recommendation, not ordered it.  No, I don’t believe it will apply to cruises.  It also does not apply to schools or businesses.

[ColeThornton]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/large-events/mass-gatherings-ready-for-covid-19.html

[krittykat]

2 minutes ago, jennmaybe said:

They only made the recommendation, not ordered it.  No, I don’t believe it will apply to cruises.  It also does not apply to schools or businesses.

Well, recommendation you say. .The recommendation also came down from the White House to halt cruising for at least 30 days. A recommendation was made to stop gatherings of 250 or more....Not sure where you live but in Washington state, the schools are closed until April 24, fast food restaurants are converting to drive through only, churches are going online instead of in person, telecommuting is becoming prevelant . Social distancing is the new buzz word. All following recommendations.  If the CDC recommend no more than 50 person gatherings....it will be taken to heart here.

[HalfHand]

The CDC doesn't have the authority to "order" it.

 

However, Monday either the federal government will or each individual state will. Hoping it will be left to the state level so those like @krittykat can be released sooner than the rest of us since they have been dealing with it the longest.  

 

 

[mking8288]

There is also a newly issued HAN Update to health care providers, in short, advising no cruise including river cruises in the near future and especially (but no longer the older age cohorts or at risks group) older adults.

 

Here's my screenshot as a subscriber with the details, pushed out this evening. 

Edited March 16, 2020 by mking8288

[jennmaybe]

21 minutes ago, krittykat said:

Well, recommendation you say. .The recommendation also came down from the White House to halt cruising for at least 30 days. A recommendation was made to stop gatherings of 250 or more....Not sure where you live but in Washington state, the schools are closed until April 24, fast food restaurants are converting to drive through only, churches are going online instead of in person, telecommuting is becoming prevelant . Social distancing is the new buzz word. All following recommendations.  If the CDC recommend no more than 50 person gatherings....it will be taken to heart here.

There is a difference in ordering and recommending.  It’s important that we are not misleading the folks reading this and thinking that it has been ordered and is mandatory.

 

 

I live in NC and the only thing here, so far, is closing the schools in our county for 2 weeks.  Everything else has been business as usual.  In fact, we drove out and spent the weekend in Raleigh.  No shortage of people out and about.  
 

 

[krittykat]

22 minutes ago, jennmaybe said:

There is a difference in ordering and recommending.  It’s important that we are not misleading the folks reading this and thinking that it has been ordered and is mandatory.

 

 

I live in NC and the only thing here, so far, is closing the schools in our county for 2 weeks.  Everything else has been business as usual.  In fact, we drove out and spent the weekend in Raleigh.  No shortage of people out and about.  
 

 

Apologies for being misleading but this is the immediate response my state has to the CDC "recommendation"

https://www.kptv.com/users/login/?referer_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kptv.com%2Fnews%2Finslee-to-order-all-bars-restaurants-to-close-to-fight%2Farticle_6ceb64ca-4d85-5a6b-9150-6248c86dbeef.html%3Futm_medium%3Dsocial%26utm_source%3Dfacebook_FOX_12_Oregon%26save_asset%3D6ceb64ca-4d85-5a6b-9150-6248c86dbeef

 

Our state is literally shutting down. I forget that some areas are luckier (maybe not the right word) so far.

Edited March 16, 2020 by krittykat

[mugtech]

NCL loves to claim that the health and safety of everyone on the ships is their number one priority.  If that is true, then following the CDC advice should be automatic, cancel the next 8 weeks of cruises.  This advice should, based on recent history, be heeded especially by cruise lines.  How can any cruise lines have casinos and theatres open for business as usual?  Even the worst shows have more than 50 people in the theatre.

[esm54687]

43 minutes ago, mugtech said:

NCL loves to claim that the health and safety of everyone on the ships is their number one priority.  If that is true, then following the CDC advice should be automatic, cancel the next 8 weeks of cruises.  This advice should, based on recent history, be heeded especially by cruise lines.  How can any cruise lines have casinos and theatres open for business as usual?  Even the worst shows have more than 50 people in the theatre.

Would these US CDC "recommendations" be enforceable on foreign flagged ships in international waters? 

[mugtech]

40 minutes ago, esm54687 said:

Would these US CDC "recommendations" be enforceable on foreign flagged ships in international waters? 

No, just a good idea.  Ports can be closed.

[monl765]

2 hours ago, mugtech said:

NCL loves to claim that the health and safety of everyone on the ships is their number one priority.  If that is true, then following the CDC advice should be automatic, cancel the next 8 weeks of cruises.  This advice should, based on recent history, be heeded especially by cruise lines.  How can any cruise lines have casinos and theatres open for business as usual?  Even the worst shows have more than 50 people in the theatre.

 

This elimates pretty much all church services as well, yet in Indiana churches have been exempted from the 250 people gathering limit.  At least NCL has stopped cruises for 30 days, which could be extended.  Las Vegas has not shut down, other than MGM Resorts group, why pick on Cruise lines?

[mugtech]

28 minutes ago, monl765 said:

 

This elimates pretty much all church services as well, yet in Indiana churches have been exempted from the 250 people gathering limit.  At least NCL has stopped cruises for 30 days, which could be extended.  Las Vegas has not shut down, other than MGM Resorts group, why pick on Cruise lines?

250 people are 250 people no matter where they are.  Picking on cruise lines because this is Cruise Critic, would pick on churches if I were on Church Critic.

[milolii]

2 hours ago, jennmaybe said:

There is a difference in ordering and recommending.  It’s important that we are not misleading the folks reading this and thinking that it has been ordered and is mandatory.

 

 

I live in NC and the only thing here, so far, is closing the schools in our county for 2 weeks.  Everything else has been business as usual.  In fact, we drove out and spent the weekend in Raleigh.  No shortage of people out and about.  
 

 

Moving from recommending to Ordering is probably not many days away.  Things are changing rapidly.  Things are not business as usual everywhere.  Certainly not where the OP lives. The main goal now is to slow the spread so not to overload our hospital systems. Hence the crowd size.  
 

The governor of Oklahoma was out and about last night with his family in a busy restaurant.  Today he declared a state of emergency in his state. 

To the OP,  good luck to you and your state.  

 

[milolii]

5 hours ago, jennmaybe said:

There is a difference in ordering and recommending.  It’s important that we are not misleading the folks reading this and thinking that it has been ordered and is mandatory.

 

 

I live in NC and the only thing here, so far, is closing the schools in our county for 2 weeks.  Everything else has been business as usual.  In fact, we drove out and spent the weekend in Raleigh.  No shortage of people out and about.  
 

 

I guess I am a little confused?  It does appear your Governor has banned large group gatherings along with the school closings.   This was done after the Recommendations were ignored.  
 

https://www.witn.com/content/news/Governor-Roy-Cooper-orders-North-Carolina-schools-closed-568802051.html

[LaCal]

Here in Los Angeles the Mayor ordered all Bars,Schools, Restaurants(except for take out) Gyms, Movie theaters closed By Midnight today 

 

Casinos have closed and he Also asked churches to close for at least 2 weeks and any other non essential businesses as well

 

I think we’re going to see more mandatory closings as well by weeks end 

 

Absolutely crazy here trying to even get water or TP.  Tried for 3 days so far at multiple stores and no luck.  Going out to one this morning at 6am that was suppose to finally restock overnight....Only have 2 rolls of TP left...water I can deal with as my Brita works fine 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2020 by LaCal

[luv2kroooz]

3 hours ago, monl765 said:

Las Vegas has not shut down, other than MGM Resorts group, why pick on Cruise lines?

Google Diamond Princess, Braemar, Silver Shadow, and Silver Explorer. You'll have the answer this question.

[Laszlo]

Its only going to get worse....

 

If this is true it wrong in so many ways....  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/15/trump-offers-large-sums-for-exclusive-access-to-coronavirus-vaccine

[mugtech]

1 hour ago, Laszlo said:

Its only going to get worse....

 

If this is true it wrong in so many ways....  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/15/trump-offers-large-sums-for-exclusive-access-to-coronavirus-vaccine

Have no idea if it is true, but it certainly fits the characters involved.

[Trobrah]

Something is broken. MSC ship docks in Miami and passengers disembark without tesying

[Trobrah]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article241209366.html

[luv2kroooz]

15 minutes ago, Trobrah said:

Something is broken. MSC ship docks in Miami and passengers disembark without tesying

True. I had friends on RCL. Disembarked yesterday and reportedly were asked, how do you feel? They said, ok, and went on their way.

[YVRBassElectric]

14 minutes ago, Trobrah said:

Something is broken. MSC ship docks in Miami and passengers disembark without tesying

Passenger from previous cruise tested positive in Canada not US, seems like a communication breakdown!

[LMaxwell]

5 hours ago, blcruising said:

Google Diamond Princess, Braemar, Silver Shadow, and Silver Explorer. You'll have the answer this question.

 

Carnival Valor w guest w confirmed case (disembarked in New Orleans)

Majesty of the Seats w 2 guests w confirmed cases (disembarked in New Orleans) 

Costa ship that disembarked heart attack patient to grand cayman; he brought COVID19 onto GC as patient 1 

Puerto Rican residents onboard that Costa ship as well. 

Port Everglades Terminal workers testing positive last week and partial shut down of port. 

 

Zero screening of anyone coming off a cruise ship in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Palm Beach, Jacksonville, Port Canaveral, Tampa -  Friday, Sat, Sun, or Monday.  Probably some 75,000-90,000 passing through the ports in past 4 days with no screening before heading home/airport.  

 

Wonder when our governor is going to have a statement 

Edited March 16, 2020 by LMaxwell

[krittykat]

7 hours ago, LaCal said:

Here in Los Angeles the Mayor ordered all Bars,Schools, Restaurants(except for take out) Gyms, Movie theaters closed By Midnight today 

 

Casinos have closed and he Also asked churches to close for at least 2 weeks and any other non essential businesses as well

 

I think we’re going to see more mandatory closings as well by weeks end 

 

Absolutely crazy here trying to even get water or TP.  Tried for 3 days so far at multiple stores and no luck.  Going out to one this morning at 6am that was suppose to finally restock overnight....Only have 2 rolls of TP left...water I can deal with as my Brita works fine 

 

 

Good luck with shopping.  Shelves in Vancouver, WA have the appearance of post apocalyptic disaster - no canned veggies, no frozen veggies, no paper goods, etc - even  things like cold medicine, toothpaste/brushes, cereal are starting to look sparse.  And if you want peanut butter, rice, instant mashed potatoes, ground beef - forget it.

I literally saw a back of mini van deal going down in a pet store parking lot - not drugs but toilet paper and Tide.

On the plus side - traffic is at a minimum, I don't have school age children to try to entertain for 6 weeks, my hubby is a prepper so if worse comes to worse - we have MREs (lol)