Zaandam and Rotterdam Situation (merged topics starting March 22, 2020)

LMaxwell · March 31, 2020

The Dr. made an impassioned plea and when it came to the plan she took her foot off the gas and said she guesses Carnival can handle it. Appreciate her perspective and nice speech from the heart but no substance.

Copper10-8 · March 31, 2020

1 minute ago, Aquahound said:

She makes good points and I mostly agree with her, but she also said FLL is where the ship was supposed to end it's cruise. I think she might have been misinformed in that regard.

If you're referring to Zaandam, she actually did, on 07 Apr. Unless I misunderstood you

Zaandam	3/6/2020	Fri	BUENOS AIRES
Zaandam	3/7/2020	Sat	BUENOS AIRES
Zaandam	3/8/2020	Sun	Buenos Aires
Zaandam	3/9/2020	Mon	Montevideo
Zaandam	3/10/2020	Tue	At Sea (South Atlantic Ocean)
Zaandam	3/11/2020	Wed	At Sea
Zaandam	3/12/2020	Thu	Port Stanley
Zaandam	3/13/2020	Fri	Scenic cruising Strait of Magellan
Zaandam	3/14/2020	Sat	Punta Arenas
Zaandam	3/15/2020	Sun	Ushuaia
Zaandam	3/16/2020	Mon	Scenic cruising Cape Horn
Zaandam	3/17/2020	Tue	Scenic cruising Sarmiento Channel
Zaandam	3/18/2020	Wed	Scenic cruising Chilean Fjords
Zaandam	3/19/2020	Thu	Puerto Montt
Zaandam	3/20/2020	Fri	At Sea (South Pacific Ocean)
Zaandam	3/21/2020	Sat	SAN ANTONIO (SANTIAGO)
Zaandam	3/22/2020	Sun	Coquimbo (La Serena)
Zaandam	3/23/2020	Mon	At Sea (Pacific Ocean)
Zaandam	3/24/2020	Tue	At Sea
Zaandam	3/25/2020	Wed	Callao (Lima)
Zaandam	3/26/2020	Thu	Callao (Lima)
Zaandam	3/27/2020	Fri	Salaverry (Trujillo)
Zaandam	3/28/2020	Sat	At Sea (Pacific Ocean)
Zaandam	3/29/2020	Sun	Manta (Quito)
Zaandam	3/30/2020	Mon	At Sea (Pacific Ocean)
Zaandam	3/31/2020	Tue	Fuerte Amador (Panama City)
Zaandam	4/1/2020	Wed	Fuerte Amador (Panama City)
Zaandam	4/2/2020	Thu	At Sea (Caribbean Sea)
Zaandam	4/3/2020	Fri	Oranjestad
Zaandam	4/4/2020	Sat	At Sea (Caribbean Sea)
Zaandam	4/5/2020	Sun	At Sea
Zaandam	4/6/2020	Mon	Half Moon Cay
Zaandam	4/7/2020	Tue	FORT LAUDERDALE, FL

LMaxwell · March 31, 2020

"Aren't we all just waiting for a plan and when that plan is submitted we can discuss it?"

"Yes"

Nymich · March 31, 2020

Earlier the Carnival Rep did say he did not have a complete plan because he needed the results of this meeting to finish the plan. Maybe now he can go back now finish the plan and get these people off.

rajkr74 · March 31, 2020

4 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

Kudos to that Commissioner, Dr. Barbara Sharief!

That's a commissioner I'd vote for at a drop of a hat!! Great comments from her!

Vict0riann · March 31, 2020

Another one for the removal of passengers from the ships. Yay!

VermeulT · March 31, 2020

Just now, rajkr74 said:

That's a commissioner I'd vote for at a drop of a hat!! Great comments from her!

And the last lady. Nancy (?). "We're their last hope"

LMaxwell · March 31, 2020

Just now, Nymich said:

Earlier the Carnival Rep did say he did not have a complete plan because he needed the results of this meeting to finish the plan. Maybe now he can go back now finish the plan and get these people off.

The cruise line has to submit the plan that meets the requirements as published yesterday and addresses questions of today.

capriccio · March 31, 2020

8 minutes ago, FlorenceItaly said:

Unfortunately, Coral Princess is having issues too.

just announced flu like cases. See the last page of the thread.

Aquahound · March 31, 2020

My apologies, Copper10-8. I didn't know it was supposed to end in FL. Was that itinerary all 1 cruise, or inclusive of multiple segments? For some reason, I though it was supposed to conclude in Chili.

Minne Wonka Girl · March 31, 2020

1 minute ago, VermeulT said:

And the last lady. Nancy (?). "We're their last hope"

As a Broward resident, I emailed her to thank her.

Vict0riann · March 31, 2020

"We need to keep the port open."

Nymich · March 31, 2020

Just now, Vict0riann said:

"We need to keep the port open."

Agreed. Nobody wants anymore people stranded at Sea we all have enough to deal with on land.

Vict0riann · March 31, 2020

4 minutes ago, VermeulT said:

And the last lady. Nancy (?). "We're their last hope"

I think that was Commissioner Rich?

Vict0riann · March 31, 2020

Just now, Nymich said:

Agreed. Nobody wants anymore people stranded at Sea we all have enough to deal with on land.

And he was saying that all the ships "parked" at sea need to come in to re-provision and refuel. Which is a very valid point.

Copper10-8 · March 31, 2020

2 minutes ago, Aquahound said:

My apologies, Copper10-8. I didn't know it was supposed to end in FL. Was that itinerary all 1 cruise, or inclusive of multiple segments? For some reason, I though it was supposed to conclude in Chili.

Please, no apologies required!

It included a total of two itineraries/segments

LMaxwell · March 31, 2020

Port Director Wiltshire caught blindsided by Crown Princess; as was CDC and US Coast Guard. Ship ordered out of port. Violation of Federal Law. Carnival Rep "My phone is out of juice"; trying to justify the actions by saying the ships haven't left US territorial waters and so did not need to provide an update.

LOOK - WE ALL want the same thing; people to get home, safely. CREW INCLUDED. The plan has to come from Carnival Corp and that is what is lacking.

Create plan

Make it actionable

EXECUTE

Edited March 31, 2020 by LMaxwell

sansterre · March 31, 2020

Commissioners Sherief and Commissioner Rich, two smart women saying all the passengers want to do is go home. Yes! Unless they live in Broward/Dade area, they want to get away from that center of Covid-19 activity.

I will campaign for them if they run for re-elecitons!

It really isn't that complicated, is it? Crown Princess - isn't that the one that is due April 4? Did it just leave this morning? I hope that doesn't negatively affect the HAL ships.

Edited March 31, 2020 by sansterre

Copper10-8 · March 31, 2020

Btw, Crown Princess is still in port, according to Admiral Burke (ret), she has another crew member is serious condition, waiting for a 2nd medevac

https://www.ftlauderdalewebcam.com/

LMaxwell · March 31, 2020

Is Commissioner Bogen calling out the Carnival Rep directly?

edit: Yes. Diplomatically, but yes.

Edited March 31, 2020 by LMaxwell

Max2003 · March 31, 2020

30 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

I don't think they've made a decision as of yet. The Broward County Sheriff is referring to it in his comments. Btw, he's is running out of collar space for his rank insignia/amount of stars

I get the impression that they expect a salute. Fortunately, I am always uncovered and can't. When they get to 6 stars the military will have to up their game.

Mosaic · March 31, 2020

4 minutes ago, LMaxwell said:

Port Director Wiltshire caught blindsided by Crown Princess; as was CDC and US Coast Guard. Ship ordered out of port. Violation of Federal Law. Carnival Rep "My phone is out of juice"; trying to justify the actions by saying the ships haven't left US territorial waters and so did not need to provide an update.

LOOK - WE ALL want the same thing; people to get home, safely. CREW INCLUDED. The plan has to come from Carnival Corp and that is what is lacking.

Create plan

Make it actionable

EXECUTE

Yes, a full plan is needed. I do not believe, however, that we all want the same thing...

LMaxwell · March 31, 2020

1 minute ago, Mosaic said:

Yes, a full plan is needed. I do not believe, however, that we all want the same thing...

How could anyone want anything different?

Nymich · March 31, 2020

1 minute ago, Mosaic said:

Yes, a full plan is needed. I do not believe, however, that we all want the same thing...

I could never think that everyone does not want them all off safely.

Vict0riann · March 31, 2020

Waffling...

Zaandam and Rotterdam Situation (merged topics starting March 22, 2020)

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