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40 minutes ago, kimanjo said:

How many people have you ever heard of being sent to the CDC?? Their diagnosis was very vague "pneumonia".  

Wow.. that is all I can say .....WoW.

 

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54 minutes ago, kimanjo said:

 

The point of my post was really not about our specific ordeal, but more about the dates of all of this happening.Middle/ End of February.

One last thing.  The person who I believe where we got it, at least my husband and I was a friend who was sick with wierd symptoms, his doctor sent him to.....THE CDC to get tested ( about 3rd week of February).   Lots of people get referred to MD Anderson, or Mayo Clinic for help with diagnosis..  How many people have you ever heard of being sent to the CDC?? Their diagnosis was very vague "pneumonia".  


While it is a bit unusual to be referred to the CDC for testing it does happen in unique situations.   Part of being tested by the CDC is the availability of a local CDC office with testing capabilities.  Not every state and certainly not every city in the US has a CDC office.   Secondly, and probably kudos to the doctor for recognizing at a “gut” level that there was something unusual about your friend’s symptoms.   In February we were just starting to really hear about Covid-19 and the potential pandemic.   In fact my wife, who is the chief of staff of a military medical activity, flew to Washington, DC the first week of March for business for reasons other than the virus and while discussed it wasn’t yet the issue and situation it was to become.  As an aside I picked my wife up at the airport on her return and since it was late afternoon we stopped at our favorite Tex-Mex restaurant for an early dinner.   Turns out that was the last time we ate dinner out, some 30+ weeks ago.   
 

Within a week of her return my wife had a staff member who was diagnosed as having pneumonia.  He stayed home and went through the standard regiment of antibiotics.  After 10 days he returned to work but for literally a couple of hours since he still wasn’t 100%.   Fast forward a few days and his spouse became ill and was diagnosed with Covid-19.   The staff member relapsed about the same time.  Both passed of Covid-19 within 48 hours of each other at Easter.    Things back then, even in a medical environment, changed quickly.  A lot of would have, should have, and could of moments in retrospect had we fully understood the “enemy at the doorstep”.   Luckily the virus did not spread in my wife’s staff and 200+ days later she just yesterday had a second staff member test positive.  

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59 minutes ago, Randyk47 said:

While it is a bit unusual to be referred to the CDC for testing it does happen in unique situations.

@Randyk47

I totally understand this point.. Given the date of referral and examination  for the CDC to diagnosis pneumonia without * for possible Covid .. I personally thought was "WoW" ....

Guess it just shows how little we really know about this virus...

 

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17 hours ago, Randyk47 said:

Terry - Your last post doesn’t leave me with a lot of warm fuzzies about cruising again soon.  

 

For Randy, I did not intend to be a "Debbie Downer" in sharing that Sunday 60 Minutes story on CBS television  That show gains a big, prime-time audience and their reporters/producers did a good job in putting it "all" together.  Much of that story for March (early during this process/saga) was about how the plane load from France flew into Atlanta (home of the CDC) and that key Federal agency was not well-prepared as to how these individuals coming off of an infected cruise were to be handled and managed. Many mistakes have been made as this is a somewhat "new" situation that has not been experienced in recent decades.  

 

Sorry to hear on the challenges that faced kimanjo and family.  Not an easy or simple process where the medical steps had not been perfected by that stage.  Even today, we are still "exploring", slowly, painfully, in figuring out what all happens next.  Appreciate this background from kimanjo.  Regular lung illnesses are challenging, but these types of "pneumonia" mixed with Covid-19 get even more difficult.  

 

This thread is now over 50,000 views.  Thanks to all who have dropped by, raised questions, shared information, etc.  Keep it coming!!  All is very helpful and informative.  

 

From Forbes magazine late this morning, they had this headline: “Shots In The Dark: Why Access To A Covid-19 Vaccine Isn’t Guaranteed with this introduction by two involved in this interview/discussion of factors involved: "As the pandemic continues to rage unabated, structural weaknesses in how we research, develop, and distribute medicines have come into sharp relief, raising questions about who will be able to access an eventual vaccine. Priti Krishtel, co-founder of I-MAK, sat down with Ashoka to discuss myths and reality in America’s quest for immunity."

 

Here are a few highlights from their back-and-forth comments : “The reality is that a vaccine is no silver bullet. Some people are going to get it first and some people aren't going to get it at all. We've seen that play out with personal protective equipment, with ventilators, with testing. Professional basketball players were getting routinely tested before the rest of us could access a single test. We need to shift away from the idea that vaccines are a quick fix. The problem we’re facing isn’t finding a vaccine for Covid. It’s building a system that allows us to respond effectively not just to this pandemic, but to the next one and the next one. If we address the drivers of lack of access — things like high drug prices and inequities in the medicines system — then we can ensure that treatments for cancer, diabetes, and a whole host of other diseases are accessible to people who need them.  It’s like sending one life boat to rescue an entire cruise ship. To make matters worse, we’re seeing countries signing private agreements with drugmakers to get as much for themselves as possible. It is really disappointing to see that so many of the steps we've taken over the last few decades to build partnerships and encourage global cooperation are being eroded right now. The result is that poor countries will be at the mercy of rich ones and unlikely to get the vaccine for years.”

 

This is a long, complicated/comprehensive review of many, varied issues about how drugs/vaccines are developed, patent/legal questions, etc., etc.  It is not a simple area to summarize with so many different, key policy questions involved, affecting countries all over the globe.  Since cruising is world-wide, the questions as to when and how those poorer countries will receive such vaccines fits into the "PUZZLE" for putting the overall travel picture back together during the future years. 

 

Full story at:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashoka/2020/10/20/shots-in-the-dark-why-access-to-a-covid-19-vaccine-isnt-guaranteed/#9a2f9186a3b0

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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4 hours ago, Randyk47 said:

Luckily the virus did not spread in my wife’s staff and 200+ days later she just yesterday had a second staff member test positive.  

 

Appreciate these added details and the follow-up from Randy down in Texas.  This background re-enforces the complicated nature of dealing with these medical challenges.  

 

From MSN News and the Miami Herald early this afternoon, they had this headline: “PortMiami wants $285M in COVID rent breaks for cruise lines as debt pressures grow” with these highlights: “Faced with a crippled cruise industry as a one-time cash cow, PortMiami wants to slash required rent payments for ships and hope business picks up in time to cover debt payments for an ongoing expansion. The proposal before Miami-Dade commissioners Tuesday would waive up to $285 million in fees Carnival, NCL, Royal Caribbean and other cruise companies would owe under minimum-rent deals they signed years ago to use the county-owned docks, terminals and garages off downtown Miami. The revenue is crucial to the port’s long-time financial viability, and its ability to make debt payments that otherwise must be covered by county tax dollars.  While the agreements require companies in the $35 billion cruise industry to pay the port millions of dollars in rent each year no matter how many passengers book cabins, the administration of Mayor Carlos Gimenez wants to forgive those payments as a way to keep Miami a cruising hub during the COVID recovery. Add it up and the waivers after the no-sail order is lifted would mean another $220 million in lost required revenue to the port, bringing the total relief to cruise lines to roughly $275 million, depending on whether the no-sail order lasts until next summer.”

 

Glad that I am not a taxpayer down in Miami and Florida worrying about picking up the tab for these port costs and bond payment legal obligations.  A significant number of financial questions are up in the air.  MANY LEVELS OF UNCERTAINITY??!!

 

Full story at:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/portmiami-wants-dollar285m-in-covid-rent-breaks-for-cruise-lines-as-debt-pressures-grow/ar-BB1adFT4

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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Eight passengers who sailed on Costa Cruises' Costa Diadema have tested positive for COVID-19, Roger Frizzell, spokesperson for Carnival Corp., the parent company to Costa, confirmed to USA TODAY Friday. 

https://news.yahoo.com/eight-passengers-test-positive-covid-194123929.html

Are the cruise lines that are still operating itineraries using the Quick test? And secondly does anyone have statistics on reliability of those tests?

 

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14 hours ago, rucrazy said:

And secondly does anyone have statistics on reliability of those tests?

The reported rate of false negatives is as low as 2% and as high as 37%. The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero.

 

This is from Harvard-https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734  And it for molecular tests

From the same source  
What about accuracy?  (Antigen test)The reported rate of false negative results is as high as 50%, which is why antigen tests are not favored by the FDA as a single test for active infection.

 

Confusing isn't it.  So by far the best test is the molecular test, commonly referred to as the PCR test which is the nasal swab test.  Its false positive test is close to 0.  This test takes time to process, usually 1-3 days.  I would not place and faith at all in the antigen test.  This is the one that yields quick results, as fast a 15 minutes,  and is what is being proposed for things like passing quarantine at airports, or getting on a cruise ship, or getting into the White House.  

 

 

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5 hours ago, chrism23 said:

The reported rate of false negatives is as low as 2% and as high as 37%. The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero.  This is from Harvard-https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734  And it for molecular tests.   From the same source  What about accuracy?  (Antigen test)The reported rate of false negative results is as high as 50%, which is why antigen tests are not favored by the FDA as a single test for active infection.  Confusing isn't it.  So by far the best test is the molecular test, commonly referred to as the PCR test which is the nasal swab test.

 

Appreciate these details and the follow-up from our New England CC friend as to the differences and questions related to "TESTING".  Clearly all testing is not equal as to its quality, accuracy and performance.  Many variables are involved, especially as cruise lines seek to re-open and only allow on-board those who have passed such testing.  And, still, nobody answers and addresses the financial liabilities/costs if at some point in the pre-boarding and/or cruising process that you are tested as potentially having the Covid infection.   The lists of "unknowns" seems to grow longer and more complicated.  

 

From MSN News and a Bloomberg financial news column this morning, they had this headline: “Airlines Will Face a Reckoning Like the Banks Did” with these highlights: “When U.K. travel brand Thomas Cook relaunched as an online travel agent last month, it needed a way to convince customers that it’s become a more reliable custodian of their money since its 2019 bankruptcy and that they’ve nothing to fear from booking a holiday during a pandemic.  Its solution was to promise that most of the cash customers hand over long before they go on holiday will now be held in a ring-fenced trust account until they return.  For anyone who’s struggled this year to get a refund from an airline, cruise ship operator or travel agent, this will sound appealing. The model is bound to become much more common as regulators begin to understand the benefits. It’s about time.  When British tour operators renew their licenses to operate in the coming weeks, some may be asked to keep customer prepayments in a segregated account, the Telegraph newspaper reported recently. Currently, travel companies and airlines are often free to spend the prepayments on whatever they like, and long before the trip happens.”

 

Good and serious policy questions as to the safety and security of OUR advanced payments made for future travel.  

 

Here is more from this column by this experienced financial services reporter: "From the travel companies’ perspective getting customers to stump up money months before they travel is great — it’s like getting a big interest-free loan. Lufthansa, cruise operator Carnival Corp. and tour company TUI AG all held several billion dollars of customer cash, according to their most recent full financial results. When Covid-19 shut down global travel, consumers realized they were getting a raw deal. Many endured a Kafkaesque battle with company bureaucracies to get their money back and they often had to make do with vouchers."  This columnist previously worked for the respected Financial Times publication. 

 

Full story at:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/airlines-will-face-a-reckoning-like-the-banks-did/ar-BB1affUK

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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1 hour ago, TLCOhio said:

Good and serious policy questions as to the safety and security of OUR advanced payments made for future travel.  

That was the one question I did ask when booking our 2022 cruises  "Can we cancel for a monetary refund",  I was assured that we could losing only $200 per booking which would be transferred to a FCC. I will gamble $400.00 not $5000.00.

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20 hours ago, rucrazy said:

That was the one question I did ask when booking our 2022 cruises  "Can we cancel for a monetary refund",  I was assured that we could losing only $200 per booking which would be transferred to a FCC. I will gamble $400.00 not $5000.00.  Joseph

 

Agree above with the wise comment and follow-up from Joseph.  "Managing risk" is a key priority for ALL of us, especially right now.  "Gambling" with a small amount of money might be OK, maybe, but not with $5K, $10K,  $20K, etc.??!!

 

From the below trade publication two days ago, they had this headline: “Why more cruise passengers are choosing refunds over credits with these highlights: “Whenever cruise lines have discussed their quarterly earnings with Wall Street analyst this year, they have disclosed a number that before 2020 did not exist: the percentage of guests opting for a cruise refund versus a future cruise credit (FCC).  And since the beginning of the global cruise shutdown in March, that number has slowly but consistently shifted in favor of refunds.  Carnival said on May 14, 60% of passengers on canceled cruises had taken FCCs while the rest requested refunds; as of Sept. 20, the number opting for FCCs was 45%. Royal Caribbean Group said in May that 55% of passengers took an FCC; it said this month that slightly more booked passengers have opted for a full refund (50%).   And Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings said May 15 that slightly more than half its passengers had opted for a refund; it said Aug. 3 that approximately 60% of guests had requested refunds.  There are many possible reasons for this shift, but travel advisors point to at least two.  The first is simply that far fewer people have fully-paid cruises on the books anymore, as opposed to when cruises suddenly stopped sailing in March and cruise lines had to cancel thousands of sailings.  Also a factor, some advisors say, is that as the pause in cruising has continued to extend, and the Covid-19 pandemic is not ebbing, the continued cancellation of cruises and overall uncertainty around a restart is making people less likely to choose an FCC.”

 

From USA Today this morning, they had this headline: “ 'Violated protocols': Cruiser on Carnival Corp. ship blocked from boarding over COVID-19 rules” with these highlights: “A passenger traveling on AIDA Cruises' AIDAblu was not allowed to reembark after disobeying cruise line protocol on an excursion — a consequence that is to be implemented when cruising returns stateside, too, for passengers who don't follow new restrictions.  On Tuesday, during a shoreside excursion that was organized by the Carnival Corp. subsidiary in Catania, Italy, a passenger left his group, which violates the cruise line's rules for 'protection and mitigation against COVID-19.'  AIDAblu departed from Civitavecchia, Italy, on Saturday for the line's first sailing since the pandemic began.  'Our highest responsibility and top priorities are compliance, environmental protection and the health, safety and well-being of our guests, crew, shoreside employees, and the people and communities our ships visit,' AIDA said in a statement provided by Carnival Corp. spokesperson Roger Frizzell. 'Therefore, the guest was refused further travel on board AIDAblu. AIDA Cruises supported the guest in organizing his trip home.'  ”

 

Full stories at:

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Insights/Two-reasons-FCCs-dropping

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/10/22/cruise-passenger-violates-covid-19-rules-denied-boarding-carnival-corp-ship/3725199001/

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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From Barron's, the sister publication of the Wall Street Journal this morning, they had this headline: Don’t Expect Cruise Ship Sailings to Resume This Year, Analysts Say” with these highlights: “U.S. cruise line sailings likely won’t resume until March, despite the projections of some in the industry, according to Macquarie Research. Analysts Paul Golding and Charles Yu cited the risk of a second Covid-19 wave, 'a fluid political climate, and balance sheet risk' in a note dated Oct. 21. Their revised forecast reflects 'a more bearish outlook expecting further sailing cancellations.'  Their view runs counter to a growing sense of optimism in the industry about resuming sailings in the U.S. in the near future. For example, the CEO of Carnival, Arnold Donald, told analysts on Oct. 8 that 'at this point, we have every reason to be optimistic that we will be sailing in the U.S. before the year-end.'  If the order expires on Oct. 31, it leaves open the possibility for cruise companies to begin sailing in the U.S. by the end of the year.  However, the Macquarie analysts observe that 'the shadow over US cruising now casts well over the winter with a March restart' of significance at the earliest."  

 

Here is more from their reporting/analysis:  "One worry is the growing number of Covid cases in the U.S.  In writing about a scenario in which U.S. sailings didn’t resume until March, the Macquarie analysts also cite 'the risk of a false restart (i.e. burning cash to bring back ships and crew just to get shut down again)' and 'the potential for a new administration,' referring to the coming presidential election.  It’s possible that if former Vice President Joe Biden is elected president, his administration would be tougher on the cruise industry.  Royal Caribbean has the highest proportion of its fleet booked for sailings scheduled before March, according to Macquarie, with 93% of its fleet booked, compared with 83% for Norwegian and 73% for Carnival.  Royal Caribbean, which declined to comment on the Macquarie research note, is expected to discuss its outlook in the next few weeks when it releases third-quarter earnings results.”

 

Is this background and speculation realistic?  Or, too pessimistic?

 

Full story at:

https://www.barrons.com/articles/dont-expect-cruise-ship-sailings-to-resume-this-year-analysts-say-51603376755?adobe_mc=MCMID%3D63471548750076989185250804279237370225|MCORGID%3DCB68E4BA55144CAA0A4C98A5%40AdobeOrg|TS%3D1603384821

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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I have 2022 cruised booked, a back to back from Buenos Aires to Ft. Lauderdale for which I had to put up $1000.  Since at this moment Manaus, where the cruise stops for 2 days, is the epicenter of the virus in Brazil. 

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/22/1008709/brazil-manaus-covid-coronavirus-herd-immunity-pandemic/

 

Even projecting out to 2022, this cruise looks like its not going to happen. This was to be on the Silver Dawn for 37 days.  And this early booking provided a lot of incentives totaling about 20% off. So I will be out the $1000 but I could book it in the future if it happens.  It was a bet I lost.  No big deal.  But the thought of going a little way up the Amazon on the nearly new Dawn is still enticing.  Problem is it sounds like there might not be much of Manaus left.  

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3 minutes ago, worldtraveller99 said:

If most people on the cruise chrism23 were able to be vaccinated during 2021, why wouldn't the cruise happen in 2022? Unless Manaus becomes a no go area, when they would change the itinerary?


Here is  hoping that happens. 

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1 hour ago, TLCOhio said:

Is this background and speculation realistic?  Or, too pessimistic?

 


I’d say realistic.  The modeling I’m seeing through my wife’s and my professional resources really paint a still long and very difficult road ahead.   

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16 hours ago, worldtraveller99 said:

If most people on the cruise chrism23 were able to be vaccinated during 2021, why wouldn't the cruise happen in 2022? Unless Manaus becomes a no go area, when they would change the itinerary?

Since visiting Manaus on an otherwise super South American cruise years ago it immediately became a never again Port of Call.Hope they change the itinerary and you enjoy a wonderful cruise.

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3 hours ago, brimary said:

Since visiting Manaus on an otherwise super South American cruise years ago it immediately became a never again Port of Call.Hope they change the itinerary and you enjoy a wonderful cruise.


Isn’t that the only way to get passengers in and out of the Amazon?

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There are other small ports but probably not geared up to take even small cruise ships.The sail up the Amazon was fascinating and scenic the only disappointment was disembarking at Manaus.

 

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I agree that touring in Manaus can be challenging, what with the heat and humidity and somewhat chaotic street life.  Nonetheless, the city itself has some fascinating buildings from the times of the rubber boom, not least the opera house.  And there are interesting tours up various tributaries departing from Manaus.

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Well. The overnight Covid news out of Europe this morning could be better ...

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/23/europe/europe-coronavirus-restrictions-wrap-intl-gbr/index.html

 

That, combined with another overnight figure of 70K+ new cases in the United States, tells me that we haven’t yet seen a reversal in the trend. In fact, it looks even more like the predictions of a coming surge were correct. Our three and seven day averages, here in South Florida have really trended upward once again.

 

RCL extended their deadline for “Lift & Shift” and use of “Future Cruise Credit”. I expect SS to do the same in the near future. The question I have is: “How far out to move planned cruises? Or, is it finally time to look at alternative vacations for a couple of years?” I have posted about this before, but I’d love to hear what other CC members are thinking.

 

Cheers, and stay safe.

 

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58 minutes ago, docruth said:

“How far out to move planned cruises? Or, is it finally time to look at alternative vacations for a couple of years?”

@docruth We personally have no intentions of traveling until 2022 at the earliest...but to be clear our family has underlying conditions and are overly skeptical of current conditions and the plans for corrections moving forward , that said .. if by a miracle things change before 2022 we may indeed choose to book a couple of getaway adventures just to get outside again!

But that is our position as of today.

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1 hour ago, docruth said:

Well. The overnight Covid news out of Europe this morning could be better ...

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/23/europe/europe-coronavirus-restrictions-wrap-intl-gbr/index.html

 

That, combined with another overnight figure of 70K+ new cases in the United States, tells me that we haven’t yet seen a reversal in the trend. In fact, it looks even more like the predictions of a coming surge were correct. Our three and seven day averages, here in South Florida have really trended upward once again.

 

RCL extended their deadline for “Lift & Shift” and use of “Future Cruise Credit”. I expect SS to do the same in the near future. The question I have is: “How far out to move planned cruises? Or, is it finally time to look at alternative vacations for a couple of years?” I have posted about this before, but I’d love to hear what other CC members are thinking.

 

Cheers, and stay safe.

 

Doc Ruth

Hi, I saw that this morning.........and we here in the states are not doing well either☹️.........cases continue to rise.......

over 70,000 yesterday.......and more than 1,000 deaths.  This is just bad for all of us, especially now that fall/winter

is coming.

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5 minutes ago, Lois R said:

and we here in the states are not doing well either☹️.........cases continue to rise.......

over 70,000 yesterday.......and more than 1,000 deaths. 

@Lois R and to all

Please try and Stay Safe .. Hunkerdown, wash your hands, Wear masks ... if we ALL act responsible we may just get through this.

Joseph

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1 hour ago, Observer said:

I agree that touring in Manaus can be challenging, what with the heat and humidity and somewhat chaotic street life.  Nonetheless, the city itself has some fascinating buildings from the times of the rubber boom, not least the opera house.  And there are interesting tours up various tributaries departing from Manaus.

 

Regarding chrism23 and the interests for sailing on the amazing Amazon River, 2022 is a long, long way off.  That's especially true during these current periods of great uncertainty.  My current guess/prediction would be that things should be mostly back to "normal" by 2022.    

 

While I can understand some of the negative comments and follow-ups, regarding Manaus, our experiences during our two and a half days there were very fascinating and positive.  On my live/blog, below, you can read many more details and see a wide range of visuals.  As proof or "evidence", just four of my visuals are shared at the bottom.  We saw and experienced much in the city, plus in the nearby areas.  PLUS, we did an Indiana-Jones-style exploring/adventure in the Amazon rainforest about 60 miles north of Manaus.  Happy on that live/blog to answer any and all additional questions.  The Amazon is not for everyone and can be viewed as "different".  We, however, found it to be a unique area on a river that so massive and different than anything we have ever done in the world.

 

From the Wall Street Journal this morning, they had this headline from a company press release: “Royal Caribbean Group to hold conference call on business update and third quarter financial results with these highlights: “Royal Caribbean Group has scheduled a conference call for 10:00 a.m. Eastern Time, Thursday, October 29, 2020, to provide a business update and discuss third quarter 2020 financial results. The call will be available on-line at the company's investor relations website, www.rclinvestor.com. To listen to the call by phone, please dial (877) 663-9606 in the US and Canada. International phone calls should be made to (706) 758-4628. There is no passcode or meeting number.”

 

Next week should reveal much as to if and when for the CDC to allow an early December cruise sailing  re-opening.  PLUS, to learn more for the progress as to Royal Caribbean future bookings and their cash-flow positioning, etc.  

 

Full story at:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/royal-caribbean-group-to-hold-conference-call-on-business-update-and-third-quarter-financial-results-01603403584?tesla=y

OR:

www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/royal-caribbean-group-to-hold-conference-call-on-business-update-and-third-quarter-financial-results-301158374.html

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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One of the key highlights for Manaus is their historic Opera House that has been livingly restored.  Very unique and interesting to see this architecture star in the middle of a distant jungle area!!:

(Open your screen/viewer wider to see these visuals larger/better!)

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For our "adventure" about 60 miles north of Manaus, here we were hiking in the rainforest in the style of "Indiana Jones".  Yes, a great and unique experience that we will never forget.  Second is inside of Manaus' fish market.  The markets and shops around in Manaus were fascinating!:

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