What is the Deal Breaker for you?

[WrittenOnYourHeart]

30 minutes ago, ECCruise said:

Even if there is one?

 

Thank you! I keep seeing people say "when"  regarding the vaccine, and while I'm an optimist, I'm also realistic enough to know that as changeable as this thing has been - and how scattered and seemingly random symptoms can be - that we could possibly NEVER see a vaccine.

 

I hope we DO, but I'm not pinning living the rest of my life on there being one.

Edited May 17, 2020 by WrittenOnYourHeart

[Pinboy]

32 minutes ago, Argo. said:

I seriously doubt that masks will be required by the time it is again safe to cruise...

Thy might be required when the Leafs hit the ice again -- Go Habs Go 

[Fouremco]

3 minutes ago, Pinboy said:

Thy might be required when the Leafs hit the ice again -- Go Habs Go 

And we're all ready!

 

[Miaminice]

2 hours ago, phoenix_dream said:

  That's how norovirus became known as the cruise ship illness - other venues like schools, hospitals, work places, nursing homes etc..  spread it just as hard and fast but they don't need to report their numbers.  So cruise ships are singled out as they DO need to report numbers.

Correct! Some interesting facts...

Noro on cruise ships starting from the US between 2008 and 2014 = 0.002%
Same time on land in the US: 6 %

 

[JT1962]

Anything that reduces the enjoyment and relaxation of being on a cruise is a deal breaker for us - wearing a mask, lining up for temperature checks often, long delays / health checks / restrictions getting off and back on at ports and when disembarking, long waits to get into dining and entertainment venues, pools / hot tubs closed, possibly getting quarantined on the ship, etc. That is why we have decided on land vacations in the US for the next year or two. There are lots of places we haven’t seen and hopefully cruising will be back to what we enjoy by then. If not, then we had a great 30 years cruising and will still enjoy traveling, just in a different way.

 

[NonnaTLC]

IMHO

This pandemic, just like 911, is going to change our "normal" forever.  I have no crystal ball, but I suspect there will be more hand sanitizing, no more buffets as we know them (no more serve yourself), and it will take longer to embark and disembark.  I forsee more distance everywhere, casinos, restaurants,  shows, etc.  I also believe that until there is a bona fide vaccine,  we will be subject to wearing masks, not to protect ourselves,  but to protect the general population against any virus we do not yet know we have because we are asymptotic. 

Yes, it will be different,  but life will go on, and we will have fun!

[Prost Seattle]

Cruising may not be the value proposition it once was.  I think the 3000 passenger ships may now be a lot less capacity, and with that, the cruise lines will be have to price accordingly.  But I think that’ll be true of many venues, not just cruising.  Airlines, casinos, beach resorts, shopping malls, everything.  Anything that has reduced capacity versus designed optimal occupancy will have price increases.  

[richard1s]

There is no reason to believe that once this is completely behind us, and it will be, that there will be any reason for people to be wearing masks or taking any other similar precautions on cruises, flights or any where else. This will be over and the world we once knew and is fresh in our mind will return as if this never happened. It would be a good thing if people were a little more considerate when coughing, sneezing, washing hands exiting the bathroom etc., but I wouldn't even count on that changing too much over the long term.

[NonnaTLC]

54 minutes ago, Cachecara said:

 

I would absolutely never trust this as being reliable.
If a person wants to cruise they will.  A little white lying will not hurt them. 
The deal breaker for us is having 3 past co-workers(nurses) die from this virus while caring for others with it.
The deal breaker being the lost of our neighbor and close friend of over 25 yrs who decided it would be ok to continue working when most of us were staying home.  He contracted, was on a vent for a month and then succumbed. 
The deal breaker will be a possible 2 week post cruise quarantine in our stateroom. 
Cruising will have to be modified and some course of treatment for us before we cruise again. 

As a nurse I could not agree more!  

[jelayne]

Deal breakers for us would be having to wear masks and if the elevators can't be used or have very long waits.  Going up more than 2 flights isn't good for a wonky hip.

[Pinboy]

10 minutes ago, Fouremco said:

And we're all ready!

LOL-- I can just see all your 7500 fans sitting there wearing masks.  

[tocruiseguy]

1 hour ago, yorky said:

Ha ha, because everyone on a flight let’s the crew know they are ill as they board the aircraft. I’m pretty sure I’ve picked up viruses at airports and on long haul flights that became apparent days later.

 

Same here, I fly (flew?) a lot for business and invariably I would get sick a few days after flying at least a couple of times a year.  Problem for the cruise industry is the airline industry's problems are tacked on.  For the cruise industry to recover, people will need to feel comfortable flying again as well. 

[Spif Barwunkel]

In keeping with the OP's original intent, is the issue more safety related or a matter of inconvenience? Is there a compromise, a middle ground where you could be persuaded to go ahead and get back on a boat? If so, does anyone have ideas or suggestions that would make a changed cruising experience enjoyable? Perhaps not for all, but for most of us. 

[Baron Barracuda]

My concern is even if a magic bullet were to emerge granting everyone instant immunity (no masks or testing required), cruising will still not be the same.  The cruise lines absorbed tremendous losses this year and when sailing resumes they will seek out every opportunity to raise revenue and cut costs.  Am personally willing to pay a bit more but my deal breaker is if LLP goes too far with service cutbacks.

[az_tchr]

1 hour ago, yorky said:

Personally I don’t believe the changes will be permanent. In my view when we have a vaccine things will slowly return to the way they were.

When that happens we will cruise again.  DW has asthma and fights blood pressure.  While we miss cruising, there are lots of other things to do.  Have cruises starting August of 2021.  Usually do 2 or 3 a year.  

I don't think it likely cruising will resume without a vaccine.  There is a significant risk both to people on board - crew and passengers - and financial risk to the cruise line.  Last spring - especially March demonstrated the risks.

[richard1s]

8 minutes ago, Baron Barracuda said:

my deal breaker is if LLP goes too far with service cutbacks.

Hey man, that started long before covid-19. When "Botex demonstrations" and "guess the art value" starting showing up as daily activities, I knew Celebrity customers were in trouble. 

[ipeeinthepool]

For me the deal breaker is if they close the pools.  They need to find a way to keep the pools open.  It's just not a cruise unless you can spend all day by and in the pool.

[OuiOnboard]

19 hours ago, az_tchr said:

I don't think it likely cruising will resume without a vaccine.  There is a significant risk both to people on board - crew and passengers - and financial risk to the cruise line.  Last spring - especially March demonstrated the risks.

Agreed. I think what Ben Franklin said might apply here: Experience is the best teacher, but a fool will learn from no other.

[Doubt It]

I and others are already planning vacations that do not include cruises. 

Many of my friends are doing road trips, I just bought a fabulous new vehicle and booked a wonderful house in Florida for February. Heading down to California to see friends then across to Florida.

 

People will get used to non cruise vacations and that likely will reduce cruise bookings. 

 

Not everyone is having cruise withdrawal, I my case the virus has confirmed my concerns about the declining value of cruising and its limited service area. 

[Bo1953]

For me, deal breaker are the bars and OVC....

 

I go to eat, drink and be entertained rather I get off the ship or not!! LOL

 

bon voyage

[Vagabond Knight]

The pool area is not a deal breaker for me as I rarely use it, but it does occupy a lot of people and keep other areas of the ship from being too crowded.  😄

 

It's hard to say what the deal breaker would be, as I think I'd want to take into account the entire picture... what's changed for the better (no more "sardine can" muster drills?) and what's potentially sucked some of the fun and spontaneity out of my vacation.  Some of it will depend upon the type of cruise and my cabin, honestly.  When we do a Caribbean cruise the cabin and its location is far less important, but since we tend to wander around the ship a lot between ports, occasionally eat at the outdoor restaurants, hang out at the outdoor bars, partake of a number of the planned activities and socialize, having those activities go away and having to wear masks everywhere and distance ourselves would definitely diminish the fun. 

 

Alaskan cruises are a "whole 'nother story."  We book the larger aft cabins on the back of the ship and practically live on our veranda the entire trip, taking in the gorgeous vistas and watching for wildlife in the water and on shore until late at night, thanks to the ridiculously long "daylight".   As of this moment, we have a cruisetour booked for August 2021.  We'll leave that on the books and decide what to do as it gets closer.  However, based on what we did on our two previous Alaska cruises, we could probably handle the cruise portion even with a lot of restrictions and a severe reduction in onboard activities.  I could picture us doing room service for our meals and only going out to grab drinks throughout the day (and donning masks to do that wouldn't be that big a deal), with the rest of the time spent out on the veranda.

[Threedrones]

I do not believe that changes when cruises reopen will become permanent. Cruising will return to normal sooner, rather than later. Masks will not be required clothing and service will not be diminished. The only lasting change I foresee might be the buffet, which might have been coming anyway. I think it will still exist, but with the passengers being served rather than serving themselves. Don’t forget, SARS pretty much died out without a vaccine ever being developed. All indications are that we will have a vaccine for covid19. Many countries are already returning to somewhat normal conditions even with never instituting the restrictions we have seen here in the US. Nobody can be forced to cruise. Therefore, the cruise lines will need to attract their clientele with the most desirable product. Studies have shown that human nature will only tolerate restrictions for a few months. That is borne out by the recent protests we are seeing throughout the country. Cruise lines need passengers to exist. They will have little choice but to return to normal operations.

 

 

 

 

[RickT]

23 hours ago, Pinboy said:

Thy might be required when the Leafs hit the ice again -- Go Habs Go 

 

[RickT]

I'm surprised at the number of people who list "masks" as a show stopper.  While I'm not a fan of masks I currently put one on when I need to do errands or run the risk of a social encounter.  Once cruising starts up again if that was the only requirement to adhere too I wouldn't think twice.

[Decpl]

We're booked for Alaska Cruise tour starting August 1st. Constant changes in Air fare and zero info from Celebrity on whats on the table with Mask issue, shows, dinning, Embarkation and disembarkation, plus flying home from Vancouver . Getting no where with our travel company which they reduced staff and working from home,  and less help from Celebrity. If no answers soon, with dispute with credit card company. With 70 days till we fly , its getting too stressful to deal with.