Would you cruise if Wearing a mask is mandatory?

[A&L_Ont]

5 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Kudos to those who wear their mask and adhere to the recommended social distancing.

 

Kudos to those who adhere to the recommended social distancing without a mask on. Just because one isn’t in a mask it doesn’t mean they are aren’t mindful of their fellow man.  
 

Poo-dos to those without a mask, that don’t adhere to social distancing.

[CRUISEFAN0001]

2 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:

Kudos to those who adhere to the recommended social distancing without a mask on. Just because one isn’t in a mask it doesn’t mean they are aren’t mindful of their fellow man.  
 

Poo-dos to those without a mask, that don’t adhere to social distancing.

The evidence disputes that claim. Both are needed to achieve an effective impact against Covid.  Band-Aid fixes never work against anything.

 

People can be part of the solution or part of the problem.

Edited May 28, 2020 by CRUISEFAN0001

[Bobal]

22 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

This response to the other post demonstrates the inaccurate urban legend mindset about Covid.  

 

I honestly do not have a clue what you mean by this sentence. However, as I stated, I live in the UK and take my scientific advice and follow the guidelines of my own country.

 

12 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:

Kudos to those who adhere to the recommended social distancing without a mask on. Just because one isn’t in a mask it doesn’t mean they are aren’t mindful of their fellow man.  
 

 

Thank you - and that is exactly what I have been doing.

[CRUISEFAN0001]

7 minutes ago, Bobal said:

 

I honestly do not have a clue what you mean by this sentence. However, as I stated, I live in the UK and take my scientific advice and follow the guidelines of my own country.

Having heard many uninformed people firsthand (in person) try to justify why there is no need for preventive measures on their part for Covid, it's encouraging that you and others are choosing to be part of the solution. Nice.

[A&L_Ont]

10 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

The evidence disputes that claim. Both are needed to achieve an effective impact against Covid.  Band-Aid fixes never work against anything.

 

People can be part of the solution or part of the problem.

I wear my mask as needed and am mindful of my fellow man. I am part of the solution. If someone wants to ride their mask in the country, near no one it is their determination. They are part of the solution.
 

People standing shoulder to shoulder are not. 
 

 

[Bobal]

2 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Having heard many uninformed people firsthand (in person) try to justify why there is no need for preventive measures on their part for Covid, it's encouraging that you and others are choosing to be part of the solution. Nice.

 

Ah now, you appear to be picking and choosing and making judgements based on your own agenda. I notice you omitted to quote the other part of my post where I said I had been complying with social distancing. You know nothing about my circumstances or the pretty restrictive measures I have taken over the last few months since lockdown started in the UK. I could set them out but I really don't feel the need to justify my actions to an anonymous person on a message board with their own agenda.

 

I choose to be part of my country's solution - I have complied with all the rules and wearing masks is not one of those rules. If you choose not to like that well tough, you just have to accept that just because you state something and quote things doesn't make it fact, just provides a way to back up your own thoughts. I could easily find something to contradict your view but there are enough keyboard warriors and newly qualified experts on here without adding to the hoohaw.

[hazence]

What amazes me is how easily the Mask advocates have exonerated those who “fibbed” to us (supposedly) as the pandemic was peaking.  
 

Suppose a cruise ship was sinking and the Captain announced that no one really needed a life jacket because it was scientifically proven that they were actually not helpful to survival in the water..... and that you could tread water easily enough for hours without one. 
 

Then later, after many lives were lost, explained...oh gee...I just wanted to be sure I had enough jackets for the crew that man the life boats! 
 

Would you all really say...no problem! Thank you, Great Captain...and we surely believe you now! 

 

This excuse does not mitigate the fact that if Fauci and his other scientific experts truly believed that masks were an effective preventive...they should have rallied people to begin sewing them or buying bandanas IMMEDIATELY!  
 

Fauci should have advised nursing homes to mask their mobile residents IMMEDIATELY! Mask the prisoners....don’t release them!
 

That would have been a moral obligation to save these lives...that some think these masks are saving.
 

But I believe they told the truth then. I believe they did not allow the virus to peak and thousands to die unnecessarily. But the scientists are now trying to effect a balance between the fear porn media pushing horror stories and the actual harms to our health by people afraid to get their chemo, their checkups, suicides, etc.

 

If masks give a sense of security that’s a tiny fib....denying their effectiveness as a pandemic peaks...that’s a OUTRAGE! 

 

[CRUISEFAN0001]

10 minutes ago, Bobal said:

I choose to be part of my country's solution - I have complied with all the rules and wearing masks is not one of those rules. 

OK...you didn't read the CDC, WHO, or other directives, nor the article in the previously-referenced post...otherwise you'd know masks ARE part of the recommended measures to address the spread of Covid 19.

 

Good luck.

[Biker19]

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[CRUISEFAN0001]

1 minute ago, hazence said:

If masks give a sense of security that’s a tiny fib....denying their effectiveness as a pandemic peaks...that’s a OUTRAGE! 

Pathetically there are still others who are in denial.

 

Glad for those who seek to be part of the solution.

[hazence]

12 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Pathetically there are still others who are in denial.

 

Glad for those who seek to be part of the solution.

Fauci and his experts were “in denial” as the virus was peaking. But you don’t seem to care about what that “expert denial”  would mean in lives lost...if your viewpoint was correct.
 

Look...enjoy your mask. In many areas, numbers are dropping and masks have just never caught on.  That’s a reality you refuse to acknowledge.

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by hazence

[Chadr135]

I wear a mask in public right now because I think it's sensible. With that being said, I am not going to pay for a vacation where I need to wear a mask for a good portion of the trip. I'll simply wait to cruise again until it is safe and healthy to do so without a mask.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Chadr135

[CRUISEFAN0001]

How you came up with that conclusion is beyond comprehension...

[Chadr135]

10 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

How you came up with that conclusion is beyond comprehension...

 

Wearing a mask isn't a vacation to me, pretty simple. 🙂 

[bouhunter]

10 minutes ago, Chadr135 said:

I wear a mask in public right now because I think it's sensible. With that being said, I am not going to pay for a vacation where I need to wear a mask for a good portion of the trip. I'll simply wait to cruise again until it is safe and healthy to do so without a mask.

We agree.  If the cruise lines require masks, we'll happily stay away for as long as that is required.

[Chadr135]

2 minutes ago, bouhunter said:

We agree.  If the cruise lines require masks, we'll happily stay away for as long as that is required.

 

Exactly...I'm not spending thousands of dollars to wear a mask. We canceled this summer's cruise for a beach house instead...We did book Oasis for July of 2021, fingers crossed things get sorted by then! 🙂

[hazence]

14 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

How you came up with that conclusion is beyond comprehension...

 

Years ago, there was a hilarious Geritol commercial. An older couple was sitting on a bench by a river. A blanket covered their legs as they sat sedately looking at the river below.  Suddenly, happy shouts and waves...there were friends their age...white-water rafting down the river...having the time of their lives! 
 

This pandemic is not going to force me to sit on a bench, masked...as the rest of my life goes by. I will take precautions as I deem necessary for where I am. But Mr H and I will not live in fear...head spinning while “experts” change their “predictions“ “advice” and opinions  daily.
 

If cruises require me to sit in a deck chair, masked...six feet from others...I will just “Cruise” on our lake and enjoy every day.
 

If the Cruise industry is paying attention, they will see that there are not enough safeguards known to science to placate the fear of certain people. So why alienate those ready to cruise by trying to get terrified individuals on board? Make some sensible changes, with a light hand...and we can wave to the fearful as the ship pulls away.

[Chadr135]

2 minutes ago, hazence said:

 

Years ago, there was a hilarious Geritol commercial. An older couple was sitting on a bench by a river. A blanket covered their legs as they sat sedately looking at the river below.  Suddenly, happy shouts and waves...there were friends their age...white-water rafting down the river...having the time of their lives! 
 

This pandemic is not going to force me to sit on a bench, masked...as the rest of my life goes by. I will take precautions as I deem necessary for where I am. But Mr H and I will not live in fear...head spinning while “experts” change their “predictions“ “advice” and opinions  daily.
 

If cruises require me to sit in a deck chair, masked...six feet from others...I will just “Cruise” on our lake and enjoy every day.
 

If the Cruise industry is paying attention, they will see that there are not enough safeguards known to science to placate the fear of certain people. So why alienate those ready to cruise by trying to get terrified individuals on board? Make some sensible changes, with a light hand...and we can wave to the fearful as the ship pulls away.

 

If they are trying to get terrified people on board, they certainly aren't doing it with cheap rates! 😂 

 

There are certainly a group of people that will cruise no matter what, I doubt they are making changes for that segment of their customers. I would assume they're more concerned about losing the families that simply choose to vacation and enjoy their families in a different way other than on a cruise ship.

[Milwaukee Eight]

2 hours ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Folks need to actually read the details in the linked article in Post #336 - the misinterpretations and lack of understanding about masks is approaching staggering in this thread. 

First, we wear a mask when out and about as much as possible. Don’t wear it in the car or while riding on our motorcycles. If we are outdoors, we only wear them if we can’t maintain social distancing. We wear them as much as possible indoors. 
 

Having said that, I’m not sure I trust the source of the article. To me it’s suspicious, much  like the anti mask article often quoted here  from “China”. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Milwaukee Eight

[Roger88]

I dont see any problem cruising with a mask aside from it being very on comfortable, especially for those who enjoy the sea breeze in the morning and who love to breath a clean air while in the sea. In general its not really an issue saying that every cruiser company will have this policy. But, if there is a company where masks are not mandatory then I would rather go with the, than with those where masks are mandatory 

[Dinglebert]

1 hour ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

OK...you didn't read the CDC, WHO, or other directives, nor the article in the previously-referenced post...otherwise you'd know masks ARE part of the recommended measures to address the spread of Covid 19.

 

Good luck.

My role is to follow the guidelines issued by my Government.  Their role is to look at the scientific evidence and reports available and get a pathway out of this while keeping people safe in as far as they can.  Each countries guidelines may be different because of the nature of the illness within that country, the way the country is structured, the demograthics of any area, the population densitity.  So far I trust my Government advice.  I believe they have made mistakes at points, the Nike conference being one but thats for another day.  The Scottish Government have diffferent advice to the English one as our pathways have been slightly different.  That is OK although for me near the Border it could have caused issues but I have not allowed it to.

 

Freeing us up from our lockdown will cause deaths.  That is enivitable, however keeping us in our current situation will also cause needless deaths.   People are not attending their GP's and A+E with symptoms as they are too afraid of the virus.  The hospitals meantime where I work are in part sitting empty as we need to restart elective surgery etc.  The number of cancer deaths is likely to rocket as people did not come forward when they could have.

 

There is not a single rule for all.  The truth is that if we do not get a vaccinne and that is a distinct possability then we only one hope and one reality.  We would need to hope that the virus weakens or the reality would be that herd immunity was the only choice and that will again cause many more deaths.

 

 

[CRUISEFAN0001]

20 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

First, we wear a mask when out and about as much as possible. Don’t wear it in the car or while riding on our motorcycles. If we are outdoors, we only wear them if we can’t maintain social distancing. We wear them as much as possible indoors. 

Great!  Now if only those in denial would adopt such practices...this whole thing would diminish even quicker. 

[CRUISEFAN0001]

11 minutes ago, Dinglebert said:

Freeing us up from our lockdown will cause deaths. 

That would seem to apply only if some don't follow protective measures...otherwise the evidence is that where such guidance has been followed...the results have been significantly better (Australia/New Zealand for example).

 

People can't "kinda" follow the safety measures to achieve large reductions in risk no more than a female being "kinda" pregnant. It's for that very reason those folks refusing to comply (knowingly) are part of the problem and not the solution.

[Dinglebert]

Just now, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

That would seem to apply only if some don't follow protective measures...otherwise the evidence is that where such guidance has been followed...the results have been significantly better (Australia/New Zealand for example).

 

 

You are missing my point as usual.  As part of freeing up our current rules more people will die even if people follow the guidelines as happened in Australia and New Zealand.  The deaths don't just stop.  The obvious example are intensive care units.  There staff have far more protective equipment rightly than the person in the street but yet they still contract the virus.  That is because no system is perfect they  have faults and human errors.   As part of freeing up we will come across more people than we do now.  Thats the point of freeing us up.  Even if everyone follows the rules there will still be more deaths from the virus than if we didn't free up.  There comes a point however that the deaths by not freeing up from other causes outweighs the risk of freeing up.

[hazence]

5 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

That would seem to apply only if some don't follow protective measures...otherwise the evidence is that where such guidance has been followed...the results have been significantly better (Australia/New Zealand for example).

 

People can't "kinda" follow the safety measures to achieve large reductions in risk no more than a female being "kinda" pregnant. It's for that very reason those folks refusing to comply (knowingly) are part of the problem and not the solution.

How do you explain the “problem” improving...or continuing to be non existent...without your mask solution?