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1 hour ago, Butterbean1000 said:

Just for arguments sake, if you got the vaccine, why would you be in harms way by others that didn't get the vaccine?

Measles outbreak. Please look that one up. Thanks.

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Will the cruiseline? I don't know. Maybe. I wouldn't be upset if they did.

 

Will other countries require one if visiting which would put the burden of each cruiseline verifying prior to allowing you to board the ship? That's a whole new question.

How would you prove it? The yellow International Vaccine document that you can get from a travel physician like you have to carry in areas that require Yellow Fever vaccinations.

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21 minutes ago, fyree39 said:

Measles outbreak. Please look that one up. Thanks.

Did people who were vaccinated get the measles or just the people who weren't vaccinated?  I'm not trying to be a smart "you know what", I am asking a question. 

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2 hours ago, Butterbean1000 said:

Just for arguments sake, if you got the vaccine, why would you be in harms way by others that didn't get the vaccine?

 

The people in the health system would have to take care of, and be overburdened by them.  I would be OK.

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4 hours ago, jean87510 said:

Actually, and I dont want to panic anyone, the MMR vaccine can wear off as can Hepatitis B. My husband had to get a booster for MMR and my daughter who is 18 has to get the Hep B series for college. Both had had routine physicals where the doctor ordered a test to check. Its not the end of the world but your next appointment, ask your dr. 

I am a nurse so Im used to TB testing and the flu shot. To me this is just another needle.

 

I know Hep B can wear off - I have had the vaccine series more than once and after a while blood tests tell me I have zero immunity.

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4 hours ago, jean87510 said:

Actually, and I dont want to panic anyone, the MMR vaccine can wear off as can Hepatitis B. My husband had to get a booster for MMR and my daughter who is 18 has to get the Hep B series for college. Both had had routine physicals where the doctor ordered a test to check. Its not the end of the world but your next appointment, ask your dr. 

I am a nurse so Im used to TB testing and the flu shot. To me this is just another needle.

I, too, am a nurse (retired), and had to have my TB test done annually, and I’ve had my Hep B, And tetanus booster done. As for MMR, I’ve never had to have one, as I fall into that age group that is that old, and I guess due to herd immunity, we do not need it. I receive the Extra strength flu shot annually, for seniors over age 65, have had my pneumovax and Prevnair13 for pneumonia, along my shingles vaccine.  I’m definitely not afraid of another needle and will gladly get a vaccine for COVID, and have no problem showing proof of immunization to board a ship. 

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5 hours ago, Earthworm Jim said:

 

I don't know about 100%, and I certainly don't know anything about the vaccines under development, but many vaccines for diseases spread by viruses are highly effective. Polio, measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, you get a shot once and then you never worry about it again. Coronavirus could be more like those diseases than the flu, for which a shot is only partially effective. We will see eventually I guess.

As long as COVID does not mutate again (it mutated once it came to USA, is what I heard, but has not since spreading across the country), I have every hope it will indeed work the same as a small pox, polio, and other long lasting immunizations. 

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2 hours ago, Butterbean1000 said:

Did people who were vaccinated get the measles or just the people who weren't vaccinated?  I'm not trying to be a smart "you know what", I am asking a question. 

I'm asking you to look it up. I'm also not being a smart alec, but it's too detailed for a post on a cruising board. Polio might be another good one to look up. Please do.

 

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I googled smallpox and rinderpest, two infectious diseases caused by viral strains. Both are considered the only two diseases eradicated by WHO.  Very interesting info! 

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13 minutes ago, fyree39 said:

I'm asking you to look it up. I'm also not being a smart alec, but it's too detailed for a post on a cruising board. Polio might be another good one to look up. Please 

2 hours ago, fyree39 said:

Measles outbreak. Please look that one up. Thanks.

Happened because 1. Anti-vaccine people (religious or personal) didn't get kids vaccinated, 2. Illegals were not checked for vaccinations (if through border, they are checked via titers and given whats missing, 3. Some vaccines wear off. I work as a nurse who checks this for schools.  

 

I will get the vaccine. I got the Hep A vaccine series after the 2017 hurricanes. I was nervous about picking something up. 

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Lord I hope not!  I refuse to get a vaccine that has been rushed into production without the proper testing period - I will wait and let all of you rush to get it first and let you guys be the "test subjects".  If after a reasonable amount of time has passed and they work out the kinks / side effects - I will consider getting it.

 

It will have to be an EFFECTIVE vaccine though - not like the flu shot that has a 50% or so rate. I know way too many people that have gotten their flu shots religiously and still gotten the flu (some of them VERY bad cases that required hospitalization...  so don't tell me "it made the symptoms less because they got the shot").  One of my close friends (who has always gotten her flu shot) had the flu three times in a row within a 2 month period!!  She no longer gets the shot as she no longer believes in it's effectiveness after that.

 

please feel free to argue with me about the flu shot - you'll be wasting your breathe though, as it won't change my opinion of it.  (I've seen statistics, I've seen many arguments in favor of it... I've also seen many against it. Confirmation Bias - anyone can look up stuff on the internet and find an article that supports their theory or way of thinking.)

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1 hour ago, ninjacat123 said:

I googled smallpox and rinderpest, two infectious diseases caused by viral strains. Both are considered the only two diseases eradicated by WHO.  Very interesting info! 

Yup

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7 hours ago, jean87510 said:

Actually, and I dont want to panic anyone, the MMR vaccine can wear off as can Hepatitis B. My husband had to get a booster for MMR and my daughter who is 18 has to get the Hep B series for college. Both had had routine physicals where the doctor ordered a test to check. Its not the end of the world but your next appointment, ask your dr. 

I am a nurse so Im used to TB testing and the flu shot. To me this is just another needle.

Adding to this, dialyisis patients and staff get tested every year for the hepatitis antibody.  Below 10, and they get the vaccine series again ( 3 injections).  Another antibody titer is taken, if still below 10, one more injection is given.  If still below 10, record is marked and no further boosters are given.  Same thing with MMR and meningitis vaccines.  Military get them routinely.  My son ( WP grad) had the entire gamut upon entrance to WP, and again at his first active duty station.  

 

Point being, that when a vaccine is perfected, chances are it will have to be taken more than once in one's lifetime.

I am also a nurse,/dialysis nurse and am prior military.  I get the flu shot EVERY year and the pneumonia vaccine every 5 years.  I also get tested yearly for TB, hepatitis and am swabbed for MRSA.  One gets used to it and it keeps everyone safer.

 

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30 minutes ago, angelsfort said:

Lord I hope not!  I refuse to get a vaccine that has been rushed into production without the proper testing period

 

 

The CDC will not release a vaccine unless it's approved and test. Specialist and scientists say 12-18 months. 

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34 minutes ago, angelsfort said:

Lord I hope not!  I refuse to get a vaccine that has been rushed into production without the proper testing period - I will wait and let all of you rush to get it first and let you guys be the "test subjects".  If after a reasonable amount of time has passed and they work out the kinks / side effects - I will consider getting it.

 

It will have to be an EFFECTIVE vaccine though - not like the flu shot that has a 50% or so rate. I know way too many people that have gotten their flu shots religiously and still gotten the flu (some of them VERY bad cases that required hospitalization...  so don't tell me "it made the symptoms less because they got the shot").  One of my close friends (who has always gotten her flu shot) had the flu three times in a row within a 2 month period!!  She no longer gets the shot as she no longer believes in it's effectiveness after that.

 

please feel free to argue with me about the flu shot - you'll be wasting your breathe though, as it won't change my opinion of it.  (I've seen statistics, I've seen many arguments in favor of it... I've also seen many against it. Confirmation Bias - anyone can look up stuff on the internet and find an article that supports their theory or way of thinking.)

 

 

OTOH I get flu shots every year and have not had the flu in 5 years, might be lucky

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Just now, coevan said:

 

 

OTOH I get flu shots every year and have not had the flu in 5 years, might be lucky

 

I also have not had the flu in quite a few years - and I have NEVER gotten the flu shot.   So it seems like it's LUCK for both of us.

 

I also wash my hands before I eat - I don't touch things that I don't need to - if I'm in a line where the person in front of me is coughing / sneezing, I step back and keep my distance.  If the coughing/sneezer is behind me, I let them go in front of me and then I step back from them! 

 

I'd love to see some statistics on this, actually.   A comparison of how many have gotten the flu when they've gotten the flu shot vs the number of folks who've gotten the flu and not gotten the flu shot.  

 

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Assuming a Covid-19 vaccine becomes available, (which is by no means a certainty) do you think Carnival might require proof of vaccination to permit you to board? It would make a lot of sense from their liability standpoint. Having an coronavirus outbreak onboard is their worst case scenario. But there are a lot of those anti-vax people around and no doubt some of them are cruisers. They would not be happy about such a development.

When it is finally developed and issued I would expect it to be mandatory for a while , 2-3 years till the infection blows over and out of the headlines. But if it surges each winter as some expect like the normal flu it could go on for some years. It’s like the over 70 fitness for travel letter that was talked about and the form was designed. The cruise lines don’t want another year like this one ever again. If some don’t want to vaccinate I’m sure the cruise lines will say good bye with a smile.


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1 hour ago, bafinegan said:

Adding to this, dialyisis patients and staff get tested every year for the hepatitis antibody.  Below 10, and they get the vaccine series again ( 3 injections).  Another antibody titer is taken, if still below 10, one more injection is given.  If still below 10, record is marked and no further boosters are given.  Same thing with MMR and meningitis vaccines.  Military get them routinely.  My son ( WP grad) had the entire gamut upon entrance to WP, and again at his first active duty station.  

 

Point being, that when a vaccine is perfected, chances are it will have to be taken more than once in one's lifetime.

I am also a nurse,/dialysis nurse and am prior military.  I get the flu shot EVERY year and the pneumonia vaccine every 5 years.  I also get tested yearly for TB, hepatitis and am swabbed for MRSA.  One gets used to it and it keeps everyone safer.

 

baf

It would be nice if all GP and healthcare in general would share this. I like your regimen! You have to be this diligent with your patients. Ty for doing this. My dad had dialysis when he was alive and I am glad to read this.

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6 hours ago, grandmarnnurse said:

 I’m definitely not afraid of another needle and will gladly get a vaccine for COVID, and have no problem showing proof of immunization to board a ship. 

same here.  Although it has a tiny bit of “1984” vibe to it, it’s worlds better than having to wear a mask everywhere.

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6 hours ago, grandmarnnurse said:

As long as COVID does not mutate again (it mutated once it came to USA, is what I heard, but has not since spreading across the country), I have every hope it will indeed work the same as a small pox, polio, and other long lasting immunizations. 

 

Viruses mutate. It is what they do. Many are of no consequence. Some are more dangerous, some less. Occasionally a virus may mutate itself out of existence (allegedly), but hoping for a miracle should never be plan A.

 

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17 hours ago, angelsfort said:

Lord I hope not!  I refuse to get a vaccine that has been rushed into production without the proper testing period - I will wait and let all of you rush to get it first and let you guys be the "test subjects".  If after a reasonable amount of time has passed and they work out the kinks / side effects - I will consider getting it.

 

It will have to be an EFFECTIVE vaccine though - not like the flu shot that has a 50% or so rate. I know way too many people that have gotten their flu shots religiously and still gotten the flu (some of them VERY bad cases that required hospitalization...  so don't tell me "it made the symptoms less because they got the shot").  One of my close friends (who has always gotten her flu shot) had the flu three times in a row within a 2 month period!!  She no longer gets the shot as she no longer believes in it's effectiveness after that.

 

please feel free to argue with me about the flu shot - you'll be wasting your breathe though, as it won't change my opinion of it.  (I've seen statistics, I've seen many arguments in favor of it... I've also seen many against it. Confirmation Bias - anyone can look up stuff on the internet and find an article that supports their theory or way of thinking.)

 

I look at the flu shot as one level of protection. Staying healthy and not getting sick is a product of many levels of protection. This includes hand washing, avoiding touching commonly touched surfaces as much as possible, getting enough sleep, eating healthy, exercise, etc. I do think that if you are doing all of those things your body is primed to fight off a disease and a flu shot is simply part of the package. I don't think the flu shot is a good substitute for those other things. If you friend is getting sick that often and isn't immune compromised, I would suggest she talk to her doctor about lifestyle choices that could help her avoid illness. I found that I used to sick with a cold every winter - and one of the things I did was went to a gym. Since I stopped going to a gym I have been sick once in like 4 or 5 years. 

 

16 hours ago, coevan said:

 

 

The CDC will not release a vaccine unless it's approved and test. Specialist and scientists say 12-18 months. 

 

I believe it's the FDA that approves drugs that can be used in America, not the CDC. I have heard many scientists and specialists say 12-18 months. I've also seen a news article that one company thinks they can produce a vaccine by October. It will be interesting to see if the FDA approves it. But when every other scientist/doctor is quoting 12-18 months as a best case scenario, if one company was able to produce a vaccine in 6 months, I will be suspicious of how well it was tested. My concern is that politics will lean on the FDA to approve something that hasn't met the same standard of testing that it normally would. 

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Well if they require corona virus Vax, don't look for cruises to open in Aug. LOL! 

Why would they start announcing cruises this early if they were going to require Vax?

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2 hours ago, Radiioman46 said:

Well if they require corona virus Vax, don't look for cruises to open in Aug. LOL! 

Why would they start announcing cruises this early if they were going to require Vax?

 

I believe they announced restart dates in May and June also....

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