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I'm 74 now and I seem to recall that when I went to Europe when I was in college, you needed to have the smallpox vaccination. I think you needed it to re-enter the USA. Once a vaccine baecomes widely available, I would not be surprised to see a bunch of countries having a similar requirement for current Covid 19 vaccinations.

 

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7 hours ago, virginiab said:

I'm 74 now and I seem to recall that when I went to Europe when I was in college, you needed to have the smallpox vaccination. I think you needed it to re-enter the USA. Once a vaccine baecomes widely available, I would not be surprised to see a bunch of countries having a similar requirement for current Covid 19 vaccinations.

 

There are probably different  strains of COVID-19 out there just like there are different strains of the flu. If you get the COVID-9 in the U.S you may  have an immunization card . So you are correct , most immunizations are needed to get back in to the U, S if there is a outbreak in a  foreign country, Some diseases once you get it you are immune, like measles.    

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I just read an article about Bahamas requiring testing before you can enter their country. I wonder if ports will require it to enter their country. 

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2 hours ago, Julienatul said:

I just read an article about Bahamas requiring testing before you can enter their country. I wonder if ports will require it to enter their country. 

 

I can't imagine it.  You'd need a reliable test that can be administered quickly, a lab on site, and results within 15 minutes.  It looks like too much effort (and possibly cost) for a day stop.

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On 5/22/2020 at 4:18 PM, Earthworm Jim said:

 

It'll blow over assuming the vast majority of people get vaccinated. Which they probably will.

 

Or maybe my guess is widely off base:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-half-americans-would-get/

 

(Link summary: Only half of Americans say they would get a coronavirus vaccination)

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On 5/26/2020 at 7:08 PM, linz98144 said:

They don't require any vaccines to cruise, can't imagine that would change now. 

Too many logistics. Cost as well as availability. When and if a vaccine is found, it isn't going to be passed out to everyone worldwide in a 24 hour period. It wouldn't be right to refuse boarding to someone because the vaccine wasn't yet available in their country. 

This is absolutely NOT true. It depends on where the cruise is visiting. 

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48 minutes ago, fyree39 said:

This is absolutely NOT true. It depends on where the cruise is visiting. 

Interesting theory. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. 

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1 hour ago, fyree39 said:

This is absolutely NOT true. It depends on where the cruise is visiting. 

I am not aware of ANY destination in ANY of Carnival's itineraries, fleetwide, sailing from the U.S. that requires proof of vaccinations. Are there any?  That wasn't wordered well was it? :classic_laugh:  :classic_huh:

 

To put it another way, what country does Carnival visit( that originates from the U.S) that requires proof of vaccinations?

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2 hours ago, Joe817 said:

I am not aware of ANY destination in ANY of Carnival's itineraries, fleetwide, sailing from the U.S. that requires proof of vaccinations. Are there any?  That wasn't wordered well was it? :classic_laugh:  :classic_huh:

 

To put it another way, what country does Carnival visit( that originates from the U.S) that requires proof of vaccinations?

 

Trick question? Carnival isn't cruising now.

 

Carnival Splendor has sailed around South America a couple of times.

 

For general vaccine information

https://www.cruisecritic.com/articles.cfm?ID=4652

 

It seems most cruise line say it is up to the cruiser to determine. For example:

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/what-vaccines-are-required-to-travel-on-a-cruise

 

 

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Assuming a Covid-19 vaccine becomes available, (which is by no means a certainty) do you think Carnival might require proof of vaccination to permit you to board? It would make a lot of sense from their liability standpoint. Having an coronavirus outbreak onboard is their worst case scenario. But there are a lot of those anti-vax people around and no doubt some of them are cruisers. They would not be happy about such a development.

I just read an article , I believe on Bloomberg News that a study was done and 50% of people would not get the Covid-19 vaccine if available. Amazing, here we are all anxiously awaiting one and half the people out there will not take. Now that’s the advantage of overseas countries, they mandate it!!


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13 minutes ago, Dwight1 said:


I just read an article , I believe on Bloomberg News that a study was done and 50% of people would not get the Covid-19 vaccine if available. Amazing, here we are all anxiously awaiting one and half the people out there will not take. Now that’s the advantage of overseas countries, they mandate it!!


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I believe the article I saw said 50% would get the vaccine and 30% were undecided. 20% were saying no. I imagine the numbers are fluid depending on the effectiveness and safety of the vaccine.

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The percentages for the COVID vaccine might be comparable to the yearly flu vaccine.  Here is a CDC posting:

www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/coverage-1819...

Sep 26, 2019 · It is reassuring that the increase in BRFSS estimates for the 2018–19 season are consistent with other sources: projected coverage for 2018–19 from NHIS indicates a possible increase compared to prior seasons for adults and coverage estimates for flu vaccinations received through mid-November from the National Internet Flu Survey showed a 6.4 percentage point increase from the 2017–18 season (38.6%) to the 2018–19 season (44.9%).

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23 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

I believe the article I saw said 50% would get the vaccine and 30% were undecided. 20% were saying no. I imagine the numbers are fluid depending on the effectiveness and safety of the vaccine.

Hopefully, it will at least give us some protection. I know that even if I get influenza after receiving the immunization in the Fall, it will be less severe than if I had never received the immunization. It does offer some protection. I caught influenza on debarkation day on a cruise in 2018 after receiving the shot in the Fall, but I’d bet I would have been sicker if I had never gotten it. I now get the extra strength one for seniors, and have good luck with that. Praying the vaccine for COVID offers good protection.

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Well Europe are starting to open borders to other Europeans with Italy first on 3rd June and Spain last on 1st July and none of them have mentioned anything about any vaccine as there isn't one anyway. TOurism makes up a large part of GDP for Greece, Spain, Italy, Malta and some others so they are keen to get country up & running.

 

doubdful they will allow non Europeans in until later in summer.

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I sure hope so as we have Swiss air tickets for 7/14 and at this point they are not budging. We really do not want to go Europe yet and hope they will let us reschedule. If Swiss air cancels we will be in much better shape

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There has never been a successful vaccine for a human coronavirus. Not SARS, MERS, or the common freaking cold. If one were to magically develop, it would likely have the same efficacy rate of flu vaccines (under 40%). So what would be the point of requiring passengers to be vaccinated? 

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On 5/24/2020 at 3:30 PM, coevan said:

 

 

OTOH I get flu shots every year and have not had the flu in 5 years, might be lucky

OTOH, I haven’t had a flu shot in decades and haven’t had the flu in that time either (even when my husband had a diagnosed case). 🤷🏻‍♀️

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I've never had the flu, but still get the flu shot every year.  It's common sense to me to get a vaccination to protect myself from viruses.  If a seatbelt protected me in only 40% of accidents, I would still wear a seat belt.  It's up to each person to protect themselves in the way they see fit.  People die from the flu every year and I wonder how many of those people didn't believe in flu shots.  Their decision though.  It makes no difference to me.  I believe strongly in personal responsibility and won't depend on other people to keep me healthy.

If a covid-19 vaccine becomes available, I will get it too and just add it the the list of vaccinations I previously got like annual flu shots, shingles shots, and Hep A. If the cruise lines ever require the vaccination, which I do not think they ever will, I will have no issue with it.

 

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1 hour ago, StillPooh said:

 So what would be the point of requiring passengers to be vaccinated? 

 

For the same reason healthcare workers and those who work in the healthcare field are required to get their annual flu shots.

40% effective is better than none. Nothing is 100%. Medroxyprogesterone is a better option than withdrawal method.

Even abstinence isn't 100% effective. Ask Mary.

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8 hours ago, TNcruising02 said:

 People die from the flu every year and I wonder how many of those people didn't believe in flu shots.  Their decision though. 
 

 

there are also people that die from the flu that DID get their flu shots...   and that certainly wasn't their decision!

 

as I said in an earlier post, I have a friend who has gotten the flu shot every year and she ended up getting the flu multiple times in a relatively short period of time, one of those times required hospitalization because it was so severe.  She was just lucky enough to live in an area with a flu strain that wasn't protected by that years shot...    she no longer gets the flu shot every year because she doesn't believe in their effectiveness.

 

 

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I have a friend who had a friend sounds like the most intelligent decision making process I’ve ever heard.

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I'm one of the people who gets the flu shot every year and STILL get the flu about half the time. And not just a mild case, but the kind that makes you feel like you've been run over by a bus. If (big if) they manage to come up with a vaccine for COVID-19, I doubt I will get it for the first couple of years, just to see if there are any significant side effects and give them time to work the kinks out.  

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