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Maybe it would best if Chris just gives us a timeline as to when the 1st cruise was scheduled to go off based on the day he leaves the UK.

I'm sure he would know that, just how long the crew would need to get up and running again...........I'm sure it's more then 45 days , since you are now saying 6 weeks, not 30 days.

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1 hour ago, Heymarco said:

 

I respectfully disagree. Normal training is expected to be done after boarding in addition to working normal shifts. It could easily fit in a shorter amount of time. 30 days is plenty of time for additional cross training and ship prep for a casino host. With other sailings we have not seen crew coming back that early. They may bump to 6 weeks to allow for two week quarantine after boarding but that’s it. 

They may have allowed extra time to quarantine.

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26 minutes ago, ROYAL CARIBBEAN DUDE said:

Everyone is making good points here.

 

What's your take on Marc Walker's FB posts hinting Harmony was headed to UK?

 

They're gone now. Assumption is Royal had them removed. Does Royal direct you on what you can share🤔

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29 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

That's just some ridiculous stuff.  Treating the crew like prisoners.

 

Rules set by folks that haven't a clue as to the work environment on a cruise ship. Lots of cabins will need to be held out for crew when there is a mass crew change - RCCL will need to stagger contracts to prevent large turnovers.

 

The "prisoner" label sounds just about right.................I wonder how the "rules" will effect cruise lines ability to hire crew. AD: Come and work on a cruise ship - long hours - 7 days a week for length of the contract - personal time mainly restricted to your crowded cabin - extremely limited personal contact - recreation or gym facilities may not be available. Come and join our team on the high seas and see the world from an optional port hole!!!!!

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1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

That's just some ridiculous stuff.  Treating the crew like prisoners.

I agree with this comment and hope Royal will not accept that kind of treatment to our beloved crew members! Those are truly ridiculous requirements, especially when everyone on the ship has to be vaccinated. 

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3 hours ago, Vera/Lee said:

I agree with this comment and hope Royal will not accept that kind of treatment to our beloved crew members! Those are truly ridiculous requirements, especially when everyone on the ship has to be vaccinated. 

You think Royal will have a choice, follow the rules or don't sail. Simple as that.

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3 hours ago, Vera/Lee said:

I agree with this comment and hope Royal will not accept that kind of treatment to our beloved crew members! Those are truly ridiculous requirements, especially when everyone on the ship has to be vaccinated. 

 

Well I'm glad that putting the crew in crowded cages with a "space blanket" wasn't a requirement.

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Maybe I misunderstood, but he kept talking about the color status.  I can understand the quarantining of new crew for 2 weeks (but at the same point, they don’t plan to do that with guests and if everyone is vaccinated.. just saying).  But the other items make no sense unless there is a code red outbreak.  The crew need downtime and to be able not to be locked up like a prisoner.  Just saying....

 

I just wish the cdc would get over this issue as personally, I still say, safer on the ship if everyone has to prove having to be vaccinated versus a plane where no one has to.

 

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I'm probably more "pro crew" than most. Seriously. But before we all get outraged about crew gyms and crew social venues being shut down, lets remember that everyone will be dealing with changes. Start up will be challenging ... we'll all be faced with restrictions and rules that we don't like. But we want to cruise, so we'll bite it. Over time, the situation should improve.  Probably some ups and downs, but we'll get there.

 

When I worked on 1,400 pax cruise ships (a lifetime ago), we didn't have gyms or bars. A small crew mess hall, that was it, and only for dining. 4 to 6 girls to a cabin; the bathroom/showers were down the hall. Split shifts were brutal. We did not expect to be entertained; we were there to work.

 

Today, we're still dealing with Covid. A crew member being confined to a cabin with only one other person is not "imprisonment!" Nor is being quarantined in a full size passenger cabin. Frustrating and inconvenient to be sure. A reason to be extra kind to the crew? Absolutely. But the restrictions will not be forever. And In this particular situation, my sympathies can only go so far.

 

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, Vera/Lee said:

I agree with this comment and hope Royal will not accept that kind of treatment to our beloved crew members! Those are truly ridiculous requirements, especially when everyone on the ship has to be vaccinated. 

 

That's the problem. There is no vaccine mandate. The guidelines are designed with the mindset that no one is vaccinated. 

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4 hours ago, paulh84 said:

 

That's the problem. There is no vaccine mandate. The guidelines are designed with the mindset that no one is vaccinated. 

And amazingly enough, their own website tells everyone that vaccine WILL prevent you from getting the virus, then out of the other side of the mouth, they require all employees to vaccinate....oh but operate under the assumption you can still get it....that is the standard definition of "Hypocrite"  IMHO, nothing that comes out of that organization is clear, concise or following scientific method.  So it's not to be trusted...period.

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12 minutes ago, BecciBoo said:

There's only one word to adequately describe this situation...FUBAR...whatever you accept as it's meaning.

 

SNAFU as an alternative description!!!!!!!!!

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11 minutes ago, BecciBoo said:

And amazingly enough, their own website tells everyone that vaccine WILL prevent you from getting the virus, then out of the other side of the mouth, they require all employees to vaccinate....oh but operate under the assumption you can still get it....that is the standard definition of "Hypocrite"  IMHO, nothing that comes out of that organization is clear, concise or following scientific method.  So it's not to be trusted...period.

 

Huh?

 

The cruise lines are free to mandate a vaccine and put it in writing within their plans. That was the strong suggestion by the CDC. But the cruise lines won't do it. Until then, the CDC will operate under the premise that there is not a required vaccination protocol in place. 

 

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3 minutes ago, paulh84 said:

 

Huh?

 

The cruise lines are free to mandate a vaccine and put it in writing within their plans. That was the strong suggestion by the CDC. But the cruise lines won't do it. Until then, the CDC will operate under the premise that there is not a required vaccination protocol in place. 

 

What makes you think they won't.  Fain talks about it all the time.

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8 minutes ago, BecciBoo said:

What makes you think they won't.  Fain talks about it all the time.

 

He can talk about the benefits of vaccines all day long. Until a requirement is submitted as part of their return to service plans, talking about it doesn't mean a thing. They continue to sidestep the matter. 

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Looks like almost every cruise line will require both crew and passengers to be vaccinated at least 2 weeks prior to boarding.

 

So if all passengers and crew are vaccinated - what is the problem to get started??????? Answer..........red tape / incompetency / we were lied to by the experts / politics - pick one or all.

 

https://www.travelandleisure.com/cruises/cruises-that-allow-vaccinated-travelers

 

 

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On a ship with fully vaccinated passengers and crew, the requirements and protocols should still be in place and enforced, but not with the full rigor of intent deemed necessary for non-compliant people in an occasional incommodious environment.

 

There has to be some trust and leeway given to all onboard in knowing that everyone's best interest depends on "everyone's best interest." I mean, cruising has to happen sometime. To go on and on and on without giving it a try - knowing what we know and doing what we've done - negates the progress that has been made when it comes to the health and well-being of folks who just want to get up and go....on a cruise. Restrictions as described by Chris Wong, pertaining to the crew, are indeed too severe and would serve no purpose but to retard the excitement of and desire to get back to work. The hard working ship's crew needs to be just as anxious to get onboard as the passengers in their care.

 

Is it too soon to cruise? Will the Covid numbers always determine whether or not the ships sail, and should they? We may never know where we are if we don't go with what we know. It's a new, old adventure with challenges, no doubt. I'm kinda thinkin' that there are many who are willing to take 'em on, with eyes wide open, of course.   

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Perhaps it is good that the CDC and OSHA are not combined - cruisers would be wearing life jackets, helmets and knee / elbow pads all day and have seat belts on all chairs............just as an over abundance of caution. TIC.

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1 hour ago, paulh84 said:

Until a requirement is submitted as part of their return to service plans

Yes, so they are waiting for the protocol to come from CDC.....I have no doubts at all that a vaccine requirement will be part of that protocol....so what is your point.  Fain has said more than once they will incorporate any such decisions into their protocols including vaccine.  

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