Cruise lines meeting with CDC

[ontheweb]

41 minutes ago, RuthC said:

Many older people, and those who are otherwise compromised, ARE careful about not going out unless it is essential. Many of us have essentially become prisoners in our own homes. That's no kind of life in the long run. 

However, we still must get out for essential services. We still need groceries, and not all of us have someone to do that for them. We have to pick up prescriptions, see our doctors, and run a few other essential errands. 
It would be nice if everyone cooperated in keeping us as well as possible when we do need to go out. They can, by wearing a mask over their nose and mouth.

It isn't that hard to be considerate. 

Unfortunately, for too many it does seem to be too hard.

 

When we go out for walks, it seems we are in the minority wearing masks.

[cruisemom42]

11 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

Unfortunately, for too many it does seem to be too hard.

 

When we go out for walks, it seems we are in the minority wearing masks.

 

Unless you are walking where you are unable to keep a safe distance between yourself and others, then a mask is not needed.

 

I walk in my neighborhood; we all avoid coming within 10 feet (at a minimum) of others; most people cross the street or leave a wide swathe of space.

 

 

[ontheweb]

1 minute ago, cruisemom42 said:

 

Unless you are walking where you are unable to keep a safe distance between yourself and others, then a mask is not needed.

 

I walk in my neighborhood; we all avoid coming within 10 feet (at a minimum) of others; most people cross the street or leave a wide swathe of space.

 

 

We do cross the street, but it is becoming harder and harder as more people come up to our area, especially those who seem to be very averse to wearing masks. (Hint--it is the group that was castigated by the Mayor of NY City for having a huge turnout for a funeral while everyone else was postponing memorial services.) I have already been almost run down from behind on a sidewalk by 2 of their children riding bikes.

[puppycanducruise]

I walk my dog every morning.  I do not wear a mask outdoors.  If I see other people, I walk on the road around them, I do not come within 2m  (6 ft).

When I get groceries I wear a mask.  Yesterday, almost everyone in the grocery store had a mask on.  I noticed one couple who did not.  They did not follow the arrows and seemed oblivious to others.  I gave them a wide berth.

I think wearing a mask is the least we can do offer at least a little protection for ourselves and others.

[rafinmd]

Personally, I think 2M should be a minimum distance WITH a mask on both people.  I walk outside everyday and don't generally wear a mask but try to mask up (depending on the circumstances actually donning it or holding it over my face as we pass, starting somewhere around 100 feet away.

 

Roy

[JanDom]

1 hour ago, RuthC said:

Many older people, and those who are otherwise compromised, ARE careful about not going out unless it is essential. Many of us have essentially become prisoners in our own homes. That's no kind of life in the long run. 

However, we still must get out for essential services. We still need groceries, and not all of us have someone to do that for them. We have to pick up prescriptions, see our doctors, and run a few other essential errands. 
It would be nice if everyone cooperated in keeping us as well as possible when we do need to go out. They can, by wearing a mask over their nose and mouth.

It isn't that hard to be considerate. 

 
this is why we wear it even if we are told that it won’t help.

and we also help older people and neighbours with shopping.
 

In my opinion you can’t stop a whole economy and family’s life... 

And we got so many very different information and there are so much informations for me (even if I also have an illness) that make we behave as normal... 

 

But I won’t wear a mask outside because it is not needed at all. You are outside... 

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by JanDom

[broberts]

Sadly I've encountered a few individuals that seem to want to make the point that masks and distancing are not important by blithely crowding those wearing masks. It's behavior like this that's makes high risk people virtual prisoners in their homes.

[seaoma]

2 minutes ago, broberts said:

Sadly I've encountered a few individuals that seem to want to make the point that masks and distancing are not important by blithely crowding those wearing masks. It's behavior like this that's makes high risk people virtual prisoners in their homes.

 

I saw a video this morning where a lady called the people wearing masks very ugly names and then went over to them and coughed. What is wrong with a person like that?

[Mud_Shark]

Hmm - 3 pages of a discussion that is way off from the posted title of this thread.  Kinda misleading.  

 

Checked it out because of Interest in the CDC meeting, not a fight on masks vs no masks.

 

Don

[Lido - Lanai]

12 minutes ago, Mud_Shark said:

Hmm - 3 pages of a discussion that is way off from the posted title of this thread.  Kinda misleading.  

 

Checked it out because of Interest in the CDC meeting, not a fight on masks vs no masks.

 

Don

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[RuthC]

3 hours ago, JanDom said:

But I won’t wear a mask outside because it is not needed at all. You are outside... 

It is important to have a mask near you when outside, and have it handy, to put over the mouth and nose if someone comes close. Being outside, by itself, is not sufficient. One has to be ready for the unexpected. 

[Roz]

3 hours ago, ontheweb said:

Unfortunately, for too many it does seem to be too hard.

 

When we go out for walks, it seems we are in the minority wearing masks.

 

Add me to the list of those who don't wear a mask when they walk outside for exercise.  I've never read anything that says it's good to cover your nose and mouth while exercising.  When someone comes from the opposite direction, we pass each other quickly, and as long as no one coughs or sneezes, I don't see it as a hi-risk activity.  I'm not seen anyone in my neighborhood, young or old, who wears a mask while exercising outdoors or walking their dog.

[broberts]

What a waste training doctors and other professionals. Apparently the average person is far more knowledgeable.

[T8NCruise]

"Mask shaming" is ridiculous.  I walk a lot, and I don't wear a mask while walking, but I do give anyone passing a wide berth - we all do.  I do, however, always have my mask in my pocket, just in case I stop off at a store or whatever on my way home.  We wear masks at all times when in public places, such as stores.   Being outside in the fresh air is good for your health, as long as you take precautions against idiots.  Common sense.

[npcl]

3 hours ago, seaoma said:

 

I saw a video this morning where a lady called the people wearing masks very ugly names and then went over to them and coughed. What is wrong with a person like that?

If someone did that to me, I would file assault charges.

[npcl]

Some very interesting research has just come out that looked that the rates of infection in Italy and New York City, in relationship to the issuance of orders making masks mandatory in public places.  There is clear data that the rate of infection dropped significantly once mask use became common in those areas.

 

The first link is an Australian article that summarizes the finding, the second is the actual article for those interested in more detail.

 

Masks notably reduce infection risk: study

https://www.oberonreview.com.au/story/6791736/masks-notably-reduce-infection-risk-study/?cs=12

Mask-wearing is even more important for preventing the virus' spread and the sometimes deadly COVID-19 illness it causes than social distancing and stay-at-home orders, researchers said, in the study published in PNAS: The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA.

 

Infection trends shifted dramatically when mask-wearing rules were implemented on April 6 in northern Italy and April 17 in New York City - at the time among the hardest hit areas of the world by the health crisis - the study found.

 

 

Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19

 

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/10/2009637117

 

 Notably, the trends of the infection curves in Italy and NYC contrast to those in the world and in the United States (Fig. 1C), which show little deviation from the linearity due to the nonimplementation of face-covering measures globally and nationally, respectively. The inability of social distancing, quarantine, and isolation alone to curb the spread of COVID-19 is also evident from the linearity of the infection curve prior to the onset of the face-covering rule in Italy on April 6 and in NYC on April 17 (Fig. 2 B and C). Hence, the difference made by implementing face covering significantly shapes the pandemic trends worldwide.

[Roz]

2 hours ago, Mud_Shark said:

Hmm - 3 pages of a discussion that is way off from the posted title of this thread.  Kinda misleading.  

 

Checked it out because of Interest in the CDC meeting, not a fight on masks vs no masks.

 

Don

 

It's called thread drift. 😏

[ontheweb]

2 hours ago, Roz said:

 

Add me to the list of those who don't wear a mask when they walk outside for exercise.  I've never read anything that says it's good to cover your nose and mouth while exercising.  When someone comes from the opposite direction, we pass each other quickly, and as long as no one coughs or sneezes, I don't see it as a hi-risk activity.  I'm not seen anyone in my neighborhood, young or old, who wears a mask while exercising outdoors or walking their dog.

So today with phase 2 now in effect in our county and many neighboring counties, we drove to the neighboring county (there is basically no shopping other than groceries in our county) for DW to buy many things she needs. We passed several times flashing signs that alternated saying "New York is tough" and "wear a mask in public". Being outside when others are outside is being in public.  

 

I did take the mask off in the car and hung it on the control for the windshield wiper. I did put it back on to walk around the parking lot and checking out one other store while DW shopped for material which I know always takes a lot of time.

[Roz]

5 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

So today with phase 2 now in effect in our county and many neighboring counties, we drove to the neighboring county (there is basically no shopping other than groceries in our county) for DW to buy many things she needs. We passed several times flashing signs that alternated saying "New York is tough" and "wear a mask in public". Being outside when others are outside is being in public.  

 

I did take the mask off in the car and hung it on the control for the windshield wiper. I did put it back on to walk around the parking lot and checking out one other store while DW shopped for material which I know always takes a lot of time.

 

Sorry, just can't do it in a hot, humid climate.  I'll wear my mask outside when shopping, walking thru garages, across parking lots, etc., but not on an exercise trail or walking around my neighborhood.  I guess I'm going to die. 😉  I live in TN and don't know what "NY is tough" means.  You'll get beat up?

[ontheweb]

1 minute ago, Roz said:

 

Sorry, just can't do it in a hot, humid climate.  I'll wear my mask outside when shopping, walking thru garages, across parking lots, etc., but not on an exercise trail or walking around my neighborhood.  I guess I'm going to die. 😉  I live in TN and don't know what "NY is tough" means.  You'll get beat up?

I think they were trying to say New Yorkers are tough and will beat this present terrible pandemic. But, I could be wrong. But that's what makes sense to me.

[seaoma]

1 hour ago, npcl said:

If someone did that to me, I would file assault charges.

 

Absolutely! I would too.

 

I do believe they are trying to identify her. Initial information is that she works in the healthcare field, which is really disheartening and, if true, means she may have to dust off her resume. 

 

1 hour ago, Roz said:

 

It's called thread drift. 😏

 

Drifting is easy when there isn't really any information on the topic to discuss. 

 

Has anyone found any published news to report from the CDC meeting?

[npcl]

Just now, seaoma said:

 

Absolutely! I would too.

 

I do believe they are trying to identify her. Initial information is that she works in the healthcare field, which is really disheartening and, if true, means she may have to dust off her resume. 

 

 

Drifting is easy when there isn't really any information on the topic to discuss. 

 

Has anyone found any published news to report from the CDC meeting?

Only that the discussion was about crew disembarkation and the red,yellow,green ship classifications. Nothing new concerning when the ships will sail again.

[KirkNC]

1 hour ago, npcl said:

Only that the discussion was about crew disembarkation and the red,yellow,green ship classifications. Nothing new concerning when the ships will sail again.

That’s all I have been able to find as well though one article quoted a stock analyst as suggesting CDC and the cruise lines were closer to agreement and resolution then a recent Miami Herald article suggested.  Still all just talk. 

[cbr663]

5 hours ago, Mud_Shark said:

Hmm - 3 pages of a discussion that is way off from the posted title of this thread.  Kinda misleading.  

 

Checked it out because of Interest in the CDC meeting, not a fight on masks vs no masks.

 

Don

 

It has been very common on CC in the past several months.  Even though it is a violation of the T&C's, and quite frankly very rude behaviour, there doesn't seem to be any moderators preventing it from happening.

[rkacruiser]

20 hours ago, broberts said:

 

I've been wondering if face shields might be a better solution for those experiencing difficulties with masks.

 

And where are we common mortals able to buy such?  I have yet to find a retail outlet where I live where I could buy such.  I would be more comfortable with a mask that has an elastic strap that goes around the head and not around the ears.  A major medical supply company has such a mask available on their website, but not available for purchase by the public. 

 

Those "in power" at whatever governmental level who want us to wear masks/shields/whatever have not thoroughly thought through how to allow (and provide the resources) for us. "We, the People" to be able to do so.   

 

18 hours ago, npcl said:

 

According to Dr. Frank Esper, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at Cleveland Clinic Children's Center

 

Masks protect others around you from germs you are carrying. Face shields do the opposite, protecting you from being infected by the people around you.

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-shields-masks-covid-.html

 

So, more confusing information.  If the problem is that a cough/sneeze/conversation could spread the virus a certain number of feet from an infected person, why would not a shield prevent such a spread?  Virus particles "hit a shield".  Gravity, I assume, has some influence on such particles.  They drop downward, not forward.  Thus, the person closest to me will not be impacted by my exhaling of such  virus particles.