Rare BlerkOne Posted July 20, 2020 #201 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, quattrohead said: Judging by the price of those California based cruises, none of them are going to be sailing, apparently no one want's to. Prices for the first cruise seem quite high. The rest look normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 20, 2020 #202 Share Posted July 20, 2020 It now appears that CMV in Britain is done. What will happen to the Pacific Aria and Pacific Dawn of P&O (Australia) - a Carnival company - which were scheduled to be sold to CMV?I don't think they have the funds to pay for these two ships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD64 Posted July 20, 2020 #203 Share Posted July 20, 2020 No they don’t - they just filed for administration today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 20, 2020 #204 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RD64 said: It now appears that CMV in Britain is done. What will happen to the Pacific Aria and Pacific Dawn of P&O (Australia) - a Carnival company - which were scheduled to be sold to CMV? Probably scrap or sold to the new venture with the remaining S ships. Carnival will scrap the Magellan if they get it back from CMV. Edited July 20, 2020 by ch09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 20, 2020 #205 Share Posted July 20, 2020 This company was supposed to take some of Carnival Corps ships...the dominos are starting to fall. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23261-cruise-maritime-voyages-placed-into-administration.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 20, 2020 #206 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, quattrohead said: Judging by the price of those California based cruises, none of them are going to be sailing, apparently no one want's to. If the Conquest replaced both the Imagination and Inspiration, that would still be big capacity cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 20, 2020 #207 Share Posted July 20, 2020 three small Cruise lines already into bankruptcy. how many more to go? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 20, 2020 #208 Share Posted July 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, drsel said: three small Cruise lines already into bankruptcy. how many more to go? This isn't the first time and probably won't be the last. A number of mismanaged businesses are likely to fall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 20, 2020 #209 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said: This company was supposed to take some of Carnival Corps ships...the dominos are starting to fall. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23261-cruise-maritime-voyages-placed-into-administration.html A perfect opportunity for Carnival to get the Holiday back! Edited July 20, 2020 by BlerkOne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgcruising Posted July 20, 2020 #210 Share Posted July 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, BlerkOne said: A perfect opportunity for Carnival to get the Holiday back! Why does it look like its leaning?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 20, 2020 #211 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Bgcruising said: Why does it look like its leaning?? For the same reason the wake isn't directly behind the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe817 Posted July 20, 2020 #212 Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bgcruising said: Why does it look like its leaning?? My guess is, it's turning starboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Essiesmom Posted July 20, 2020 #213 Share Posted July 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, BlerkOne said: A perfect opportunity for Carnival to get the Holiday back! Or for Bahamas Paradise to pick her up to go with Celebration... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 20, 2020 #214 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Essiesmom said: Or for Bahamas Paradise to pick her up to go with Celebration... True, but Bahamas is on a growing list of countries not allowing Americans in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeeboy77 Posted July 20, 2020 #215 Share Posted July 20, 2020 19 hours ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said: The way the cruise lines are operating now is what you'd see from the just-about-to-lose player in Monopoly: -- Scrap/sell big chunks of the fleet -- Mortgage the rest of it -- Meanwhile, keep up the Ponzi scheme of selling cabins on cruises that will never sail ... and using the deposits to keep the executives' $$ flowing while refundIng a few disappointed customers from three months earlier. Thanks to gross incompetence by cruise execs and CLIA, the industry is ONLY NOW beginning to get serious about how it will have to adapt to resume operations. Could the lawyers & beancounters keep alive some shell corporations through years of bankruptcy? Sure. But those who flew Pan Am in its final years ... and those who've shopped dying department stores in their final months ... know what a disaster that is. The name and logo remain, but nothing else is like it was: The operation is tired and shoddy, staff morale is wrecked, the overall experience is like a discount funeral. Any intelligent cruisers who hope to sail again in 2021 should direct their complaints toward the real culprits: the empty suits at CLIA and the failing exec teams at CCL, RCI and NCL. Some good points. However, a great many companies went through bankruptcy protection and came out of it very well, even stronger. Marvel comes to mind. Six Flags did ok. At one point, Apple was completely broke and debt ridden. Who could have predicted a one year shutdown, with zero revenue, five years ago? Even one year ago...nobody. Chapter 11 might just be the smart play for the big 3. Time will tell, we’ll probably see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 20, 2020 #216 Share Posted July 20, 2020 48 minutes ago, BlerkOne said: A perfect opportunity for Carnival to get the Holiday back! It did occur to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 20, 2020 #217 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: It did occur to me Most likely it’s dest 1 hour ago, BlerkOne said: A perfect opportunity for Carnival to get the Holiday back! Most likely it is headed to Turkey to join its old Fantasy class ship sisters to be broken up after 35 years of service. Edited July 20, 2020 by ch09 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDisconnections Posted July 21, 2020 #218 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, ch09 said: Most likely it’s dest Most likely it is headed to Turkey to join its old Fantasy class ship sisters to be broken up after 35 years of service. I'd say so. Carnival doesn't want that back. Edited July 21, 2020 by xDisconnections 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 21, 2020 #219 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Iberocruceros spent a fortune renovating Celebration and Holiday. Even Costa might want them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted July 21, 2020 #220 Share Posted July 21, 2020 The decision Carnival has to make is whether to go ahead with the transformations of Star Princess and Golden Princess to Pacific Adventure and Pacific Encounter for the Australian market. If the Princess ships don't move over, Carnival could keep Pacific Aria and Pacific Eden deployed. Alternatively, they could sell the two to another operator (or for scrap) which leaves P&O Australia with exactly one ship. Does Carnival finish off the P&O brand in Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodscruise Posted July 21, 2020 #221 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Pacific Eden was already transferred to CMV and is now sailing as Vasco Da Gama. The ships to be transferred in 2021 were the Pacific Aria ex Ryndam (to be renamed as Ida Pfeiffer) and Pacific Dawn ex Regal Princess (to be renamed Amy Johnson). Because CMV is now in liquidation any thoughts on the future of these ships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare KmomChicago Posted July 21, 2020 #222 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 hours ago, woodscruise said: Pacific Eden was already transferred to CMV and is now sailing as Vasco Da Gama. The ships to be transferred in 2021 were the Pacific Aria ex Ryndam (to be renamed as Ida Pfeiffer) and Pacific Dawn ex Regal Princess (to be renamed Amy Johnson). Because CMV is now in liquidation any thoughts on the future of these ships? My thought is these ships likely have no future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy_weatherman Posted July 21, 2020 #223 Share Posted July 21, 2020 19 hours ago, Stick93 said: Where will they take a conquest ship from?? You may be left with one very expensively priced ship - at least its will be from the newest! Exactly. Plus they were consistently sailing the Inspiration/Imagination routes at bargain prices. I don't see them taking away ships from home ports that would make more $$$ to struggle to fill it on a 3-day sailing on the West Coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted July 21, 2020 #224 Share Posted July 21, 2020 The fact is that Carnival was over saturated in the Caribbean to support their many home port logic. I would think some of the less than swamped (read that as less profitable) might dry up when this is said and done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 21, 2020 #225 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, stormy_weatherman said: Exactly. Plus they were consistently sailing the Inspiration/Imagination routes at bargain prices. I don't see them taking away ships from home ports that would make more $$$ to struggle to fill it on a 3-day sailing on the West Coast. Carnival has been serving the 3/4 day route out of LA since the early 1990’s when the Holiday started doing that route. Carnival will not abandon that market. I think it will come at the expense of either Galveston or Fort Lauderdale. There will likely be other ship swaps along with it. The conquest doing it only decreases the number of beds by a lot. Edited July 21, 2020 by ch09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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