CDC No Sail Order July 16 Update

[HaveWeMetYet]

July 16, 2020 Update

On July 16, 2020, CDC extended the No Sail Order and Suspension of Further Embarkation; Notice of Modification and Extension and Other Measures Related to Operations signed by the CDC Director on April 9, 2020—subject to the modifications and additional stipulated conditions as set forth in this Order. The Order is effective upon signature and will be published in the Federal Register.

This Order is in effect until one of the following occurs:

• The expiration of the Secretary of Health and Human Services’ declaration that COVID-19 constitutes a public health emergency,
• The CDC Director rescinds or modifies the order based on specific public health or other considerations, or
• September 30, 2020.

[jknc]

So, not until 10/1 @ best.  When does RCL declare bankruptcy? 

[Oceansaway17]

What a confusing rambling release.

 

[Milwaukee Eight]

With the no sail order, how could cruise ships even begin to staff up to return to cruising in October. 

[HicksRA]

Yeah, that probably pushes it to at least mid November, and that’s very optimistic imo. 

[Pratique]

The modified order contains a lot of information about the steps that have been taken so far (but apparently not far enough). Also the CDC cites that many other countries including Canada and Australia also have equivalent no-sail orders in place through this period of time.

 

It looks like there is still a long way to go.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/No-Sail-Order-Cruise-Ships-Second-Extension_07_16_2020-p.pdf

[molly361]

Guessing the next suspension will extend thru October or November.  Don't think it's going to be from Sept 15- 30.  Which line will announce first??

[sandebeach]

I thought for sure the CDC would extend through November. Didn’t Carnival or NCL cancel all cruises through September 30?

[Milwaukee Eight]

7 minutes ago, Pratique said:

The modified order contains a lot of information about the steps that have been taken so far (but apparently not far enough). Also the CDC cites that many other countries including Canada and Australia also have equivalent no-sail orders in place through this period of time.

 

It looks like there is still a long way to go.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/No-Sail-Order-Cruise-Ships-Second-Extension_07_16_2020-p.pdf

 

Summarize the 20 pages please?

 

Thanks

[mek]

They have a no-sail business plan through the end of 2020 that has been mentioned on numerous posts and they probably are OK into the second quarter 2021, ( which based on what I have read is when I think any kind of cruises that aren't just test runs will start up.)

[Sea Dog]

32 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

With the no sail order, how could cruise ships even begin to staff up to return to cruising in October. 

I am glad I did a L&S on our Oct. 11th, I don't see how any cruises in October can happen.

[Pratique]

18 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

 

Summarize the 20 pages please?

 

Thanks

I'll try to sort through it this evening.

 

This is an interesting page that shows the status of each cruise line.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html

 

Bahamas Paradise is good to go and MSC is getting close.

Edited July 16, 2020 by Pratique

[rmf11699]

wow

[Anton]

From in paragraph two, they seem to be responding to the claims that they are ignoring the cruise industry.

[taglovestocruise]

52 minutes ago, jknc said:

So, not until 10/1 @ best.  When does RCL declare bankruptcy? 

Several large brokerage firms just moved Royal to a buy recordation.  12 month price target is $77.17..

[Pratique]

I don't know if this is news or not.

 

[Traveldazed]

31 minutes ago, Pratique said:

I'll try to sort through it this evening.

 

This is an interesting page that shows the status of each cruise line.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/crew-disembarkations-commercial-travel.html

 

Bahamas Paradise is good to go and MSC is getting close.

This list of color coded ships is for crew members being able to work and disembark.

Edited July 16, 2020 by Traveldazed

[Pratique]

13 minutes ago, Traveldazed said:

This list of color coded ships is for crew members being able to work and disembark.

First step before cruising resumes I presume.

[Plum Happy]

It goes to show that even testing can be a big issue on the ships.  Here's an example they give:

 

Numerous challenges have arisen in detecting COVID-19 transmission onboard ships. Although examples can be given from most cruise lines, the experiences of four Royal Caribbean ships, the Vision of the Seas, Liberty of the Seas, Enchantment of the Seas, and Adventure of the Seas, particularly illustrate how an undetected COVID-19 outbreak may occur. These four ships reported no confirmed COVID-19 cases or COVID-like illness in crew for 28 days or longer. However, when crew subsequently disembarked in countries that required shoreside testing, confirmed cases of COVID-19 were detected in 55 crew members. While CDC has recommended periodic random testing of symptomatic and asymptomatic crew, to our knowledge, only 20 of 49 ships currently operating or planning to operate in U.S. waters during the period of the April 15, 2020 Extension have performed testing.

 

While regular testing is not a panacea and a negative test result cannot be used to rule out

results to be useful, and this has proven particularly challenging for ships, even when in port. Difficulties may include lack of point-of-care testing onboard and inadequate staffing to collect, track and transport samples. When rapid testing is more available, regular, repeated testing of those on board, as recommended in other high-density workplace settings, may help to detect COVID-19 outbreaks. Absent wider availability and implementation of testing, undetected outbreaks of COVID-19 among crew are likely to reoccur.

 

 

 

[Ashland]

Looking even possible for my mid March RCI southern caribbean cruise...yes/no ?

[Plum Happy]

1 hour ago, jknc said:

So, not until 10/1 @ best.  When does RCL declare bankruptcy? 

If they declare, they would do it so that they could restructure, they wouldn't be out of business.  Don't get stuck on them going bankrupt.

[chipmaster]

Yawn, is this like the mask thing, until there is a official "rule" please do and speculate all you want.

 

Was there ever a question that cruising wouldn't be allowed.

 

GO USA GO!   Don't wear those masks, and open it up baby@!

 

 

[Casino Comp Chick]

1 hour ago, molly361 said:

Guessing the next suspension will extend thru October or November.  Don't think it's going to be from Sept 15- 30.  Which line will announce first??

NCL already pulled all NY sailings from their site until January 2021. My guess is NCL will announce tomorrow after COB.

[denamo]

1 hour ago, Pratique said:

The modified order contains a lot of information about the steps that have been taken so far (but apparently not far enough). Also the CDC cites that many other countries including Canada and Australia also have equivalent no-sail orders in place through this period of time.

 

It looks like there is still a long way to go.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/No-Sail-Order-Cruise-Ships-Second-Extension_07_16_2020-p.pdf

Reading that document will make you go cross eyed!  Bottom line is the CDC is not convinced cruise ships do not have the propensity to spread Covid-19 quickly. So, until the CDC is satisfied, NSO will remain in effect.  Will be interesting to see what the Royal Caribbean and Norwegian collaboration are able to put together to assure safe cruising to the CDC's satisfaction.

 

 

 

[RKHOOKER]

Qantas Australia has just cancelled all international flights until March 2021, except for New Zealand.

Everybody on these boards agrees with one thing..... flights will resume well ahead of cruising.