sjb317 Posted October 15, 2020 #676 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said: It’s my understanding that Brevard, although previously in good shape as far as infection rate goes, is now having spikes. I suspect that has increased the demand for common Flu vaccines. I got mine at the VA Clinic Viera. I have no clue if it was the high dose or not. M8 It was difficult finding the high dose last year, too, although not to the extent of this year. Although you are right about Brevard spiking, I think part of the reason for the shortage is there are quite a few people over 65 in the county.😂. The high dose is for 65 and older. Sherri🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites
lovelife Posted October 15, 2020 #677 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Yes. Link to post Share on other sites
lenquixote66 Posted October 15, 2020 #678 Share Posted October 15, 2020 21 hours ago, Charles4515 said: My doctor also had not gotten his supply yet but there seems to be plenty of flu vaccine available at pharmacies around here. I walked into CVS and got the high dose shot two weeks ago. I was there a few days ago to use the $5 off coupon they gave me with the shot and they were giving flu shots. Our community center was was giving shots a week ago for two days by appointment and is taking appointments for next week. I do think it will be harder to get a Covid shot. Several of the leading vaccine candidates require two doses and -70 refrigeration Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro I was at the office of a doctor today who had the vaccine .I was surprised. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
lenquixote66 Posted October 16, 2020 #679 Share Posted October 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said: How is that possible? I’m not questioning you comment for accuracy, just doesn’t make sense. I haven’t heard any shortages here in Florida. Are these programs State run or Federal? Our Walgreens and Publix have the flu vaccines. Publix actually gives one a $10 Publix Gift card to get the shot. I got mine last week at my VA Clinic. M8 I said Senior Flu vaccine .The pharmacies have regular flu.My wife took the vaccine for people allergic to eggs a few days ago.Most places do not have that either. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Milwaukee Eight Posted October 16, 2020 #680 Share Posted October 16, 2020 50 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: I said Senior Flu vaccine .The pharmacies have regular flu.My wife took the vaccine for people allergic to eggs a few days ago.Most places do not have that either. I think from what little research I have done, some high density areas are short on the vaccine. M8 Link to post Share on other sites
Mapleleafforever Posted October 21, 2020 #681 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Looks like a volunteer in the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine phase 3 trial has died in Brazil. More to come I'm sure..... Link to post Share on other sites
mek Posted October 21, 2020 #682 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Mapleleafforever said: Looks like a volunteer in the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine phase 3 trial has died in Brazil. More to come I'm sure..... I was just reading that. Of course the cause of death could be totally unrelated to the vaccine, but let the fireworks begin. Link to post Share on other sites
TheMastodon Posted October 21, 2020 #683 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, mek said: I was just reading that. Of course the cause of death could be totally unrelated to the vaccine, but let the fireworks begin. I have heard from 2 individuals high up in the medical industry that the Johnson&Johnson phase 3 isn't performing as well as they had hoped. Link to post Share on other sites
mek Posted October 21, 2020 #684 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, TheMastodon said: I have heard from 2 individuals high up in the medical industry that the Johnson&Johnson phase 3 isn't performing as well as they had hoped. As of 10/12, they had a study pause because a participant developed an unexplained illness. Link to post Share on other sites
ricka47 Posted October 21, 2020 #685 Share Posted October 21, 2020 My wife and I both had the Wuhan virus back in March and we have the antibodies now. But, there's no guarantee that we will have them for even another day. So, we'd get the vaccine. yes. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Mapleleafforever Posted October 22, 2020 #686 Share Posted October 22, 2020 So the person who died wasn't given the Covid-19 vaccine but rather was part of the control group who was given a Meningitis Vaccine? This is one of the many many many reasons why I would never be a guinea pig...... "A source familiar with the matter told Reuters the trial would have been suspended if the volunteer who died had received the COVID-19 vaccine, suggesting the person was part of the control group that was given a meningitis jab." Link to post Share on other sites
Ourusualbeach Posted October 22, 2020 #687 Share Posted October 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said: So the person who died wasn't given the Covid-19 vaccine but rather was part of the control group who was given a Meningitis Vaccine? This is one of the many many many reasons why I would never be a guinea pig...... "A source familiar with the matter told Reuters the trial would have been suspended if the volunteer who died had received the COVID-19 vaccine, suggesting the person was part of the control group that was given a meningitis jab." Why would a control group have been given a different vaccine, aren’t control groups just given either a saline shot or sugar pill Link to post Share on other sites
Mapleleafforever Posted October 22, 2020 #688 Share Posted October 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: Why would a control group have been given a different vaccine, aren’t control groups just given either a saline shot or sugar pill That's what I thought but shows what I know, or rather don't know. Apparently some vaccine trials use placebo while others use an existing licenced vaccine. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Charles4515 Posted October 22, 2020 #689 Share Posted October 22, 2020 12 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said: Why would a control group have been given a different vaccine, aren’t control groups just given either a saline shot or sugar pill Possibly so they would not guess they were in the control group. With another vaccine they probably had a reaction. With saline nothing. Not sure it is ethical because if they thought they had the vaccine they may have taken risks. Link to post Share on other sites
Arizona Wildcat Posted October 23, 2020 #690 Share Posted October 23, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 3:13 PM, RETNAVY1996 said: I voted no because I will wait until we really know the vaccine is safe. This fast track stuff worries me about other things the cure could cause. Give it a few years and I will get one, but even then we will not know of any long term issues. Back in the 1950s a guy name Jonas Salk in just over 2 years developed a vaccine for polio. This was in the day of no computers. Is a year too short a time with all the technology we have today. The biggest change according to Ampio Pharma is the FDA is responding within 24 hours instead of 3+ months. Once the stage 3 is complete I would want a normal approval time to see medium term adverse reactions. So if all complete in December would be willing to be vaccinated in February. The adverse reactions to COVID seem to be less dying percentage wise but more and more long term issues. If the few million first responders are fine then sure seems I would be too. FWIW I am 65+ with no health issues. DW same age with underlying conditions. Link to post Share on other sites
Ourusualbeach Posted October 23, 2020 #691 Share Posted October 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, Charles4515 said: Possibly so they would not guess they were in the control group. With another vaccine they probably had a reaction. With saline nothing. Not sure it is ethical because if they thought they had the vaccine they may have taken risks. I get flu shots every year and have had a couple other vaccines and have never had a reaction. I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
OSUZorba Posted October 23, 2020 #692 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said: Why would a control group have been given a different vaccine, aren’t control groups just given either a saline shot or sugar pill I think the idea is any vaccine can stimulate the immune system and make it more "on alert" for some period of time, so some studies use unrelated vaccines as a control. 34 minutes ago, Charles4515 said: Possibly so they would not guess they were in the control group. With another vaccine they probably had a reaction. With saline nothing. Not sure it is ethical because if they thought they had the vaccine they may have taken risks. That's the point though. The only way to prove the vaccine works is for people in the control group to get the disease. This is why the debate over human challenge studies is just a very real version of the trolley program, where the powers that be decided it was better to passively allow the trolley to hit a huge group of people as opposed to actively aim it at a few. Edited October 23, 2020 by OSUZorba Link to post Share on other sites
Charles4515 Posted October 23, 2020 #693 Share Posted October 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: I get flu shots every year and have had a couple other vaccines and have never had a reaction. I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. I always get a reaction to the flu shot. To the flu shot it is very minor but I know I had a shot. A slightly sore arm. With the two shingrix jabs I had a sore arm and a slight fever. No reaction all with the Pneumonia shots, TAP, Tetanus or Hep. Link to post Share on other sites
Charles4515 Posted October 23, 2020 #694 Share Posted October 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, OSUZorba said: That's the point though. The only way to prove the vaccine works is for people in the control group to get the disease. I understand that. I guess surprised they would give the control group a meningitis or other vaccine instead of saline. Link to post Share on other sites
travelhound Posted October 23, 2020 #695 Share Posted October 23, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 1:38 PM, julesbeara said: If Royal Requires A Covid-19 Vaccine Before Cruising Will You Get It??? Yes 👍 Link to post Share on other sites
ace2542 Posted October 23, 2020 #696 Share Posted October 23, 2020 10 hours ago, Charles4515 said: I understand that. I guess surprised they would give the control group a meningitis or other vaccine instead of saline. Why? Perhaps instead of Saline solution they are hedging bets and seeing if a current vaccine like meningitis works in parallel to the current research. If they can come across another vaccine offering protection during trials all the better. Link to post Share on other sites
Charles4515 Posted October 24, 2020 #697 Share Posted October 24, 2020 On 10/23/2020 at 7:18 AM, ace2542 said: Why? Perhaps instead of Saline solution they are hedging bets and seeing if a current vaccine like meningitis works in parallel to the current research. If they can come across another vaccine offering protection during trials all the better. Duh. That would not make sense at all. The purpose of a control group is to compare with the group receiving the trial vaccine and see if the trial is effective. Link to post Share on other sites
ace2542 Posted October 24, 2020 #698 Share Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Charles4515 said: Duh. That would not make sense at all. The purpose of a control group is to compare with the group receiving the trial vaccine and see if the trial is effective. As maybe but if they stumble across something else all the better. Why give an unrelated vaccine why not just give the saline as said?. If the meningitis vaccine offered protection as well wouldn't they confuse the issue? And the oxford vaccine appears to produce very strong response which is encouraging. Edited October 24, 2020 by ace2542 Link to post Share on other sites
bucfan2 Posted October 25, 2020 #699 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 8/18/2020 at 10:06 AM, yogimax said: Every time someone mentions "fear mongering" and media bias I laugh! We (those I know) don’t find the ‘fear mongering’ or the media bias funny at all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
OnTheJourney Posted October 25, 2020 #700 Share Posted October 25, 2020 54 minutes ago, bucfan2 said: We (those I know) don’t find the ‘fear mongering’ or the media bias funny at all. Yeah...whatever humor might exist in it is lost on me too. Link to post Share on other sites
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