Georgie562 Posted July 29, 2020 #1 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) Now, “we have made a decision to remove a further two ships from our fleet. These decisions are intended to align the fleet with the expected phased restart of guest cruise operations while also generating cost savings.” https://www.thestreet.com/investing/carnival-sees-impairment-charge-up-to-650-million#:~:text=Error Code%3A 100013)-,Carnival to Take Up to %24650 Million Charge to Reduce,15 ships from its fleet. Edited July 29, 2020 by Georgie562 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 29, 2020 #2 Share Posted July 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, Georgie562 said: Now, “we have made a decision to remove a further two ships from our fleet. These decisions are intended to align the fleet with the expected phased restart of guest cruise operations while also generating cost savings.” https://www.thestreet.com/investing/carnival-sees-impairment-charge-up-to-650-million#:~:text=Error Code%3A 100013)-,Carnival to Take Up to %24650 Million Charge to Reduce,15 ships from its fleet. Fascination and Imagination are likely the ships mentioned. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostwick girl Posted July 29, 2020 #3 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Guess eventually they will tell us which ones are the newest addition to the for sale or scrap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD64 Posted July 29, 2020 #4 Share Posted July 29, 2020 My bet is the two ships currently sailing for P&O Australia which were to have been sold to CMV. Now that CMV is gone, it is doubtful that Carnival wAnt to hold on to these ships any longer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie562 Posted July 29, 2020 Author #5 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Here is a better link without all those ads and gibberish 🙄. https://www.carnivalcorp.com/news-releases/news-release-details/carnival-corporation-plc-announces-non-cash-impairment-charges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebucks Posted July 29, 2020 #6 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Fantasy class is done for 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aplmac Posted July 29, 2020 #7 Share Posted July 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Joebucks said: Fantasy class is done for ^ From your mouth to God's ear! For some time now they've been looking awfully outdated.. - dragging down 'the look' of the rest of Carnival's far more modern fleet! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 29, 2020 #8 Share Posted July 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, Joebucks said: Fantasy class is done for Maybe with the exception for the Elation and Paradise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 29, 2020 #9 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Imagination sending crew over to the Coral Princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertcruzer Posted July 29, 2020 #10 Share Posted July 29, 2020 3 hours ago, ch09 said: Fascination and Imagination are likely the ships mentioned. If so, I am double heartbroken. My husband and I met onboard the Fascination in 1995 and were married in 1997. Before this pandemic hit, we had planned to do another cruise on her to celebrate 25 years together. So sad it will never happen now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising89143 Posted July 29, 2020 #11 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, ch09 said: Imagination sending crew over to the Coral Princess. Noticed that she also shows Freeport as the next port. If they were transferring crew members over to the CP then it looks as though she will be headed across the pond. This was my fourth Carnival ship after the Fantasy, Sensation and Celebration which still remains my favorite Carnival ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 29, 2020 #12 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London-Calling Posted July 29, 2020 #13 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Here is some speculation, in the absence of facts: 😉 https://malcolmoliver.wordpress.com/2020/07/29/carnival-fascination-and-imagination-to-leave-the-fleet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted July 29, 2020 #14 Share Posted July 29, 2020 https://ibb.co/PhZX5Q4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch09 Posted July 30, 2020 #15 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, cruisingator2 said: Noticed that she also shows Freeport as the next port. If they were transferring crew members over to the CP then it looks as though she will be headed across the pond. This was my fourth Carnival ship after the Fantasy, Sensation and Celebration which still remains my favorite Carnival ship. The Imagination will likely get stripped of its valuables and its movables of valuable items that Carnival wants to keep in Freeport rather than Curacao. Grand Bahama Shipyard is more than capable to do this. Edited July 30, 2020 by ch09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purvis1231 Posted July 30, 2020 #16 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I was very pessimistic about cruising since the beginning of this crisis especially the future of the Fantasy class ships (that I enjoy). As things started to reopen I thought the Fantasy class might have a little hope since I though people would want to sail on smaller ships but it does not look like that will happen. I am afraid in a few years we will have the Royal Carnival lines with a substantially reduced fleet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schazzy Posted July 30, 2020 #17 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 hours ago, dezertcruzer said: If so, I am double heartbroken. My husband and I met onboard the Fascination in 1995 and were married in 1997. Before this pandemic hit, we had planned to do another cruise on her to celebrate 25 years together. So sad it will never happen now. Same here, the Fascination was the ship I took my now husband on for his first cruise and he fell in love with that ship and cruising in general. We had considered doing a cruise out of San Juan on her to commemorate that cruise, but alas, that will probably not happen now 😟 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising_Addict Posted July 30, 2020 #18 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, ch09 said: Fascination and Imagination are likely the ships mentioned. They have already been taken out of service. They were included in last week’s cancellations. Edited July 30, 2020 by Cruising_Addict 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linsuesue Posted July 30, 2020 #19 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I hope they aren’t working their way down to the Spirit class ships! Those are my favorites. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted July 30, 2020 #20 Share Posted July 30, 2020 If more cuts are necessary, it may come down to which drydock can be avoided. Carnival Spirit is scheduled for May 29-June 12, 2021. Carnival Pride doesn't have one scheduled yet, but should have one no later than February 2022. Carnival Legend does not have one scheduled, but is due by May 2021. Carnival Miracle is good until 2022 or 2023. Her most recent drydock is in 2020. Legend may be vulnerable due to the 2021 drydock, but it comes down to where Carnival wants to pare back service. The most likely cut would be in San Diego, with Miracle or Pride splitting time between the Caribbean and Alaska. This has to be weighed against the rest of the fleet as well. Paradise is the only Fantasy-class ship due in 2021 for a drydock, and technically she is due before Legend. Even without COVID-19, the 2020s was going to be a busy decade for ship retirements. There are just too many ships pushing 30. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linsuesue Posted July 30, 2020 #21 Share Posted July 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, tidecat said: If more cuts are necessary, it may come down to which drydock can be avoided. Carnival Spirit is scheduled for May 29-June 12, 2021. Carnival Pride doesn't have one scheduled yet, but should have one no later than February 2022. Carnival Legend does not have one scheduled, but is due by May 2021. Carnival Miracle is good until 2022 or 2023. Her most recent drydock is in 2020. Legend may be vulnerable due to the 2021 drydock, but it comes down to where Carnival wants to pare back service. The most likely cut would be in San Diego, with Miracle or Pride splitting time between the Caribbean and Alaska. This has to be weighed against the rest of the fleet as well. Paradise is the only Fantasy-class ship due in 2021 for a drydock, and technically she is due before Legend. Even without COVID-19, the 2020s was going to be a busy decade for ship retirements. There are just too many ships pushing 30. That is great information you have! I was thinking that there is typically a Spirit class ship in Alaska. Since Carnival can’t have many visits to Glacier Bay, a very preferred itinerary, that maybe only 1 larger ship would do the Alaska inside passage. It would be a way to cut back without losing that itinerary totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goduckies05 Posted July 30, 2020 #22 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I was very pessimistic about cruising since the beginning of this crisis especially the future of the Fantasy class ships (that I enjoy). As things started to reopen I thought the Fantasy class might have a little hope since I though people would want to sail on smaller ships but it does not look like that will happen. I am afraid in a few years we will have the Royal Carnival lines with a substantially reduced fleet. Keeping the bigger ships makes more sense now especially you can sail with 2k on a 4k max ship and make enough profit to make it, especially with Balconies vs 1k and no Balconies Sent from my SM-G988U using Forums mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goduckies05 Posted July 30, 2020 #23 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I hope they aren’t working their way down to the Spirit class ships! Those are my favorites. They are needed for specific itineraries and also under bridges like Tampa Sent from my SM-G988U using Forums mobile app 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goduckies05 Posted July 30, 2020 #24 Share Posted July 30, 2020 If more cuts are necessary, it may come down to which drydock can be avoided. Carnival Spirit is scheduled for May 29-June 12, 2021. Carnival Pride doesn't have one scheduled yet, but should have one no later than February 2022. Carnival Legend does not have one scheduled, but is due by May 2021. Carnival Miracle is good until 2022 or 2023. Her most recent drydock is in 2020. Legend may be vulnerable due to the 2021 drydock, but it comes down to where Carnival wants to pare back service. The most likely cut would be in San Diego, with Miracle or Pride splitting time between the Caribbean and Alaska. This has to be weighed against the rest of the fleet as well. Paradise is the only Fantasy-class ship due in 2021 for a drydock, and technically she is due before Legend. Even without COVID-19, the 2020s was going to be a busy decade for ship retirements. There are just too many ships pushing 30.You cut san diego, you also cut the highly profitable Alaska cruises out of SF, well they will be once we get going lolSent from my SM-G988U using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purvis1231 Posted July 30, 2020 #25 Share Posted July 30, 2020 51 minutes ago, goduckies05 said: Keeping the bigger ships makes more sense now especially you can sail with 2k on a 4k max ship and make enough profit to make it, especially with Balconies vs 1k and no Balconies Sent from my SM-G988U using Forums mobile app You are right, maybe they will sail with every other cabin filed but I am not sure cruise lines will make enough money at half capacity to stay afloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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