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10 minutes ago, topaz123 said:

Take the Covid test on Monday.....Tuesday results say Negative....Take the test on Wednesday...Thursday's test say Positive.

Unfortunately, that's seems to be how it works.  There seems to be a few days after you get exposed and infected that you will not test positive, or have any symptoms. And those are apparently the days when you are most infectious to others and can spread it.  You will test positive (usually?) when symptoms appears, for a period of a week or two, then you may not test positive any more after your body has recovered (assuming you recover) - though I don't know if you are still contagious at that point (I don't think so, but I can't find any really definitive statements on it).

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7 hours ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

Unfortunately, that's seems to be how it works.  There seems to be a few days after you get exposed and infected that you will not test positive, or have any symptoms. And those are apparently the days when you are most infectious to others and can spread it.  You will test positive (usually?) when symptoms appears, for a period of a week or two, then you may not test positive any more after your body has recovered (assuming you recover) - though I don't know if you are still contagious at that point (I don't think so, but I can't find any really definitive statements on it).

Yes, good points....not so sure a testing for a preboard would do much good, negative test on pre boarding and then a positive test could come on day 2 or 3 during the cruise.

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22 hours ago, topaz123 said:

Yes, good points....not so sure a testing for a preboard would do much good, negative test on pre boarding and then a positive test could come on day 2 or 3 during the cruise.

Exactly - hence the 14 day self-quarentine period.  People get exposed to the virus without knowing, then come down with symptoms (or may by asymptomatic) up to 14 days later.  By then they have exposed an exponential amount of people to the virus- especially in an enclosed environment such as a cruiseship terminal/dining room/showroom/casino/ on a cruiseship.

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On 8/5/2020 at 8:04 AM, topaz123 said:

Take the Covid test on Monday.....Tuesday results say Negative....Take the test on Wednesday...Thursday's test say Positive.

 

More like take a test on Monday and results don't come back until after the cruise.

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4 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

More like take a test on Monday and results don't come back until after the cruise.

 Newer tests' results come back within a few hours or less than 30 minutes.....

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1 minute ago, Cruiseboy06 said:

 Newer tests' results come back within a few hours or less than 30 minutes.....

 

Faster false negatives!!! 

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37 minutes ago, Cruiseboy06 said:

 Newer tests' results come back within a few hours or less than 30 minutes.....

A few hour " might" be reasonably accurate, less than 30 minutes at this stage of testing -No Thanks! 

 

 

 

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When Major League Soccer had its players come to Orlando, the idea was they would be tested before leaving their home city, once upon arrival, and then quarantine for 7 days upon arrival, and then test again-at which point the risk of a false negative would be very close to zero.

 

You can't quite replicate that for a cruise, but I think it may come down to needing two tests - one 48-72 hours before embarkation, and one another 7 days before that. If someone gets infected at the last minute there's not much you can do, but a second negative test would at least uphold the results of the first one.

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i guess they found out no matter how careful, how many tests,  covid gets onboard.  so the next step is to realize its not going anywhere, have pax sign waivers and start it up again.  it will not just go away

Edited by seaman11

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2 hours ago, beerman2 said:

A few hour " might" be reasonably accurate, less than 30 minutes at this stage of testing -No Thanks! 

 

 

 

my father said in texas they are getting results in an hour, no lab,  i find that sketchy/

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The governor of Ohio tested positive earlier today, and later tested negative. I guess that's a push.

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Hopefully, in a few months they can come out with a rapid response test that can also detect the virus before symptoms.  If not, I don't know how they will be able to keep people from boarding the ship who have covid before a vaccine.  Short cruises will make is less likely that people will board with no symptoms and then develop severe symptoms during the cruise, but that doesn't protect the crew.  

It seems like grocery stores like Walmart and Target seem to be able to operate without massive numbers of people coming down with covid.  Very close contact seems to be the spreader.  At this point, I think maybe the virus will either need to run its course or there needs to be a treatment that will render the virus harmless before cruising can start.  I know things will get better and this won't last forever, but it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel while you are still in the middle of the tunnel.  Once there is a safe vaccine, this will be a thing of the past.  

Edited by TNcruising02

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Nothing is going to move forward until we have HERD IMMUNITY, either with a vaccine that has 100% efficacy or everyone gets it and defeats it leaving everyone with natural immunity. It'll still take its toll on the very old and at risk just like the common flu does every year.

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3 minutes ago, glrounds said:

Nothing is going to move forward until we have HERD IMMUNITY, either with a vaccine that has 100% efficacy or everyone gets it and defeats it leaving everyone with natural immunity. It'll still take its toll on the very old and at risk just like the common flu does every year.

 

Unlike flu, C19 doesn't seem to have a season. Like flu, any immunity doesn't last forever. I think the virus will be with us for a long time and mitigation will become the new normal.

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Reading this tread, I am wondering if anyone is watching all the other cruises that have or about to start up?  Especially the river cruises.  Also pre-cruise quarantine for 4 to 7 days prior to cruising at the port will be a chore and expense and it sounds like they did that with the crew in Norway.

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9 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

The governor of Ohio tested positive earlier today, and later tested negative. I guess that's a push.

Exactly and how many times do we retest, until we get the results one "wants" to hear. So now he gets tested again Saturday, 3 tests in 4 days.

 

Cruiseboy6 again NO result in 30 minutes can be safe.

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12 hours ago, seaman11 said:

i guess they found out no matter how careful, how many tests,  covid gets onboard.  so the next step is to realize its not going anywhere, have pax sign waivers and start it up again.  it will not just go away

Signing a waiver is simply NOT what a cruise line will do to protect their crew. 

 

"Sure, let's get everything up and running, let the eager passengers sign waivers, then the skipper can get a full dose on elegant night when he shakes everyone's hands."

 

I love how people think.

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Temp checks help to eliminate less tan 40% of carriers. The large majority of cases are transmitted by n asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic person.

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Just now, simplelife said:

Temp checks help to eliminate less tan 40% of carriers. The large majority of cases are transmitted by n asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic person.

 

A 40% reduction would be welcome considering each carrier infects multiple people. But I doubt anyone currently knows exactly how many people are what. At least in the US.

 

Coughing is another symptom many have.

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