Dire financial predictions from Carnival Corp. Is RCI next?

[JAMESCC]

The problem with that is, the antibodies may wear off.

That is a problem that we aren't quite sure yet about. That is no doubt a problem though.

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[Milwaukee Eight]

14 minutes ago, yogimax said:

Same way you know your stuff.  Actually, better!  Here's a quote from you favorite Dr. Birx,

 

"At an April 7 news conference, Deborah Birx, MD, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said, "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem -- some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death."

 

This is in addition to those who died at home from COVID-19 but were listed as "natural."  In the early days in NYC, there were hundreds in this category.

This refers to other countries and NYC (hundreds in this category).  If someone is under Hospice care, already in most cases a medical care facility, should they be counted as COVID19 death?  Transplant patients in rejection, counted as COVID19? We had a motorcycle accident here that killed the rider and he was counted as COVID19 death. Many of these deaths were going to happen with or without COVID19. 
 

Of course yours is better. You think the scarf lady is my fav?. 😇

 

M8

Edited August 9, 2020 by Milwaukee Eight

[grapau27]

19 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

This refers to other countries and NYC (hundreds in this category).  If someone is under Hospice care, already in most cases a medical care facility, should they be counted as COVID19 death?  Transplant patients in rejection, counted as COVID19? We had a motorcycle accident here that killed the rider and he was counted as COVID19 death. Many of these deaths were going to happen with or without COVID19. 
 

Of course yours is better. You think the scarf lady is my fav?. 😇

 

M8

A member of our church used to work at a hospital and a consultant friend of hers told her when she was in for her cancer check up that any deaths they were told to put covid19 on the death certificate!!!.

[Milwaukee Eight]

5 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

A member of our church used to work at a hospital and a consultant friend of hers told her when she was in for her cancer check up that any deaths they were told to put covid19 on the death certificate!!!.

This is a good fact check for COVID19 Medicare payments and also the uninsured. During the declared emergency order, the Medicare rates are supplemented by 20%. The uninsured are covered as well if they have COVID19 where they would not normally be. 
 

It wouldn’t take much of a pencil pusher to see the value in COVID19 patients, especially the uninsured. 
 

Read the article 

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

[kruzerci]

3 hours ago, drsel said:

I think most of us won't mind paying these extra charges or even losing out on some loyalty perks, because we want to support our favourite Cruise lines, who have given us so much pleasure and such fond memories over the years !

And they certainly need our help and support in this time of crisis

Probably the most naive comment I’ve read this year!

[zalusky]

I don't have any loyalty to a particular cruise line.  I don't even feel a rush to up my loyalty points just to get to a higher tier.

 

What I do know is that it is somewhat impossible to socially distance yourself on most if not all cruise ships .

The hallways are narrow.  The waits in lines to get into most venues.  The elevators can be packed.

Look at how nuts the muster drills are!  It's actually even worse on the older Royal ships.

A lot of ships have nuked the deck 7 promenades so getting around is even messier.

 

And the sweet age range for cruisers is pretty much 55 and higher.  Its even much higher on >7 day cruises.

As a result there are more people that might need to use the elevator.

 

You just can't take land statistics and apply them to cruise ships.   

 

Now one thing I expect the cruise lines to do is have short cruises eventually.   That way the infection to symptoms will not show up while you are on the ship and they can pass it off to land based hospitals.  I fully expect that the initial infection will occur on the ship.

[grapau27]

55 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

This is a good fact check for COVID19 Medicare payments and also the uninsured. During the declared emergency order, the Medicare rates are supplemented by 20%. The uninsured are covered as well if they have COVID19 where they would not normally be. 
 

It wouldn’t take much of a pencil pusher to see the value in COVID19 patients, especially the uninsured. 
 

Read the article 

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

In the UK everyone is treated for free by the NHS even foreign nationals.

[Milwaukee Eight]

18 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

In the UK everyone is treated for free by the NHS even foreign nationals.

So is there any benefit for hospitals  to falsely report COVID19 patients?

 

M8

[Chiliburn]

25 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

In the UK everyone is treated for free by the NHS even foreign nationals.

Thanks for British style government.

We don’t have to think about the cost of getting sick in Australia.

[GarlicBread]

18 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

So is there any benefit for hospitals  to falsely report COVID19 patients?

 

M8

 

Nope, apart from 'winning' at numbers. 

And our local hospital trusts and local news have never reported any deaths as 'from' covid. They've always said 'with' covid or after testing positive.

But some people still have to find something to be dramatic about, especially in lockdown haha! 

[Milwaukee Eight]

16 minutes ago, GarlicBread said:

 

Nope, apart from 'winning' at numbers. 

And our local hospital trusts and local news have never reported any deaths as 'from' covid. They've always said 'with' covid or after testing positive.

But some people still have to find something to be dramatic about, especially in lockdown haha! 

So, in the UK, there is no financial benefit to hospitals to report CV patients?  Are hospitals Government run?

[CSHS1979]

3 hours ago, yogimax said:

And far more who died at home who were simply listed as "natural causes" when they were really from COVID-19.

 

No accurate data on that. Really no different than the counter argument that people dying from other mitigating circumstances being counted in the Covid numbers

[bouhunter]

3 hours ago, zekekelso said:

You guys can argue the numbers all you want. Maybe the real number is a bit higher than the official number. Maybe a bit lower. Doesn’t matter what the exact number is. 
 

what matters is the number is “too damn high for cruising.” And until that changes, none of us are going anywhere. 

This thread started out talking about RCCL financials.  Like almost every thread here now, it soon devolved into death rates, antibodies, etc.   Same thing over and over and over and over in every thread.  I didn't read it all, maybe vaccines haven't come up yet but they are sure too.....

[Milwaukee Eight]

37 minutes ago, bouhunter said:

This thread started out talking about RCCL financials.  Like almost every thread here now, it soon devolved into death rates, antibodies, etc.   Same thing over and over and over and over in every thread.  I didn't read it all, maybe vaccines haven't come up yet but they are sure too.....

Yep. It turned on page 2. Someone gives a CV related number and it’s off to the races. 
 

M8

[yogimax]

5 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

 

Of course yours is better. You think the scarf lady is my fav?. 😇

 

 

Is she?

Edited August 10, 2020 by yogimax

[mpk]

On 8/7/2020 at 10:44 PM, drsel said:

Yes, there will be a lot of cut backs in service and quality of food.

 

I think the menu will be simplified to Chicken or Beef flavor ramen

[The_Big_M]

4 hours ago, Chiliburn said:

Thanks for British style government.

We don’t have to think about the cost of getting sick in Australia.

 

Not sure Labor who introduced it were British style government?

 

And unlike the above, foreign nationals nned to pay for their treatment in local hospitals.

[yogimax]

57 minutes ago, mpk said:

 

I think the menu will be simplified to Chicken or Beef flavor ramen

These will actually be the main menu items In the new Specialty Restaurants...

 

Shanghai Steve's will feature the Beef Ramen

 

Chips will feature the Chicken Ramen.

 

[Chiliburn]

22 minutes ago, The_Big_M said:

 

Not sure Labor who introduced it were British style government?

 

And unlike the above, foreign nationals nned to pay for their treatment in local hospitals.

Well we don’t have a government inherited from the Spanish,French,Portuguese,Italian ,Russians,Chinese or America,do we.

Some foreign governments do have a agreement with our Medicare. From memory UK,Denmark,NZ and I’ve been told (not sure if it’s true) a serving US military is included.
 

[Roger88]

7 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

So is there any benefit for hospitals  to falsely report COVID19 patients?

 

M8

How can thy "falsy" report? There is another problem. Instead  of doing tests and taking you to the hospital, if the docs see that  you might have COVID, they would rather tell you to just lock up at home and not leave it for a few weeks (unless your condition is severe). And, due to this reason, we will never know whether it was COVID or just some flue.. 

[grapau27]

9 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

So is there any benefit for hospitals  to falsely report COVID19 patients?

 

M8

No but lots of cancer operations and outpatient clinics have been closed to concentrate on covid19 even post mortems I understand have been cancelled.

My heart check at hospital was cancelled in April because of covid19.

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by grapau27

[grapau27]

8 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

So, in the UK, there is no financial benefit to hospitals to report CV patients?  Are hospitals Government run?

No.

NHS hospitals are government funded.

There are still private hospitals if you have the £ to get quicker treatment although a lot of NHS patients are sent to private hospitals too.

Several years ago I had keyhole surgery on a torn Knee cartilage in a private hospital through the NHS.

A friend of Pauline had 2 knee replacements done in a private hospital recently funded by the NHS.

Those of us that work pay a National Insurance amount based on our earnings which covers sick pay, Pensions subsidised dental treatment and NHS.

People who don't work get everything free.

Edited August 10, 2020 by grapau27

[TheMastodon]

14 hours ago, JAMESCC said:

That's why we really need a very accurate antibody test and mass test everyone. Something simple, cheap and quick. Who knows who has had this or how many.

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Tough because antibodies are only present for a few months.  Mass testing would be great.  Easier said than done with a population of 320,000,000 + 

 

 

[ipeeinthepool]

2 hours ago, ChC said:

 

Yes the NHS pays or reimburse hospital on treatment. And NHS dictate what drugs they will pay and at what price. So some drugs may not be available in NHS to save one's life as it might not be in NHS's approved drug list. Also in some hospital the budget is tightly controlled, so some patients are turned away (mainly cancer patients) due to lack of specialists, but part of the reason actually is about budgeting which the main stream newspaper is not reporting.

 

Nationalized health care is about rationing available resources which really means rationing health care.  Nationalized health care doesn't sound attractive to me.  The Detroit area has lots of independent health care diagnostic testing facilities and many of their patients are from Canada because they can't get timely tests for many conditions.  Once they get diagnosed they can more easily get care in Canada.  Limiting diagnostic facilities seems to be one of the ways Canada has chosen to ration health care.

[Milwaukee Eight]

6 hours ago, Roger88 said:

How can thy "falsy" report? 

ICD-10

U07.1 - Positive test

U07.1 - No test but clinical identified, suspected. 
 

Google it

 

M8