terrierjohn Posted October 13, 2020 #401 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, wowzz said: Just read the answer to the question "What if there is an outbreak of CV19 on board?". A total non-answer, total ignoring the question, and giving no specific details at all. But there was a comment about separate quarantine cabins for isolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted October 13, 2020 #402 Share Posted October 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: But there was a comment about separate quarantine cabins for isolation. It was a very short answer, but did nothing to reassure me. Once someone is in quarantine fine, but what about the people they have been in contact with? Avril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No pager thank you Posted October 13, 2020 #403 Share Posted October 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, purplesea said: I think it is unfair of P&O to say that cancellation is subject to their standard policy, if those conditions are not acceptable to people. I agree, however I have feared that they would do this for some time. The "extra cabin credit" has gone, as has the principle of any compensation for losing the flexibilities associated with a select price booking. Clearly, they have been advised that they can change the holidays fundamentally without giving cause for a refund of the deposit: Likely outcomes now: 1) Non Carnival lines (Saga, Fred etc) will pick up P&O business because they will be able to "outbid" P&O on flexibility and reasonableness when it comes to customer service. Potentially on value for money too. 2) People with outstanding FCCs will probably go for refunds in greater number now, due to the insurance point in particular. Holiday Extras will / do not cover some pre existing medical conditions. Who knows when the underwriting risk will change? 3) 2022 summer launch will be a damp squib beyond the customers who are determined to book P&O, come what may. Lots of deposits being transferred from 2021 when balances become due again. However, what I will say is that it is good - finally, belatedly, that they have said something. Everyone knows that the pig is a pig now and can choose accordingly 🐖 even though there are a few porkie pies by omission...🤷 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel57 Posted October 13, 2020 #404 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: It was a very short answer, but did nothing to reassure me. Once someone is in quarantine fine, but what about the people they have been in contact with? Avril I agree Avril. P&O are completely ignoring that important question which is being asked time and time again on you know where.... Edited October 13, 2020 by Angel57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 13, 2020 #405 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Adawn47 said: It was a very short answer, but did nothing to reassure me. Once someone is in quarantine fine, but what about the people they have been in contact with? Avril Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No pager thank you Posted October 13, 2020 #406 Share Posted October 13, 2020 ...such as the protocol for managing an onboard outbreak is known, as it is said, but is not shared in the FAQ. ...neither is the tours/excursions point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 13, 2020 #407 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Looks like there are now a lot of angry people on the other site now, outnumbering the sycophants. Peter Dagnell, who sends out the guides, and is a P&O stalwart, has written a long, reasoned post, commenting on the way the proposed changes will make the cruising experience totally different to the one he has booked, and has basically been told by P&O to sod off Lots of unhappy people out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 13, 2020 #408 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Molecrochip - any idea how the angry responses on the official P&O site are being viewed in Southampton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel57 Posted October 13, 2020 #409 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, wowzz said: Looks like there are now a lot of angry people on the other site now, outnumbering the sycophants. Peter Dagnell, who sends out the guides, and is a P&O stalwart, has written a long, reasoned post, commenting on the way the proposed changes will make the cruising experience totally different to the one he has booked, and has basically been told by P&O to sod off Lots of unhappy people out there. I saw that post Wowzz and was very surprised how disappointed / unhappy he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 13, 2020 #410 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: It was a very short answer, but did nothing to reassure me. Once someone is in quarantine fine, but what about the people they have been in contact with? Avril If they show symptoms they would be quarantined, if not they are safe to continue, you surely dont want another Diamond Princess fiasco? Edited October 13, 2020 by terrierjohn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 13, 2020 #411 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: If they show symptoms they would be quarantined, if not they are safe to continue, you surely dont want another Diamond Princess fiasco? If you quarantine anyone with symptoms, surely you have to quarantine everybody, crew or passenger, that they have been in contact with. How do you do that, short of putting the whole ship in lock down? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted October 13, 2020 #412 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I’m so glad I took all my P&O refunds as cash now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No pager thank you Posted October 13, 2020 #413 Share Posted October 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said: I’m so glad I took all my P&O refunds as cash now. Same here ... the 25% bonus looks anything but right now. Pay more, get less. No one has been able to actually benefit from a FCC yet. Most of the cash has been banked and/or spent on something else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermotsgirl Posted October 13, 2020 #414 Share Posted October 13, 2020 55 minutes ago, wowzz said: If you quarantine anyone with symptoms, surely you have to quarantine everybody, crew or passenger, that they have been in contact with. How do you do that, short of putting the whole ship in lock down? They would need a ship wide track and trace system, similar to what we have ashore ( but much more efficient than we currently have ashore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 13, 2020 #415 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, wowzz said: If you quarantine anyone with symptoms, surely you have to quarantine everybody, crew or passenger, that they have been in contact with. How do you do that, short of putting the whole ship in lock down? I rather believe that the main reason for testing passengers prior to boarding, observing social distancing, mask wearing and only dining with members of your own party, is to ensure that infections are not passed onto other passengers and crew members otherwise why bother with all that stuff. Edited October 13, 2020 by terrierjohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 13, 2020 #416 Share Posted October 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: I rather believe that the main reason for testing passengers prior to boarding, observing social distancing, mask wearing and only dining with members of your own party, is to ensure that infections are not passed onto other passengers and crew members otherwise why bother with all that stuff. Yes indeed, but what happens when, inevitably, there is a case of CV19 onboard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 13, 2020 #417 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, wowzz said: Yes indeed, but what happens when, inevitably, there is a case of CV19 onboard? You just have to hope that it's not your cruise that it happens.😇 But more seriously, I expect that only the couple or family would initially be quarantined, and if the other precautions have been successful, then it should not have spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermotsgirl Posted October 13, 2020 #418 Share Posted October 13, 2020 59 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: You just have to hope that it's not your cruise that it happens.😇 But more seriously, I expect that only the couple or family would initially be quarantined, and if the other precautions have been successful, then it should not have spread. When we are ashore, if we are informed that we are a contact of someone who has tested positive, we have to immediately self isolate for 14 days , so it should be the same on board. As a ship is a closed community where viruses can spread easily, it’d be essential that contacts were identified and told to self isolate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 13, 2020 #419 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said: When we are ashore, if we are informed that we are a contact of someone who has tested positive, we have to immediately self isolate for 14 days , so it should be the same on board. As a ship is a closed community where viruses can spread easily, it’d be essential that contacts were identified and told to self isolate. Absolutely, which is why we need to know what P&O will do when a case is discovered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 13, 2020 #420 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, terrierjohn said: You just have to hope that it's not your cruise that it happens.😇 But more seriously, I expect that only the couple or family would initially be quarantined, and if the other precautions have been successful, then it should not have spread. John, sorry, do you seriously think that by quarantining one family or couple , that will be enough? There is no way that the authorities will release a ship full of potentially infected passengers back into the UK unless they have either all been tested, or all been quarantined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 13, 2020 #421 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, wowzz said: Absolutely, which is why we need to know what P&O will do when a case is discovered. I keep telling you what they have outlined in their protocols, just because you don't believe they will work does not make them invalid, unless you have suddenly developed mystical powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 13, 2020 #422 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, wowzz said: John, sorry, do you seriously think that by quarantining one family or couple , that will be enough? There is no way that the authorities will release a ship full of potentially infected passengers back into the UK unless they have either all been tested, or all been quarantined. Why do you not believe that social distancing, wearing masks in busy areas, and dining only with family/party members will protect the other passengers and crew? You presumably follow these practices at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 13, 2020 #423 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, terrierjohn said: I keep telling you what they have outlined in their protocols, just because you don't believe they will work does not make them invalid, unless you have suddenly developed mystical powers. Fair enough. But why will they not say what they will do when they get a case of CV19 on board? Yes, they will stick the infectious person in an isolation cabin, but what about, for example, all the waiters who will have served that person during the incubation period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 13, 2020 #424 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, terrierjohn said: Why do you not believe that social distancing, wearing masks in busy areas, and dining only with family/party members will protect the other passengers and crew? You presumably follow these practices at present. See my reply about infecting wait staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 13, 2020 #425 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, wowzz said: Fair enough. But why will they not say what they will do when they get a case of CV19 on board? Yes, they will stick the infectious person in an isolation cabin, but what about, for example, all the waiters who will have served that person during the incubation period. WE dont know what they plan for waiters, maybe they will wear masks, and I have never known a waiter take 15 minutes to serve one person, which is what the App allows you to be in close proximity, before it flags you up as a close contact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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