latserrof Posted November 14, 2020 #101 Share Posted November 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, ATG said: As a retired FSA, I never thought I would see the SOA mentioned on this site. Yeah, what are the odds? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted November 14, 2020 #102 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Ocean Boy said: I agree that it would not have helped those traveling together. My point is I want to know how many positives there need to be, do they need to be unrelated cases, etc. before a lockdown occurs. It will take a lot more information than just a ship sailing out of Ft. Lauderdale to get me aboard. 1 hour ago, KirkNC said: The answer is one. Is this your opinion, or you've seen this somewhere? is this just for Sea Dream, because I've not seen a definition of the "trigger level" that the CDC said is necessary for a full ship quarantine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latserrof Posted November 14, 2020 #103 Share Posted November 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, mek said: I'm not sure about group 5. If the price was right I think there are a lot of younger people who would, but would that be beneficial to the cruise line? No, because those are the folks most likely to contract and spread the virus -- big problem for cruise lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted November 14, 2020 #104 Share Posted November 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, latserrof said: Without knowing how or when the virus was transmitted to those infected, you cannot possibly tell whether masking would have made a difference. But it probably would not have hurt. When I think of people traveling together I think of my family. We live in the same house, drive in the same car, fly on the same plane, eat together on the ship, some of us sleep in the same cabin. I think I can make an educated guess on how much help a mask would provide. But I do agree, it would not hurt. As you may recall my comment was about the folks travelling together not about speading anything around the ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelhound Posted November 14, 2020 #105 Share Posted November 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Biker19 said: CEO Fain himself mentioned it that cruising is safer than being on Main St. If you believe the one report from Tui MS6 being false positive (initial Greek lab messed up the testing and said there ~6 positive results), there have been zero cases in their sailings since they restarted in late July. I submit that zero cases while cruising (regardless of how low that number of customers it represents) compared to land based numbers just about anywhere (except maybe some magical zip code with zero cases) is safer/better. Yup, cruise ships are safer than most hotels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkNC Posted November 14, 2020 #106 Share Posted November 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: Is this your opinion, or you've seen this somewhere? is this just for Sea Dream, because I've not seen a definition of the "trigger level" that the CDC said is necessary for a full ship quarantine. Page 33 in the CDC CSC item a. Says based on a threshold as determined by CDC. My opinion is that threshold is any out break or one passenger or crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jean87510 Posted November 14, 2020 #107 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, livingonthebeach said: I already got railed at by someone for bringing this case up. It was to show why one of the politicians involved in urging the CDC to impose the NSO, had an axe to grind against the cruise industry. But you are right, the canopy was where the blood stains were found. It was also reported that while they were in Greece, the couple smuggled the liquor Absinthe onboard. Absinthe is a very powerful spirit which they were drinking along with having drinks at the bars with people they had just met. You weren't railed. I pointed out the difference between the 2. Safety issues for a virus isnt the same thing as this case. A few years ago either Dateline or 20/20 did an interesting episode on this case. Not to go off subject but its pretty crazy. I did take a picture of the door when i was on the brilliance last year. Edited November 14, 2020 by jean87510 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted November 14, 2020 #108 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, jean87510 said: You weren't railed. I pointed out the difference between the 2. Safety issues for a virus isnt the same thing as this case. I personally dont rely nor trust senators or anyone in the government with special interest groups to pander to opinions or expertise on medical matters. Especially when we all see the double standards. A few years ago either Dateline or 20/20 did an interesting episode on this case. Not to go off subject but its pretty crazy. Again, the reason I brought it up in the first place, if you read my initial post correctly, was to point out the history of why this particular senator had an agenda concerning the CDC NSO. You incorrectly interpreted it and stated I wanted to equate the two incidents, which was not at all my intention. I'm very well aware that there are big differences between the two. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelblu Posted November 14, 2020 #109 Share Posted November 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, jean87510 said: You weren't railed. I pointed out the difference between the 2. Safety issues for a virus isnt the same thing as this case. A few years ago either Dateline or 20/20 did an interesting episode on this case. Not to go off subject but its pretty crazy. I did take a picture of the door when i was on the brilliance last year. Not to go off the subject, but what was their conclusion after so many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelhound Posted November 14, 2020 #110 Share Posted November 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Biker19 said: https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23778-royal-caribbean-ships-can-be-safer-than-main-street.html That's good information. Most cruise ships will be safer than staying in a hotel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howiefrommd Posted November 14, 2020 #111 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, firefly333 said: The liberals here in dallas want to lock down further and have dire predictions. They wrote to the governor to lock down now., currently if we have 15% I think of beds? for 7 days straight we add lock down measures. We are at 12% of whatever it is they are measuring. They arent even close to cruising imo. All I hear is lock it down NOW. Only El Paso is in lock down I think in texas. I dont know if it's possible to hit herd immunity if people are back and forth across the border every day. Glad it's a 12 hour drive from here to El Paso. I heard New Mexico added lock down measures next door to texas. Interesting to read your post. Was just talking to a colleague who is an ICU Intensivist (I knew him as a resident) and he is in Arlington, Texas (which I think is by Dallas) and he said that what he is experiencing in the ICUs (with COVID patients) made his time in Vietnam look like a joke. The death, desperation, lack of physicians and nurses is terrifying to him. He said in a few more weeks, they will need morgue trailers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelhound Posted November 14, 2020 #112 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 hours ago, atgood said: 1.4 million died worldwide with TB in 2019, and people aren’t freaking out about it either. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis Notice how the media doesn’t include much context with the recent spike in CV cases, just the # of cases. The people we know who’ve had it recovered in a week (or less), and stayed home for another week as a precaution. I think some would like the CV to drag out for at least another year. Good point. It's helpful to put this virus into proper context. Thankfully, with a successful vaccine to be distributed soon, we can start to flatten the fear 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted November 14, 2020 #113 Share Posted November 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, nelblu said: Not to go off the subject, but what was their conclusion after so many years. A settlement was paid to the Smith family. FBI dropped the case. https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/royal-caribbean-awards-family-missing-passenger-13-million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted November 14, 2020 #114 Share Posted November 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, KirkNC said: Page 33 in the CDC CSC item a. Says based on a threshold as determined by CDC. My opinion is that threshold is any out break or one passenger or crew. If the number was one, why would they require a number of cabins for isolation of infected people and a number of cabins for quarantine to be set aside? If they wanted to say it would be one case, they could easily have said that, and left off a whole lot of verbiage. Just like they do for the VSP, they are setting out a incremental response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mworkman Posted November 14, 2020 #115 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, nelblu said: Not to joke about people dying, but hundreds were dying prior to Covid. Does anyone know what the average mortality rate in the US prior and during Covid. Source..https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/deaths.htm Edited November 14, 2020 by mworkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mworkman Posted November 14, 2020 #116 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, yogimax said: Well said! This is not a joke. Hundreds are dying every day. We love cruising and look forward to being on an RCCL ship again. Sadly, we need to affirm that the situation is worsening, not getting better or "turning a corner." This is the time for a reality check. We need to stop the spread of the virus now. The sooner we act, the sooner we will be back on Oasis of the Seas! Well based on this article along with sources documented, there's been no increase of deaths as the medial would like you to believe. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-death-count-stable/partly-false-claim-overall-u-s-death-count-remains-stable-versus-previous-years-hinting-covid-19-not-as-deadly-as-feared-idUSKBN22Q2MT Edited November 14, 2020 by mworkman 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocl Posted November 14, 2020 #117 Share Posted November 14, 2020 6 hours ago, nelblu said: Not to joke about people dying, but hundreds were dying prior to Covid. Does anyone know what the average mortality rate in the US prior and during Covid. there are studies comparing the pre covid mortality rate to post covid. Up through september of this year the mortality was higher with documented covid cases accounting for about 2/3 of the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandgeezer Posted November 14, 2020 #118 Share Posted November 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, mworkman said: Well based on this article along with sources documented, there's been no increase of deaths as the medial would like you to believe. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-death-count-stable/partly-false-claim-overall-u-s-death-count-remains-stable-versus-previous-years-hinting-covid-19-not-as-deadly-as-feared-idUSKBN22Q2MT Check the date on the article, it's May 14, 2020. I'm sure things have changed since then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mworkman Posted November 14, 2020 #119 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, grandgeezer said: Check the date on the article, it's May 14, 2020. I'm sure things have changed since then. No drastic change since then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelblu Posted November 14, 2020 #120 Share Posted November 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, nocl said: there are studies comparing the pre covid mortality rate to post covid. Up through september of this year the mortality was higher with documented covid cases accounting for about 2/3 of the difference. Can you post link to one of the studies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted November 14, 2020 #121 Share Posted November 14, 2020 From the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mworkman Posted November 14, 2020 #122 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, nelblu said: Can you post link to one of the studies. Here is just a quick link showing daily mortality rate in the US...with Covid & influenza... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocl Posted November 14, 2020 #123 Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, nelblu said: Can you post link to one of the studies. I could except I am in the process of moving and not on my computer where I have the links. If I don't post something today I will tomorrow when I get access to my computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelhound Posted November 14, 2020 #124 Share Posted November 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, grandgeezer said: Check the date on the article, it's May 14, 2020. I'm sure things have changed since then. And things will continue to change, as a successful vaccine is distributed. Soon we will start to flatten the fear 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocl Posted November 14, 2020 #125 Share Posted November 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, nelblu said: Can you post link to one of the studies. here is an example that references aan academic study. will try and find the actual study tomorrow. you can find a number just do google search US death rate 2019 vs 2020 https://www.hcplive.com/view/excess-deaths-us-increased-covid-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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