Do you think Carnival will move its homeport?

[seaman11]

Seems silly to keep waiting on the cdc imo.

They are too scared to take any blame if something goes wrong. What do you think they are waiting for? 

[phoneman69]

13 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Seems silly to keep waiting on the cdc imo.

They are too scared to take any blame if something goes wrong. What do you think they are waiting for? 

There waiting for the man on top to lick his finger hold it up in the wind and decide the times are changing and cruising maybe ok.

[Jasonsterling]

39 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Seems silly to keep waiting on the cdc imo.

They are too scared to take any blame if something goes wrong. What do you think they are waiting for? 

I do think its a really big decision and a lot of their passengers drive to port as opposed to flying and the line being a more competitive price may to a greater part than other lines attract families that can't necessarily afford the extra- 2000 or even more (probably more) for a family of four to fly to say Cozumel or if they did afford the airfare might spend less on board. There's a wide variety of logistical factors to also consider when it comes to supplying their ships tied to negotiating permission to homeport elsewhere. Say Mexico, what if they insist on a one year or two year homeport lease and contract to homeport out of Cozumel and by September the CDC drops their mandate. Does Carnival eat the loss moving back to the U.S. or see it through at the new homeport risking their customer base forgoing the new port as they can now go back to driving in the U.S. and on and on. It's not an easy answer.  

Edited April 18, 2021 by Jasonsterling

[topaz123]

Hopefully, to someplace close like Nassau. 50% of all Americans have had at least one shot, yet the CDC continues to slow walk the return, Europe cruising, Asia cruising while CDC keeps moving the goal post. Enough already....

[BlerkOne]

Carnival Corp does have cruise ships operating in other parts of the world, but Americans aren't welcome - I think for good reason.

 

The CDC has an unenviable job of trying to balance the task of managing a pandemic while also dealing with adults who act like children.

[seaman11]

11 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Carnival Corp does have cruise ships operating in other parts of the world, but Americans aren't welcome - I think for good reason.

 

The CDC has an unenviable job of trying to balance the task of managing a pandemic while also dealing with adults who act like children.

Well that doesnt help Americans cruise.  the demand is there 50 percent of all adults are now vaccinated fully in the US.  Other businesses are open . lets get this going. but ok CDC wants to play it slow, so move on to a close home port already, the other lines have done so. 

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, seaman11 said:

Well that doesnt help Americans cruise.  the demand is there 50 percent of all adults are now vaccinated fully in the US.  Other businesses are open . lets get this going. but ok CDC wants to play it slow, so move on to a close home port already, the other lines have done so. 

Even if the CDC dropped the CSO tomorrow, Carnival Corp couldn't cruise from the US. They still have to satisfy the judgement against them.

 

Carnival has likely figured out it would be a losing proposition for them to move their ships. They have enough other brands that can cruise the Carribean and this might be a good time for them to introduce Americans to the other brands.

[HaveWeMetYet]

Cruising out of Caribbean ports would be too expensive. It would require a 100 per cent fly in sending airline pricing algorithms into 1000+ dollar fares. Most ports are still closed anyway. 

Covid is ramping to new highs worldwide and CDC is not about to let up now.

Time to give it up for 2021 out of US.

[Illbcruzn4life]

26 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Well that doesnt help Americans cruise.  the demand is there 50 percent of all adults are now vaccinated fully in the US.  Other businesses are open . lets get this going. but ok CDC wants to play it slow, so move on to a close home port already, the other lines have done so. 

 

Where did you come up with that number? I think the number is about half that.

[BlerkOne]

Even though the supply is there, demand for vaccine in the US is dropping. I think something like 40% of republicans are saying no thanks. I think that means over 100% of everyone else will need to be vaccinated to get us to herd immunity 

[May1cruiser]

its a 50-50 shot. I would think Bahamas would make the most logical start point. Cozumel has a pier but it would seem weak infrastructure, unless they have been preparing. Also, Barbados was an existing start for the southern itinerary. I do agree the flights would be a cost barrier unless the travel industry builds some partnership to help passengers to non US ports. Think of how casinos have charter flights..... I could see Orlando or Miami as a hub, drive to there and short flight to Bahamas or a few hours to Cozumel. I am sure this is less than ideal, but need to fill some staterooms at some point. 

[Banditswife]

I do not understand why getting on a ship is worse than getting on a packed airplane virus wise.  In my area of the country, anyone wanting the vaccine has had the opportunity to at least get the 1st dose.  

[Moviela]

The chance of Carnival porting anywhere near the USA is a non-starter. There is no supply chain in the Caribbean to service the large passenger ships. Available provisions and transportation is too thin support much more than a top off of the marshalling area of the ships. Mardi Gras would have no place to get LNG to fuel it. 

 

You need to put pressure on your lawmakers to get this resolved. The pot is about to boil over, and no member of Congress wants to offend any significant number of voters. Many lawmakers have had it over the moustache with the malarkey from the chief waffler Fauci, and the sooner he goes, the faster we can get back to normal. 

[Moviela]

2 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

Even if the CDC dropped the CSO tomorrow, Carnival Corp couldn't cruise from the US. They still have to satisfy the judgement against them.

 

 

 

Worry is just interest on problems you do not have yet. I don't think the double-secret probation will be a factor in resuming operations. Carnival has hired a compliance officer that reports to the CEO and has a budget and portfolio for mandated requirements of the Court. Hopefully the training will change the culture among the crews that adherence to environmental laws is paramount in their daily routine. Some components of the Court's order cannot be accomplished because the pandemic makes it impossible to obtain required spares in the quantity specified, and the inability of outside maintenance engineers and inspectors to board the vessels. Law and equity does not punish people for things beyond their control. 

[BlerkOne]

14 minutes ago, Moviela said:

You need to put pressure on your lawmakers to get this resolved. The pot is about to boil over, and no member of Congress wants to offend any significant number of voters. Many lawmakers have had it over the moustache with the malarkey from the chief waffler Fauci, and the sooner he goes, the faster we can get back to normal. 

No, you need to put pressure on the cruise lines to put forth more than a feeble attempt to satisfy CDC requirements. NCL is the only one so far, but I haven't read their proposal. To sit on their hands and complain about the CDC is on par with people who pretend to not know how to wear a mask. It's time to put your big boy/girl pants on and act like an adult.

[BlerkOne]

3 minutes ago, Moviela said:

 

Worry is just interest on problems you do not have yet. I don't think the double-secret probation will be a factor in resuming operations. Carnival has hired a compliance officer that reports to the CEO and has a budget and portfolio for mandated requirements of the Court. Hopefully the training will change the culture among the crews that adherence to environmental laws is paramount in their daily routine. Some components of the Court's order cannot be accomplished because the pandemic makes it impossible to obtain required spares in the quantity specified, and the inability of outside maintenance engineers and inspectors to board the vessels. Law and equity does not punish people for things beyond their control. 

I doubt the pandemic excuse will work - Carnival had years to come into compliance. The last words of the court indicated Carnival had made progress, but still had a long way to go. You really can't blame the staff or training. I have little doubt they did as they were told.

[Moviela]

2 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

No, you need to put pressure on the cruise lines to put forth more than a feeble attempt to satisfy CDC requirements. 

I am not sure how any cruise line can submit a coherent plan? The CDC has not issued the full set of technical instructions for the companies to formulate a plan.  

[BlerkOne]

6 minutes ago, Moviela said:

I am not sure how any cruise line can submit a coherent plan? The CDC has not issued the full set of technical instructions for the companies to formulate a plan.  

They can start with copying the procedures from one of the cruise lines that are successfully cruising. How hard is that? They know they will have to do test cruises before the next phase.

[tqc_cruiser]

No. I don't think Carnival will move their home port. The costs to do so would be tremendous and I don't think Carnival believes the costs would be justified.  I really believe that at this point we are months, at most, away from a resumption of sailing from U.S. ports.  

 

As others have said, there are huge logistics issues with moving. 

[tidecat]

In terms of the Carnival brand, I would not be surprised to see Australia come back online first. The entire country has 155 active cases - if crew can be vaccinated, it should be feasible to do "cruises to nowhere" relying on testing of passengers prior to embarking, and proper response plans to any positive tests onboard. Domestic cruising could follow, and then opening up with New Zealand. That said, Australia is in no hurry to open its borders. As far as I know, only 3 Carnival ships have Australian power ports: Splendor, Spirit, and Legend. Of course, that doesn't count P&O Cruises Australia.

 

That said, concentrating on P&O-UK, Cunard, Costa, and AIDA might be better options right now. Probably need all of them and one of Princess or HAL operating at 50% capacity (by lower berths) to cover the entire fleet's operating costs. And it might be worth selling off some older ships (Ecstasy, Sensation) if the US isn't online in any capacity come November 1.

[harkinmr]

5 hours ago, seaman11 said:

Well that doesnt help Americans cruise.  the demand is there 50 percent of all adults are now vaccinated fully in the US.  Other businesses are open . lets get this going. but ok CDC wants to play it slow, so move on to a close home port already, the other lines have done so. 

50% of all adults are not fully vaccinated. About 25% are fully vaccinated. And vaccinations are only a factor in a restart to the extent that cruise lines mandate them. Carnival has said they will not.  People need to be better informed.  The cruise line heads met with the CDC at the White House on April 12th. A restart is only going to happen within the framework under the CSO.  They are working together at this point. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by harkinmr

[seaman11]

12 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

50% of all adults are not fully vaccinated. About 25% are fully vaccinated. And vaccinations are only a factor in a restart to the extent that cruise lines mandate them. Carnival has said they will not.  People need to be better informed.  The cruise line heads met with the CDC at the White House on April 12th. A restart is only going to happen within the framework under the CSO.  They are working together at this point. 

Excuse me , you are correct 50% have had at least 1 shot which are about 80% effective .  However what im speaking on is moving the home port to take the cdc out of the equation.   We dont need to be better informed . Its up to Carnival to realize the cdc will stall because they like canada would like to play it safe. 

[harkinmr]

9 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Excuse me , you are correct 50% have had at least 1 shot which are about 80% effective .  However what im speaking on is moving the home port to take the cdc out of the equation.   We dont need to be better informed . Its up to Carnival to realize the cdc will stall because they like canada would like to play it safe. 

My “better informed “ comment had to do with being aware that a meeting between the CDC and execs occurred a week ago and talks on the restart are progressing. It’s not accurate to say that nothing is happening.  I don’t think Carnival wants to move outside the US because their customer base may not be willing to travel to a cruise outside the country. We’ll see. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by harkinmr

[jperry2011]

I hope they do change homeports at this time for the rest of the year or so. The CDC is just playing politics at this time. High risk people are vaccinated or have atleast been given the chance to get vaccinated. 

99% survival rate BEFORE the vaccines..

What's really going on here?

Look at where your tax money is actually going in these stimulus bills and you'll see.

[RWolver672]

Can you imagine what it would cost Carnival to move it's home port.  They would have to build terminals to hold and facilitate the handling of passengers and their luggage.  Hire and train  employees to handle luggage and load supplies.  Are any of the piers even set up for something like that?  

 

Most US ports that we've sailed from, you aren't any where near where they load supplies.  In the Caribbean, you would have passengers walking down the same pier that has lift trucks going back and forth loading the ship.  That's just asking for trouble.

 

Speaking of supplies, it would cost Carnival an arm and a leg to stock the ship with food, spirits, fuel,  etc.  Those islands get their supplies from mostly the US.  Now that has to be shipped to the islands at a cost.  That cost would reflect what Carnival would now have to pay for those supplies.