A workaround for the Florida does not allow businesses to ask for proof of vaccine problem for cruise lines

[CI66774]

7 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

I am not sure an unvaccinated person would even want to attend an event where they were charged nearly $1,000 more than someone who was vaccinated.  What's the next move?  Putting scales at the entrance of buffets and charging someone more for every pound they are overweight?  Charging smokers to enter casinos?  Charging alcoholics more to enter a bar?

A person who has had covid could have the same immunities, or even more, than a person who is vaccinated.  How is that fair to treat the person with covid immunities differently?  The entire thing is ridiculous, but there are those who are fine with it.

What if businesses charge more for people who are HIV positive? This whole thing is getting ridiculous. How about weighing people to get on planes and charging the chubbies more because they use more fuel, etc? Craziness.

[CI66774]

12 hours ago, Moviela said:

Carnival has said they are not requiring vaccinations. That was in the past. Now if you want to cruise to Alaska, you need proof of vaccination. Does anyone else see a camel's nose under the tent? I predict the whole camel will be asking for proof of vaccinations company wide. 

They’re only doin it because the statute requires it.

[TNcruising02]

2 minutes ago, CI66774 said:

What if businesses charge more for people who are HIV positive? This whole thing is getting ridiculous. How about weighing people to get on planes and charging the chubbies more because they use more fuel, etc? Craziness.

Exactly.  Some vaccinated people are fine with being treated better when it fits their agenda, but never consider how discrimination might go against them if they were treated differently.  I can see letting vaccinated people sit in an area where they can remove their masks and not socially distance.  But charging more for the unvaccinated is discrimination.  There should always be accommodations for those who have health issues, which apparently many consider being unvaccinated a health issue even though many have had covid and have immunities.

Edited May 31, 2021 by TNcruising02

[kdr69]

To V or not to V, that is the question? 😉

[TNcruising02]

27 minutes ago, kdr69 said:

To V or not to V, that is the question? 😉

We like to travel and never had covid, so it was an easy decision for us.  My husband and I are fully vaccinated and ready to roll.  What other people do isn't my concern.  I am not depending on their actions to protect myself.

[TerReuv]

1 hour ago, TNcruising02 said:

Exactly.  Some vaccinated people are fine with being treated better when it fits their agenda, but never consider how discrimination might go against them if they were treated differently.  I can see letting vaccinated people sit in an area where they can remove their masks and not socially distance.  But charging more for the unvaccinated is discrimination.  There should always be accommodations for those who have health issues, which apparently many consider being unvaccinated a health issue even though many have had covid and have immunities.

 

Those who are vaccinated shouldn't be required to wear face masks on a cruise if they don't have to on land.  If those who are unvaccinated don't wear a mask, it is of no concern to those who are vaccinated.  My problem is making everyone wear a mask when it isn't required for a vaccinated person.  That is the other extreme.  Just don't require masks, period.  Those who aren't vaccinated will be the ones taking the risk and if that is a risk they wish to take, then let them.

[sm3ds]

Isn't Carnival supposed to announce their protocols by May 31 or did they change that?

 

 

[bamaone]

6 minutes ago, sm3ds said:

Isn't Carnival supposed to announce their protocols by May 31 or did they change that?

 

 

It will be great if they do. Then we can end these idiotic ideas of how “certain” U.S. citizens need to be treated. It’s embarrassing to read how much we’ve forgotten about the history of our existence as a country.

[lobster1313]

20 minutes ago, sm3ds said:

Isn't Carnival supposed to announce their protocols by May 31 or did they change that?

 

 

There was an announcement from Carnival that the CDC sent out changes to the guidance for the cruise lines so they had to hold off on releasing the guidelines. 

[sm3ds]

3 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

There was an announcement from Carnival that the CDC sent out changes to the guidance for the cruise lines so they had to hold off on releasing the guidelines. 

I guess I can hold off on giving Carnival any money then. 

[ericfromri]

2 hours ago, CI66774 said:

Um, no one, I mean no one has purchased the higher price tix. Colossal fail.

and hopefully the same result with all the unvaxxed people. dont want the shot,  thats fine,   just dont expect to go to higher risk activities.

[lobster1313]

4 minutes ago, sm3ds said:

I guess I can hold off on giving Carnival any money then. 

They said this week. I have a final payment for September due on June 6th and would prefer to use FCC from my July cruise if it gets cancelled.

[sanger727]

I agree with premise that having an unvaccinated "surcharge" will probably be illegal. But many businesses in my area have advertised vaccinated "discounts". I don't see why that would be a problem. Discounts are legal and often don't apply to everyone. So insanely raise prices and offer a $500 pp vaccinated discount. Not sure how that is different than their VIFP, casino, military, etc discounts. Only some people qualify and that's ok. 

[BlerkOne]

3 hours ago, CI66774 said:

What if businesses charge more for people who are HIV positive? This whole thing is getting ridiculous. How about weighing people to get on planes and charging the chubbies more because they use more fuel, etc? Craziness.

What about by political affiliation? It is only crazy if you are on the wrong side.

[jetsfan58]

2 hours ago, TNcruising02 said:

We like to travel and never had covid, so it was an easy decision for us.  My husband and I are fully vaccinated and ready to roll.  What other people do isn't my concern.  I am not depending on their actions to protect myself.

However their actions might stop us all from Cruising any time soon. Their continued refusal to get vaccinated is contributing to the ongoing nature of the Virus. It's certainly their rights as American Adult Citizens to get vaccinated. It's also my right to sat it is "Wrong" to jeopardize the lives of others.   

[lobster1313]

19 minutes ago, jetsfan58 said:

However their actions might stop us all from Cruising any time soon. Their continued refusal to get vaccinated is contributing to the ongoing nature of the Virus. It's certainly their rights as American Adult Citizens to get vaccinated. It's also my right to sat it is "Wrong" to jeopardize the lives of others.   

Hope about the people who have recovered. EU treats them the same way as vaccinated for free travel since all the latest research says.

[lobster1313]

5 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

I would say cruise in Europe, but AFAIK, Americans aren't allowed. And, of course, Florida doesn't allow proof of recovery documentation or vaccination documentation.

We're not allowed now but that will change. They are doing at the EU level and then allowing the individual nations to make the decisions based on what works for the individual countries.  

[BlerkOne]

5 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

We're not allowed now but that will change. They are doing at the EU level and then allowing the individual nations to make the decisions based on what works for the individual countries.  

Yes. VACCINATED Americans will be allowed in this summer.

[harkinmr]

1 hour ago, regoodwinjr said:

Hope about the people who have recovered. EU treats them the same way as vaccinated for free travel since all the latest research says.

For documented COVID recovery within the past 90 days only. Not for some indefinite period of time. 

[lobster1313]

9 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

For documented COVID recovery within the past 90 days only. Not for some indefinite period of time. 

180 days 

[harkinmr]

19 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

180 days 

I see that 180 days was reported today as the latest EU proposal for certain member countries. The US would not fall under that standard, but vaccinated Americans would be allowed on a country by country basis.  It still does not mean that prior infection provides an unlimited waiver.  Nor should it. 

[Etta1213]

6 hours ago, CI66774 said:

What if businesses charge more for people who are HIV positive? This whole thing is getting ridiculous. How about weighing people to get on planes and charging the chubbies more because they use more fuel, etc? Craziness.

I knew a lady (now deceased) who was not allowed to board a plane (or maybe was escorted off; i don't remember) because they didn't have a seat belt extender. She had to take a later flight.

[lobster1313]

6 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

I see that 180 days was reported today as the latest EU proposal for certain member countries. The US would not fall under that standard, but vaccinated Americans would be allowed on a country by country basis.  It still does not mean that prior infection provides an unlimited waiver.  Nor should it. 

The 180 isn't new and I didn't say anything about Americans qualifying for the digital green certificates.  The vaccines don't either but they both provide immunity and the length is still being researched. 

[harkinmr]

25 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

The 180 isn't new and I didn't say anything about Americans qualifying for the digital green certificates.  The vaccines don't either but they both provide immunity and the length is still being researched. 

"Hope about the people who have recovered. EU treats them the same way as vaccinated for free travel since all the latest research says."

 

That is the statement you made.  There was no qualifier as to time or location.  The EU does not treat all fully recovered persons the same as vaccinated in all respects.  It is strictly limited in time and area.  I don't see the cruise lines trying to corral who may or may not have recovered in the last 3 months, or 6 months, or however long ago, or asking for antibody tests to verify any natural immunity.  I hear a lot of people say "I've had COVID, so I'm immune".  That kind of blanket statement is simply not true.

Edited May 31, 2021 by harkinmr

[lobster1313]

16 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

"Hope about the people who have recovered. EU treats them the same way as vaccinated for free travel since all the latest research says."

 

That is the statement you made.  There was no qualifier as to time or location.  The EU does not treat all fully recovered persons the same as vaccinated in all respects.  It is strictly limited in time and area.  I don't see the cruise lines trying to corral who may or may not have recovered in the last 3 months, or 6 months, or however long ago, or asking for antibody tests to verify any natural immunity.  I hear a lot of people say "I've had COVID, so I'm immune".  That kind of blanket statement is simply not true.

• Recovered persons, holding certificates in line with the EU Digital COVID Certificate should be exempted from travel-related testing or quarantine during the first 180 days after a positive PCR test.

 

That's the same as vaccinated.

Edited May 31, 2021 by regoodwinjr