get rid of smoking in the casino

[Sam Ting]

48 minutes ago, Auntiemomo said:

You are able to see into the future?  LOL

I met a lot of people who smoke only while on vacation. I’m sure that number don’t include them. 

[ReneeFLL]

23 hours ago, livingonthebeach said:

Interesting article on casinos and smoking policies:

 

"The pandemic has pushed more than 200 US casinos to go 'smoke free'. "

 

It appears it's not only Florida.  Many states have reopened casinos with a smoking ban. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-03-02-21/h_a86e70f2fb90e54a7c31f06f6688ba92

 

That’s good to hear. It they can do it I don’t see why Royal can’t.

[livingonthebeach]

3 minutes ago, Sam Ting said:

I met a lot of people who smoke only while on vacation. I’m sure that number don’t include them. 

 

Nice -- they wait until they are in a cruise ship casino to smoke the rest of us and our $$$ out of there. 

[ReneeFLL]

9 hours ago, Casino Comp Chick said:

I can say the same thing about people and their eww-de-toilet perfumes or people who own cars. I have to suck in their carcinogens every day.

The perfumes aren’t going to give you lung cancer. Are you saying you have never driven or rode in a car? Any public transportation? Why do you think comparing either of these are equivalent to smoking?

[Husky1987]

I'm sure it's been said 100x in this and many other threads already:

 

If Royal thought they'd make more money by banning smoking in the casino (or anywhere else), they'd do it in a minute.  If they're not doing that, it's because they don't think it'll pay.

 

If Royal thought they'd make more money by allowing smoking in more places throughout the ship, they'd do it in a minute.  If they're not doing that, it's because they don't think it'll pay.

 

Bottom line talks.  It's really not that hard to understand.

[davekathy]

9 hours ago, Casino Comp Chick said:

I can say the same thing about people and their eww-de-toilet perfumes or people who own cars. I have to suck in their carcinogens every day.

I can say that about smokers who think they are masking their cigarette stench by splashing on a lot of eww-de-toilet perfumes.  Not working! 

[livingonthebeach]

9 minutes ago, Husky1987 said:

I'm sure it's been said 100x in this and many other threads already:

 

If Royal thought they'd make more money by banning smoking in the casino (or anywhere else), they'd do it in a minute.  If they're not doing that, it's because they don't think it'll pay.

 

If Royal thought they'd make more money by allowing smoking in more places throughout the ship, they'd do it in a minute.  If they're not doing that, it's because they don't think it'll pay.

 

Bottom line talks.  It's really not that hard to understand.

 

Well, they may just have to hire another bean counter.  Peoples' attitudes regarding smoking has changed dramatically in the CV19 era -- enough to warrant readjusting of some previous policies.

[davekathy]

24 minutes ago, Husky1987 said:

I'm sure it's been said 100x in this and many other threads already:

 

If Royal thought they'd make more money by banning smoking in the casino (or anywhere else), they'd do it in a minute.  If they're not doing that, it's because they don't think it'll pay.

 

If Royal thought they'd make more money by allowing smoking in more places throughout the ship, they'd do it in a minute.  If they're not doing that, it's because they don't think it'll pay.

 

Bottom line talks.  It's really not that hard to understand.

The bars/lounges we go to on the ships all seem to be crowed and very busy and there's no smoking allowed. Also RC seems to have no problems filling up their ships and the cabins on the ships don't allow smoking in the cabins or on the balconies. RC is also doing away with the connoisseur clubs. Limited smoking everywhere on the ships.

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by davekathy

[livingonthebeach]

5 minutes ago, davekathy said:

The bars/lounges we go to on the ships all seem to be crowed and very busy and there's no smoking allowed. 

 

This ⬆️.  I'm sure there would be a lot less people at the bars spending money on drinks if it came with gratuitous whiffs of cigarette smoke.  

[sparks1093]

14 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

Well, they may just have to hire another bean counter.  Peoples' attitudes regarding smoking has changed dramatically in the CV19 era -- enough to warrant readjusting of some previous policies.

The last thing Royal would want to do as it re-starts business after being on hiatus for a year is to make a significant change like this right out of the chute. If any non-smoker wants a smoke free casino they should just go on Celebrity. Far easier than changing Royal's business model from the outside looking in.

Edited June 23, 2021 by sparks1093

[livingonthebeach]

3 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

The last thing Royal would want to do as it re-starts business after being on hiatus for a year is to make a significant change like this right out of the chute. If any non-smoker wants a smoke free casino they should just go on Celebrity. Far easier than changing Royal's business model from the outside looking in.

 

As we've all experienced, no policy is ever etched in stone.  There are times when it's appropriate to reassess and readjust accordingly.  The world has changed dramatically in 16 months, and it just might be time to revisit some previous decisions, and examen whether changing them to be more in line with the new healthy sail protocols is warranted.  Feasibility studies should be a top priority at this stage.   

[davekathy]

17 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

The last thing Royal would want to do as it re-starts business after being on hiatus for a year is to make a significant change like this right out of the chute. If any non-smoker wants a smoke free casino they should just go on Celebrity. Far easier than changing Royal's business model from the outside looking in.

I'll bet (pun intended) RCG with disagree with you. 

[sparks1093]

16 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

As we've all experienced, no policy is ever etched in stone.  There are times when it's appropriate to reassess and readjust accordingly.  The world has changed dramatically in 16 months, and it just might be time to revisit some previous decisions, and examen whether changing them to be more in line with the new healthy sail protocols is warranted.  Feasibility studies should be a top priority at this stage.   

You are right, no policy is etched in stone and eventually I think shipboard casinos will be smoke free. I just don't see that happening any time soon. (And you are assuming they haven't done any feasibility studies. Maybe they have, and their decision is to maintain the status quo, for now.)

[sparks1093]

13 minutes ago, davekathy said:

I'll bet (pun intended) RCG with disagree with you. 

If you mean Royal the fact that they haven't changed the casino to non-smoking in spite of the number of complaints over the years tells me that is exactly what they are telling non-smokers to do if they really don't like current policy. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by sparks1093

[livingonthebeach]

Just now, sparks1093 said:

You are right, no policy is etched in stone and eventually I think shipboard casinos will be smoke free. I just don't see that happening any time soon. (And you are assuming they haven't done any feasibility studies. Maybe they have, and their decision is to maintain the status quo, for now.)

 

Since ships haven't sailed out of the US yet, it's doubtful they have any recent data to go by.  The cruises out of the Bahamas are only very recent.  Asia is a different market altogether.   So it's back to the good ole drawing board. 

[coffeebean]

4 hours ago, Auntiemomo said:

You are able to see into the future?  LOL

OOPS......Fat finger syndrome when I was posting on my iPhone.

[coffeebean]

4 hours ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

I'm sure that number went down even lower (assuming you meant 2018 and not 2108), with the advent of CV19.  The most recent studies on the correlation between smoking and casino / gaming revenue all point to even or increased revenue as a result of a smoking ban.  I don't see why it would be any different at sea. 

Thanks for the correction. Agree......that 13.7% must be lower in 2021. So, even going with the percentage in 2018, that means 86% of adult Americans are non smokers. That is HUGE. I would imagine on ships, the percentage of smokers is much less than non smokers. Where are the bean counters in all of this? How can smokers possibly generate more revenue in the casinos? It does not make sense to me.

 

Is it because smokers (who notoriously have addictive personalities) gamble more (another addictive activity)? I know all about addiction to cigarettes as I was a heavy smoker for 35 years. Thankfully, I never took up gambling.

Edited June 23, 2021 by coffeebean

[coffeebean]

On 6/22/2021 at 6:11 AM, Cruise a holic said:

........Perhaps some smokers might quit smoking and due to no smoking allowed policy live longer.

THAT is the reason I quit smoking back in 2005. I was so tired of being made to feel like a "second class citizen" and always having to go elsewhere to smoke a cigarette.

[coffeebean]

On 6/22/2021 at 6:22 AM, sparks1093 said:

I don't see how COVID is a change, it hasn't significantly changed human behavior and that is what is at issue here. 

IMHO, Covid is most certainly a change. Anyone who is asymptomatic and is blowing cigarette smoke in the air will most certainly spread those Covid virus particles further than normal respiration will. THAT is the difference and smoking is a health and safety issue not just for the carcinogens in the smoke but for Covid virus that may be carried further by the blowing action.

 

All my opinion but there should be some testing on how much more dangerous blowing smoke can be than normal respiration for transmitting Covid. I would bet money that blowing smoke makes the virus travel further than normal respiration and talking.

[coffeebean]

On 6/22/2021 at 11:03 AM, livingonthebeach said:

 

Again for the last time, they need to TEST to find out for sure, one way or the other.  You are making lots of assumptions yourself. 

One way of testing could be to have one non smoking night on a 7 night cruise. That would be an indication of how many non smokers would actually venture into the casino and make their donations. One problem would be that the stale stench of the smoke would still be evident to those who do not smoke so that may inhibit some from gambling and spending time in the casino. Just a thought.

[coffeebean]

On 6/22/2021 at 11:53 AM, Iamcruzin said:

Did anyone consider how those masks are going to smell after being in the smoke filled casino? Better pack extras or a lot of disposable ones.

You can say the same for the clothing you wear. Smoke infiltrates.

[coffeebean]

On 6/22/2021 at 1:02 PM, livingonthebeach said:

I don't know about other states, but Florida has banned smoking inside casinos due to Florida's Clean Indoor Air Act which requires casinos, state horse tracks, dog tracks and jai-alai frontons to be non-smoking. Native American casinos like the Hard Rock in Florida are the only ones that allow smoking.  A lot of people won't go there due to the stench in the air that flows from the smoking to the non-smoking areas. 

 

If the casinos in Florida weren't making money due to the non smoking policy, they would all be closed and no casinos would exist in except the Native American ones.  When they got rid of smoking in bars and restaurants, everyone said they would all go out of business -  they did not.  If they can get rid of smoking on land they can do it at sea.  Everyone would be better off for it. 

I was just at the Hardrock in Tampa today. The smoking section is the main level. Hubby and I walked through and saw at least two cigar smokers. I refused to sit anywhere near them. Luckily, there is a non smoking section on the upper level which is at least two stories above the main level. It was a pleasure in the non smoking section. Unfortunately, hubby, also a non smoker, had to gamble on the main smoking level because the game he plays was not available in the non smoking section.

 

That could be the problem with the smoking sections vs non smoking sections of a casino. The better way to judge if a non smoking section is as popular, less popular or more popular is to offer the same exact games and machines in both areas.

Edited June 23, 2021 by coffeebean

[bouhunter]

46 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

 Covid virus that may be carried further by the blowing action.

 

 

LOL.  Thanks for the laugh 🙂

 

[coffeebean]

22 minutes ago, bouhunter said:

LOL.  Thanks for the laugh 🙂

 

I don't know why you find that humorous. There are articles to back up my fears of Covid spreading further when someone blows out cigarette smoke or vaping.......

Cigarette smoke carries Covid virus

Can you get Covid from second hand smoke

Can you catch Covid from second hand smoke?

 

Here is one article with an opposing view. I believe in researching both sides of a discussion. Personally, I do not agree with this stance. As a smoker, I KNOW I exhaled cigarette smoke stronger than my normal respiratory exhalation......

Can I get infected by cigarette smoke from a person with Covid-19?

 

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by coffeebean

[coffeebean]

24 minutes ago, bouhunter said:

LOL.  Thanks for the laugh 🙂

 

I just re-read my post and it DID make me laugh. I get what I said may be taken another way. LOL.