Rare livingonthebeach Posted July 23, 2021 #1 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Florida has taken the CDC case to the Supreme Court https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/564615-florida-asks-supreme-court-to-block-cdcs-limits-on-cruise-ship https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21A5/184803/20210723134720313_Application.pdf 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFerrington Posted July 23, 2021 #2 Share Posted July 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said: Florida has taken the CDC case to the Supreme Court https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/564615-florida-asks-supreme-court-to-block-cdcs-limits-on-cruise-ship https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21A5/184803/20210723134720313_Application.pdf YIPPEE !!!! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandebeach Posted July 23, 2021 #3 Share Posted July 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said: Florida has taken the CDC case to the Supreme Court https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/564615-florida-asks-supreme-court-to-block-cdcs-limits-on-cruise-ship https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21A5/184803/20210723134720313_Application.pdf Wow, go Florida!!! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted July 23, 2021 #4 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) And they won... this round. Edited July 23, 2021 by twangster 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasukkie Posted July 23, 2021 #5 Share Posted July 23, 2021 There's such an easy solution. Require vaccination and drop everything else. 30 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted July 23, 2021 #6 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Meanwhile the appeals court reversed their stay of the injunction against the cso 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFerrington Posted July 23, 2021 #7 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: Meanwhile the appeals court reversed their stay of the injunction against the cso Really ? When did this happen ? I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted July 23, 2021 #8 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soremekun Posted July 23, 2021 #9 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Sooooo, what about the upcoming test sailings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drrich2 Posted July 23, 2021 #10 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Thanks for posting about this. It's got potential to be an important precedent. Some 'thought leader' types have predicted a pandemic for years, and sadly it's likely this sort of thing will happen again at some point in the future. The vast amount of economic damage to the cruise industry (I've read 20 billion dollars for 2020, and lines selling off a number of ships) will take a long time to recoup. I don't know what financing arrangements the lines worked out to stay afloat (yep, had to go there...). And they should be okay...this time. So, what happens if we have another pandemic in 5 years? Short-term shutdowns may make sense, and early on did here. But when Disney World and other recreational public venues have been open quite awhile, and thousands go in and out daily without even being tested for the virus...maybe we need some limits on the CDC's power. Not a total absence of it, but some curtailment. Whichever way this goes, the precedent it may set is a big deal. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph2017China Posted July 24, 2021 #11 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Awesome news 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CK57 Posted July 24, 2021 #12 Share Posted July 24, 2021 So in simple terms what impact would this have on cruises from Florida? Mask requirements set by cruise lines ? What about vaccination requirements? None or could cruise lines set their own % of passengers? Curious to hear what’s on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywonder Posted July 24, 2021 #13 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jasukkie said: There's such an easy solution. Require vaccination and drop everything else. No thanks! Edited July 24, 2021 by skywonder 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kearney Posted July 24, 2021 #14 Share Posted July 24, 2021 I don’t expect any significant changes....ships are sailing, protocols in place and passengers expectations set....any major shifts would upset the apple cart, so to speak. If the Delta variant wasn’t causing fears...perhaps there would be some minor changes...like not requiring vaccinated to maskup on Royal...but under current conditions I don’t see any changes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywonder Posted July 24, 2021 #15 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Joseph2017China said: Awesome news I agree, I think the cruise lines are doing a good job on their own. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadlo Posted July 24, 2021 #16 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Larryhnj said: Yes people get the vaccinations to not only protect yourself but the people you love as well as anyone that comes near you. How many more people have to die before the unvaccinated wake up. I’m curious how this works exactly? How does it protect loved ones when you can still get Covid and transmit it even after being vaccinated? It looks like it lessens symptoms in the vaccinated but many vaccinated folk are coming down with Covid regardless. So how’s that protecting loved ones? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted July 24, 2021 #17 Share Posted July 24, 2021 7 hours ago, CK57 said: So in simple terms what impact would this have on cruises from Florida? Mask requirements set by cruise lines ? What about vaccination requirements? None or could cruise lines set their own % of passengers? Curious to hear what’s on the table. How can there be vaccination requirements in Florida when there is no longer a CDC rule that requires 95% vaccinated passengers and crew? THAT rule was the reason why cruise lines were able to work around the Florida law. Now that the CDC CSO is no longer valid, the cruise lines do not have a protocol to "enforce" in the state of Florida. That 95% rule has become a guideline. Sorry, but this is NOT good news for cruise passengers who much prefer to sail on 95% vaccinated ships. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted July 24, 2021 #18 Share Posted July 24, 2021 7 hours ago, skywonder said: /// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted July 24, 2021 #19 Share Posted July 24, 2021 6 hours ago, thadlo said: I’m curious how this works exactly? How does it protect loved ones when you can still get Covid and transmit it even after being vaccinated? It looks like it lessens symptoms in the vaccinated but many vaccinated folk are coming down with Covid regardless. So how’s that protecting loved ones? Vaccinated people who get infected with Covid still have less of a chance of spreading the disease than anyone who is un-vaccinated. Haven't we been told the viral load in a vaccinated person is less, even if they are infected with the Delta variant. Isn't this true? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly361 Posted July 24, 2021 #20 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) It seems something yet it means nothing-😇 His response to this ruling Michael Bayley t9lSponshmomred · And so it continues ! We will continue to voluntarily follow all CDC guidelines and recommendations Edited July 24, 2021 by molly361 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace2542 Posted July 24, 2021 #21 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, coffeebean said: How can there be vaccination requirements in Florida when there is no longer a CDC rule that requires 95% vaccinated passengers and crew? THAT rule was the reason why cruise lines were able to work around the Florida law. Now that the CDC CSO is no longer valid, the cruise lines do not have a protocol to "enforce" in the state of Florida. That 95% rule has become a guideline. Sorry, but this is NOT good news for cruise passengers who much prefer to sail on 95% vaccinated ships. Is it possible that the CDC as a result of this appeal - especially if they lose - bring in 100% vaccinated sailing requirement? As in it doesn't sail unless 100% or vaccinated not that a person can't board if not vaccinated? Or perhaps revoke the VSP and in words of Chengpk 75 watch the cruise industry dissolve into chaos. Or introduce mask requirements forever even in the cabins and in sleep requiring hidden CCTV to be installed to ensure compliance. And maybe also introduce guidelines that 1 positive case of Covid or Flu even means the cruise is cancelled and the ship returns to port and that all passengers must be tested every day whilst onboard no exceptions?. Any one of these would destroy the industry. I am asking a question not making a statement. Edited July 24, 2021 by ace2542 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare At Sea At Peace Posted July 24, 2021 #22 Share Posted July 24, 2021 13 hours ago, smokeybandit said: Meanwhile the appeals court reversed their stay of the injunction against the cso Yep. The 11 Circuit Court of Appeals "Panel" reversed ~ ORDER 7/23/2021 "The appellants' "Time-Sensitive Motion for Stay Pending Appeal and Administrative Stay" is DENIED because appellants failed to demonstrate an entitlement to a stay pending appeal." Briefing Notice 7/23/2021 Notice to appellants to file a brief "due on or before 9/1/2021." So, the CDC, HHS and US appellants could certainly file such at any time before the due date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcruzin Posted July 24, 2021 #23 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 hour ago, ace2542 said: Is it possible that the CDC as a result of this appeal - especially if they lose - bring in 100% vaccinated sailing requirement? As in it doesn't sail unless 100% or vaccinated not that a person can't board if not vaccinated? Or perhaps revoke the VSP and in words of Chengpk 75 watch the cruise industry dissolve into chaos. Or introduce mask requirements forever even in the cabins and in sleep requiring hidden CCTV to be installed to ensure compliance. And maybe also introduce guidelines that 1 positive case of Covid or Flu even means the cruise is cancelled and the ship returns to port and that all passengers must be tested every day whilst onboard no exceptions?. Any one of these would destroy the industry. I am asking a question not making a statement. Oh Ace, your brain is always working overtime. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted July 24, 2021 #24 Share Posted July 24, 2021 8 hours ago, thadlo said: I’m curious how this works exactly? How does it protect loved ones when you can still get Covid and transmit it even after being vaccinated? It looks like it lessens symptoms in the vaccinated but many vaccinated folk are coming down with Covid regardless. So how’s that protecting loved ones? They don't end up dead. How is that for starters? 8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted July 24, 2021 #25 Share Posted July 24, 2021 13 hours ago, smokeybandit said: Meanwhile the appeals court reversed their stay of the injunction against the cso And on Friday the court reserved its decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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