New CDC Guidance for Cruise Ship Travel

[TNcruising02]

6 minutes ago, LouChamp said:

I don't go to Walmart and although I love cruising, I can afford to wait until

next year.  The aggravation factor of all the protocols does not make it a vacation.

Same here.  I'll wait and my only risk factor is being over age 40.  Anyone who is very high risk should really think about delaying any type of travel right now.  As for everyone else, life goes on.  I can say that I would not take an elderly relative or an unvaccinated child on a cruise right now, but that's just me.

Edited August 22, 2021 by TNcruising02

[jimbo5544]

17 hours ago, Bostwick girl said:

The CDC will recommend no one cruises at all if they could! 

 

Bingo, every step of the way, in every way they possible can.  Literally it is almost everybody except vaxed healthy 18-49 year old’s that have never smoked, not over weight of ever had an illness.

[Earthworm Jim]

18 hours ago, maryann2 said:

Those with increased risk includes older adults. people with medical conditions and pregnancy.

 

You missed by far the biggest category they included of all, being overweight or obese. Defined as a BMI over 25. Almost 70% of adult Americans are in that category.

 

(As a couple of examples, over 175 lbs if you are 5'10", or over 150 lbs if you are 5'5" would be over 25 BMI)

[travelplus]

Im fully vaccinated and got my Flu vaccine and booster. I volunteer as a Neighborhood Safety Officer and work with elderly neighbors so I was one of the earlier people to get vaccinated.

 

I'm ready to cruise in February so I hope by then things will be better. I agree with John Heald that cruising is safer than land vacations.

 

Perhaps all casinos will go non smoking followed by all outdoor areas 

 

 

[LouChamp]

5 hours ago, TNcruising02 said:

Same here.  I'll wait and my only risk factor is being over age 40.  Anyone who is very high risk should really think about delaying any type of travel right now.  As for everyone else, life goes on.  I can say that I would not take an elderly relative or an unvaccinated child on a cruise right now, but that's just me.

Agree with you totally unfortunately on this site of which i loved for years, many have the stockholm syndrome supporting the cruise lines. I wont risk my family traveling now but will rather look at the ocean from my home in hawaii. Yes many are not as fortunate but if you say anything negative cruise line you are flamed and that is disgusting.  I love cruising but not right now.  Not worth the risk. Plus some of the cruise posters like Chimon and Parker get free trips to support the lines. Equally disgusting but i will not cowtow to anyone.  I applaud your opinion 

[TNcruising02]

3 minutes ago, LouChamp said:

Agree with you totally unfortunately on this site of which i loved for years, many have the stockholm syndrome supporting the cruise lines. I wont risk my family traveling now but will rather look at the ocean from my home in hawaii. Yes many are not as fortunate but if you say anything negative cruise line you are flamed and that is disgusting.  I love cruising but not right now.  Not worth the risk. Plus some of the cruise posters like Chimon and Parker get free trips to support the lines. Equally disgusting but i will not cowtow to anyone.  I applaud your opinion 

Looking at the ocean from a home in Hawaii sounds amazing.  We are vacationing in Florida right now, but spend the majority of our time outside, other than meals.  We are staying clear of amusement parks and places like that.  There is a way to vacation with minimal risk, but traveling in any way does increase the risk.  I would not choose to travel with elderly relatives or small children at this time though.

[jimbo5544]

3 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

As the CDC is part of the government, the bashing by the usual suspects is pure politics and boring. 

Pot meet kettle

[jimbo5544]

7 hours ago, Earthworm Jim said:

 

You missed by far the biggest category they included of all, being overweight or obese. Defined as a BMI over 25. Almost 70% of adult Americans are in that category.

 

(As a couple of examples, over 175 lbs if you are 5'10", or over 150 lbs if you are 5'5" would be over 25 BMI)

So, if we guess at all of the other categories, it might be 90% + of any sailing.  That is the message.  

[ProgRockCruiser]

8 hours ago, Earthworm Jim said:

 

You missed by far the biggest category they included of all, being overweight or obese. Defined as a BMI over 25. Almost 70% of adult Americans are in that category.

 

(As a couple of examples, over 175 lbs if you are 5'10", or over 150 lbs if you are 5'5" would be over 25 BMI)

And BMI is such a stupid way to "measure" health.  It completely ignores muscle mass, and seems to simply assume that any excess weight must be fat.

 

We're cruising in a couple of weeks, and it will probably be a safer environment than a trip to the local grocery stores and other shopping.

 

I do value and process the warnings the CDC gives about everything, but I also eat my beef rare, oysters raw, and eggs over easy.  To quote the great philosopher "Smith of Aero", I'm "Livin' on the Edge".

[richfret]

OK!  The CDC has convinced me not to cruise.  So instead, I will go to a restaurant for breakfast.  Then fly on a plane to another city.  Then go to a Super Market for some soda.  Then lunch in a restaurant.  Proceed to a ball game.  Then super in a restaurant.  Finally see a movie and end the day staying in a hotel where someone with the virus could have slept yesterday.  They are absolutely right.  Cruising is more dangerous.  

[ajm]

10 hours ago, richfret said:

OK!  The CDC has convinced me not to cruise.  So instead, I will go to a restaurant for breakfast.  Then fly on a plane to another city.  Then go to a Super Market for some soda.  Then lunch in a restaurant.  Proceed to a ball game.  Then super in a restaurant.  Finally see a movie and end the day staying in a hotel where someone with the virus could have slept yesterday.  They are absolutely right.  Cruising is more dangerous.  

Although I agree that cruising may not be any more risky than other venues on land, I do think you need to consider what happens if you do contract COVID in both circumstances.  If you get it while at the restaurant, you will most likely be near a hospital or other emergency facility where you can get help if needed.  If  you get it on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean, your choices of health care are much more limited (at least for most of us).

[richfret]

40 minutes ago, ajm said:

Although I agree that cruising may not be any more risky than other venues on land, I do think you need to consider what happens if you do contract COVID in both circumstances.  If you get it while at the restaurant, you will most likely be near a hospital or other emergency facility where you can get help if needed.  If  you get it on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean, your choices of health care are much more limited (at least for most of us).

My son is a nurse here in Florida.  He says that the vast majority of patients in his hospital with COVID did not receive any vaccines.  If the cruise lines take the right precautions (Like no one can cruise without  both shots and the possible 3rd), then your chances are probably the same (On or ashore).  The Media will post any thing they can to cause panic since it sure sells the news.  SIX PEOPLE WITH COVID ON CRUISE SHIP.  Sixty people on shore are waiting to greet them.  I know.  That is not fair.  Just like the CDC.

[jimbo5544]

10 minutes ago, richfret said:

My son is a nurse here in Florida.  He says that the vast majority of patients in his hospital with COVID did not receive any vaccines.  If the cruise lines take the right precautions (Like no one can cruise without  both shots and the possible 3rd), then your chances are probably the same (On or ashore).  The Media will post any thing they can to cause panic since it sure sells the news.  SIX PEOPLE WITH COVID ON CRUISE SHIP.  Sixty people on shore are waiting to greet them.  I know.  That is not fair.  Just like the CDC.

Thanks for the info on the Hospitals from your son.  Ever wonder why we cannot see the stats, can you spell agenda?

[crewsweeper]

On 8/21/2021 at 11:16 PM, CarelessAndConfused said:

 

That would probably be true if people just transported onto the ship, or at least the check in terminal.  However, most of those cruisers have to fly there and airports and planes have to be a major source for COVID spread.

All airlines require masks to be worn during flights.  All airplanes have good upgraded ventilation systems.  We're NOT seeing any airport or airline or air flight (outside the TX Dems private charter) as being a COVID Hot Spot.

[jimbo5544]

2 minutes ago, crewsweeper said:

All airlines require masks to be worn during flights.  All airplanes have good upgraded ventilation systems.  We're NOT seeing any airport or airline or air flight (outside the TX Dems private charter) as being a COVID Hot Spot.

Do we track that info?  Does any of that have anything to do with the subject of the post?  It has nothing to do with masks, airlines or even states.

[crewsweeper]

47 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

Do we track that info?  Does any of that have anything to do with the subject of the post?  It has nothing to do with masks, airlines or even states.

Disagree, poster said airports and airplanes have to be major source of spread.  And believe me, in this day and age of rapid news, where we see fights break out on airplanes over masks as they happen, if there was a spread of COVID off any airplane, we'd know.

[ProgRockCruiser]

5 minutes ago, crewsweeper said:

if there was a spread of COVID off any airplane, we'd know.

I disagree with this assessment.  Suppose there was an active spreader who took a two-leg flight, total 6 hours in airports or in a plane.  In those six hours they have come in close contact with dozens of people, casual contact with hundreds probably.

 

If six of those people catch it, maybe they spread it on their next flight.  Etc.

 

When these vectors get tested, no-one does any contact tracing to find out where they flew and whether anyone else was infected.  

 

So I would hazard a guess that airports and airplanes and everywhere else there are large gatherings of transient people that "huddle" for a few hours together (at least) are indeed major spreader event.  Just no-one is tracking it.

 

That doesn't mean I am so concerned I won't fly.  Just acknowledging the risk.

[jimbo5544]

10 minutes ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

I disagree with this assessment.  Suppose there was an active spreader who took a two-leg flight, total 6 hours in airports or in a plane.  In those six hours they have come in close contact with dozens of people, casual contact with hundreds probably.

 

If six of those people catch it, maybe they spread it on their next flight.  Etc.

 

When these vectors get tested, no-one does any contact tracing to find out where they flew and whether anyone else was infected.  

 

So I would hazard a guess that airports and airplanes and everywhere else there are large gatherings of transient people that "huddle" for a few hours together (at least) are indeed major spreader event.  Just no-one is tracking it.

 

That doesn't mean I am so concerned I won't fly.  Just acknowledging the risk.

Bingo, if we do not track it there is absolutely no way of knowing.  We do not know how long it takes to transmit or the possibilities.  

[ProgRockCruiser]

2 minutes ago, wkucrprez said:

I don't want to make the trip because of the ridiculous masking requirements on board.  Why pay to be miserable for 8 days not being able to breath, that's no vacation

But you don't have to wear a mask the entire time, only in specific areas "indoors".  So unless you spend the whole cruise inside the Lido area or at the Piano Bar, you have plenty of opportunity to be mask-free - outdoor Lido area, Serenity, in a pool/hot-tub, etc.

[Anyislandwilldo]

On 8/21/2021 at 9:32 PM, firefly333 said:

It will be 8 months ..some started last december. Mostly first responders. Me and my mom were the first day it was available here. I think they sent the appt for my dad but that would have been too much for him. I suspect they went by age. He turns 103 in a couple of weeks. He got his as soon as his doctor got it in to give. Hes behind us 3 or 4 weeks. 

 

It was such a relief to me to get it. I would have stood on my head to not worry so much about giving it to my parents. I signed us up on every list. 

Congrats to your dad for reaching over 100 years old!!

[TNcruising02]

1 hour ago, crewsweeper said:

All airlines require masks to be worn during flights.  All airplanes have good upgraded ventilation systems.  We're NOT seeing any airport or airline or air flight (outside the TX Dems private charter) as being a COVID Hot Spot.

Because nobody is testing or tracing.  I flew on a plane a week ago and nobody followed up to see if I got covid or to let me know someone at the airport or on the plane had covid.  Obviously, if no tracking is done, there will be no recorded cases.  And also obviously, if you are in contact with someone who has covid then you can get covid, even on a plane.

From the CDC:

"Air travel requires spending time in security lines and airport terminals, which can bring you in close contact with other people and frequently touched surfaces. Most viruses and other germs do not spread easily on flights because of how air circulates and is filtered on airplanes. However, keeping your distance is difficult on crowded flights, and sitting within 6 feet/2 meters of others, sometimes for hours, may make you more likely to get COVID-19."

Edited August 23, 2021 by TNcruising02