tottenhamfc Posted December 5, 2023 #1451 Share Posted December 5, 2023 I think there will be two markets. The young with credit cards looking for the big ships and entertainment and alcohol packages and us the dinosaurs paying with cash in the leaser ships wanting itineraries and decent food. It looks to me like they better be reasonable with the long term cruisers or they will lose a massive guaranteed base. This is the first time in over 20 cruises on Royal that I am looking at options. They are pricing themselves close to Oceana, Virgin and even Disney. They have entered a space of a lot of quality competition. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare island lady Posted December 5, 2023 #1452 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Ourusualbeach said: No different than lots of families with zero interest in sailing Radiance and vision class ships. Even within the same brand they easily market to entirely different demographics. Another reason we love Radiance and Vision class ships. 😉 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibe Posted December 5, 2023 #1453 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said: Royal is not looking at their traditional cruiser who has been spoiled by low cost vacations for years. These new ships are being targeted to families who think nothing of spending that kind of money for a week at Disneyland for a week or a week on a Disney cruise. I agree, however the people that are going to spend Disney money are not going to be satisfied with the Royal Caribbean cut backs in food quality and once a day cabin service. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morecruisesplz Posted December 5, 2023 #1454 Share Posted December 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, Vibe said: I agree, however the people that are going to spend Disney money are not going to be satisfied with the Royal Caribbean cut backs in food quality and once a day cabin service. Nor will they have to. Suites get their own dining room, 2 x day cabin services and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morecruisesplz Posted December 5, 2023 #1455 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, tottenhamfc said: I think there will be two markets. The young with credit cards looking for the big ships and entertainment and alcohol packages and us the dinosaurs paying with cash in the leaser ships wanting itineraries and decent food. It looks to me like they better be reasonable with the long term cruisers or they will lose a massive guaranteed base. This is the first time in over 20 cruises on Royal that I am looking at options. They are pricing themselves close to Oceana, Virgin and even Disney. They have entered a space of a lot of quality competition. Not sure what cash/credit cards have to do with us. Savy seniors use cc for points to gain free hotel nights, airfare and other perks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATG Posted December 5, 2023 #1456 Share Posted December 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, Morecruisesplz said: Not sure what cash/credit cards have to do with us. Savy seniors use cc for points to gain free hotel nights, airfare and other perks. But savvy seniors pay the balance off every month. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted December 5, 2023 #1457 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said: Royal is not looking at their traditional cruiser who has been spoiled by low cost vacations for years. These new ships are being targeted to families who think nothing of spending that kind of money for a week at Disneyland for a week or a week on a Disney cruise. Yes, even what I paid for week at Orlando 5+ yrs ago was more then week on Star. Cost at Disney World now is double and I wouldnt pay for week on either today. People forget even when Royal started rolling out Mega Ships prices were way higher then the existing Ships. Then add to that demand is near record level there is no way there was ever going to be a deal to be had here Edited December 5, 2023 by ONECRUISER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morecruisesplz Posted December 5, 2023 #1458 Share Posted December 5, 2023 20 minutes ago, ATG said: But savvy seniors pay the balance off every month. Exactly. But to pay cash for a cruise will not get you a free hotel night, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted December 5, 2023 #1459 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ATG said: But savvy seniors pay the balance off every month. True, but most don't. "Baby Boomers have the second highest debt level among all adult generations carrying an average credit card balance of $6,747 and $25,812 in total non mortgage debt, behind only Gen X" Edited December 5, 2023 by ONECRUISER 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted December 5, 2023 #1460 Share Posted December 5, 2023 18 minutes ago, ATG said: But savvy seniors pay the balance off every month. Years ago my Wife always said wasn't how much she spent, it's how much you saved. She was a card 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibe Posted December 5, 2023 #1461 Share Posted December 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, Morecruisesplz said: Nor will they have to. Suites get their own dining room, 2 x day cabin services and more. What about the people that don’t book suites? People that stay in non suite cabins on Disney get twice a day service and the regular dining is far superior. If Royal Caribbean wants to charge Disney rates they need to step it up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morecruisesplz Posted December 5, 2023 #1462 Share Posted December 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, ONECRUISER said: True, but most don't. "Baby Boomers have the second highest debt level among all adult generations carrying an average credit card balance of $6,747 and $25,812 in total non mortgage debt, behind only Gen X" If you don’t have the cash to pay the balances when the bill arrives, don’t use your card. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morecruisesplz Posted December 5, 2023 #1463 Share Posted December 5, 2023 28 minutes ago, Vibe said: What about the people that don’t book suites? People that stay in non suite cabins on Disney get twice a day service and the regular dining is far superior. If Royal Caribbean wants to charge Disney rates they need to step it up. Haven't cruise Disney in a while but my guess is that their prices are up also. A better comparison is MSC. Beautiful new ships, classic menus in MDR, ask for pasta with your steak... no problem, 2 x day cabin service. The only thing we missed were our 5 free D+ drinks, most of which we use for water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tottenhamfc Posted December 5, 2023 #1464 Share Posted December 5, 2023 35 minutes ago, ONECRUISER said: True, but most don't. "Baby Boomers have the second highest debt level among all adult generations carrying an average credit card balance of $6,747 and $25,812 in total non mortgage debt, behind only Gen X" They just dont get it. My kids included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vjmatty Posted December 5, 2023 #1465 Share Posted December 5, 2023 2 hours ago, ONECRUISER said: True, but most don't. "Baby Boomers have the second highest debt level among all adult generations carrying an average credit card balance of $6,747 and $25,812 in total non mortgage debt, behind only Gen X" Those can be very misleading numbers. At any given time I can have near that much CC “debt” even though it’s only current balances which I pay off every month. Travel card users often put their entire spending on points and miles cards, including gas, groceries utilities, insurance, auto repairs and drug stores. The other 25k can easily be an auto loan these days, or the remaining balance on two cars that are a year or two old. Gen Xer here, though to CC companies I’m a deadbeat because I don’t pay any interest 😂 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free2bMeForever Posted December 5, 2023 #1466 Share Posted December 5, 2023 9 hours ago, Blue Eyed Belfast Belle said: No, Star of the Seas will not be on my agenda at these ridiculous prices! 🤯 But someone will pay it - a Fool and his money are easily parted as the saying goes! They are marketing to people who are accustomed to buying things with installment payments. It’s amazing how many people think if they can afford the monthly payment, they can buy it. They do NOT consider the total cost, potential income decreases, or emergency spending requirements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretts173 Posted December 5, 2023 #1467 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Vibe said: What about the people that don’t book suites? People that stay in non suite cabins on Disney get twice a day service and the regular dining is far superior. If Royal Caribbean wants to charge Disney rates they need to step it up. Why, you need to realise not everyone thinks the same or values the same things. If any Disney ship or Star were the same price I'm booking Star every day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrateslife4me84 Posted December 5, 2023 #1468 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Strange release strategy that you can book 7-night cruises from PC from August, 2025 onward but they didn’t release the Wonder sailings for May, June, July, and early August yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleJoefromKokomo Posted December 5, 2023 #1469 Share Posted December 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Morecruisesplz said: If you don’t have the cash to pay the balances when the bill arrives, don’t use your card. This is a very simple but valid point. But people want things NOW, not save for it later, be it a car, a cruise or some other material thing. That is why 8 of 10 persons buy things on credit, not to get points or cashback (even if 100% claims that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreasfcb Posted December 5, 2023 #1470 Share Posted December 5, 2023 7 hours ago, tottenhamfc said: I think there will be two markets. The young with credit cards looking for the big ships and entertainment and alcohol packages and us the dinosaurs paying with cash in the leaser ships wanting itineraries and decent food. It looks to me like they better be reasonable with the long term cruisers or they will lose a massive guaranteed base. This is the first time in over 20 cruises on Royal that I am looking at options. They are pricing themselves close to Oceana, Virgin and even Disney. They have entered a space of a lot of quality competition. Damn, I feel old now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreasfcb Posted December 5, 2023 #1471 Share Posted December 5, 2023 5 hours ago, ONECRUISER said: True, but most don't. "Baby Boomers have the second highest debt level among all adult generations carrying an average credit card balance of $6,747 and $25,812 in total non mortgage debt, behind only Gen X" As a European, I cannot understand how something like credit card debt exists. We get a bill for the credit card in the end of the month which has to be paid to get a zero balance. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tree_skier Posted December 6, 2023 #1472 Share Posted December 6, 2023 6 hours ago, andreasfcb said: As a European, I cannot understand how something like credit card debt exists. We get a bill for the credit card in the end of the month which has to be paid to get a zero balance. I'm not sure you know what you are talking about. Switzerland has the highest per capita consumer debt in the world. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saab4444 Posted December 6, 2023 #1473 Share Posted December 6, 2023 8 hours ago, andreasfcb said: As a European, I cannot understand how something like credit card debt exists. We get a bill for the credit card in the end of the month which has to be paid to get a zero balance. No, also in Europe there are many Credit Cards where you can chose between paying the full balance or just a part in monthly installments plus interest. This is how they make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyCruiserUK Posted December 6, 2023 #1474 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Lots of people i know here in the UK have credit cards and lots have lots of debt on them. Most just pay the minimum fee each month rather than the full amount and with interest added monthly the debt rarely goes down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumshoe958 Posted December 6, 2023 #1475 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, FamilyCruiserUK said: Lots of people i know here in the UK have credit cards and lots have lots of debt on them. Most just pay the minimum fee each month rather than the full amount and with interest added monthly the debt rarely goes down. I wonder if @andreasfcb may be from Germany where debt is still widely regarded as shameful and credit cards are not very popular (although it’s slowly changing). In fact the German word for debt, ‘schuld’, also means guilt. Cash is still king there. Edited December 6, 2023 by gumshoe958 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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