Rare Acrusa Posted December 24, 2023 #101 Share Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) Last January 20 day cruise on Riviera. First sea day come down at 7:15 am take 2 lounges middle row.By 7:30 plenty of lounges. An elderly man dressed in O bathrobe places items on lounge next me in middle row then places items on front row lounges in sun in front of the lounges in the shade and leaves. About an hour later him and his wife come to lounges and keep switching from sun to shade on the 4 lounges. Next day same routine. Third day I see him coming to lounges I immediately place items on the 4 lounges. He comes by see there taken and looks for other lounge around pool. I see him leave pool and immidatly remove items from the 4 lounges Edited December 24, 2023 by Acrusa 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true45 Posted December 24, 2023 #102 Share Posted December 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, d9704011 said: Enforce chair use, enforce dress codes, enforce, enforce, enforce. I'm pretty sure cruise lines have given up on confronting pigheaded, selfish, entitled cruisers who are not at all disposed to following the simplest of rules, policies or 'suggestions' if they don't suit them. No fun for the cruise lines to confront the entitled, yes true, but someone’s dress doesn’t really affect me — however, if I can’t find a place to sit it does affect me. Perhaps there should be a larger seating area around the pools in general. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KS&JW Posted December 24, 2023 #103 Share Posted December 24, 2023 I avoid the sun so do not sit by the pool. Very glad that I have avoided this frustrating mess. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted December 24, 2023 #104 Share Posted December 24, 2023 1 hour ago, true45 said: Perhaps there should be a larger seating area around the pools in general. There are loungers everywhere with a small path to walk to the other side of the deck where would they put more loungers? Maybe they should just enforce their chair saving rules maybe have one big burly crew member patrol the loungers I not sure anyone would confront him if he moved their belonging after 45 mins of absence We have seen people put books & the breakfast smoothie next to the lounger then go off the ship for the day ..we returned to area in the afternoon both still there ..the pax returned at 4pm to sit in the loungers Next day same thing on a sea day asked the deck crew to remove the items after 2 hrs after we searched for a lounger Pax returned 2 hrs after we were seated & screamed at me for moving there things told him to talk to the deck crew . as I never "Touched " his items I might have tossed them overboard but that is not allowed 😉 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true45 Posted December 24, 2023 #105 Share Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, LHT28 said: There are loungers everywhere with a small path to walk to the other side of the deck where would they put more loungers? Maybe they should just enforce their chair saving rules maybe have one big burly crew member patrol the loungers I not sure anyone would confront him if he moved their belonging after 45 mins of absence We have seen people put books & the breakfast smoothie next to the lounger then go off the ship for the day ..we returned to area in the afternoon both still there ..the pax returned at 4pm to sit in the loungers Next day same thing on a sea day asked the deck crew to remove the items after 2 hrs after we searched for a lounger Pax returned 2 hrs after we were seated & screamed at me for moving there things told him to talk to the deck crew . as I never "Touched " his items I might have tossed them overboard but that is not allowed 😉 😋Do you mean toss Pax or toss items overboard? LOL😇 Edited December 24, 2023 by true45 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted December 24, 2023 #106 Share Posted December 24, 2023 37 minutes ago, true45 said: 😋Do you mean toss Pax or toss items overboard? LOL😇 Maybe both 😈 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted December 24, 2023 #107 Share Posted December 24, 2023 3 hours ago, KS&JW said: I avoid the sun so do not sit by the pool. Very glad that I have avoided this frustrating mess. And your doctor is likely pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnocket Posted December 26, 2023 #108 Share Posted December 26, 2023 It sure seems to me that the only surefire solution is for the cruise ship/resort to provide enough loungers to satisfy the demand. Everyone seems willing to give them a pass on this. Nothing encourages hoarding like a shortage. fwiw I'm sailing on Regent, lying by the pool as I write this. There is no shortage of pool lounges, but the ones in the shade are in high demand... and yes, they get "reserved" by chair hogs🙁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEFIowa Posted December 26, 2023 #109 Share Posted December 26, 2023 On 12/24/2023 at 10:36 AM, d9704011 said: Enforce chair use, enforce dress codes, enforce, enforce, enforce. I'm pretty sure cruise lines have given up on confronting pigheaded, selfish, entitled cruisers who are not at all disposed to following the simplest of rules, policies or 'suggestions' if they don't suit them. O appears absolutely loath to "enforce" or "discipline" anything. Relying on peer pressure or social convention to prevail. Which may work 90% of the time for 90% of the issues. But apparently not for those lounging around the pool. You really see this with issues tied to disembarkation. Usually a cluster foxtrot where all the color coding and timing turns into a mass of people trying to get off. Either all early, first thing, or waiting around later, last thing. And even at embarkation, where it seems anyone can pretty much try to get on board at any time just by showing up. The "assigned" times hardly matter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryw Posted December 26, 2023 Author #110 Share Posted December 26, 2023 36 minutes ago, MEFIowa said: O appears absolutely loath to "enforce" or "discipline" anything. Relying on peer pressure or social convention to prevail. Which may work 90% of the time for 90% of the issues. But apparently not for those lounging around the pool. You really see this with issues tied to disembarkation. Usually a cluster foxtrot where all the color coding and timing turns into a mass of people trying to get off. Either all early, first thing, or waiting around later, last thing. And even at embarkation, where it seems anyone can pretty much try to get on board at any time just by showing up. The "assigned" times hardly matter. Good point about clustering at disembarkation. What’s the rush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Hlitner Posted December 26, 2023 #111 Share Posted December 26, 2023 1 hour ago, harryw said: Good point about clustering at disembarkation. What’s the rush? We cruise on many different lines, and with the exception of a few small luxury ships, embarkation/disembarkation always showcases the folks that simply live to be in queues. It is an amazing phenomenon, but if you start a line there are folks who simply love to get in that line (and than complain about the line). It is the same at airports. If there are two security lines folks seem to relish getting in the longest line if it means they do not need to walk 20 feet to a shorter line. Human nature. Hank 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lj77346 Posted December 26, 2023 #112 Share Posted December 26, 2023 3 hours ago, harryw said: Good point about clustering at disembarkation. What’s the rush? An issue with Oceania is that it requests you vacate your room by 8 a.m. In general people do, but there is limited space to sit and wait, so lines start. Add to that the almost complete lack of anyone in authority being visible during disembarkation so that's like giving tacit permission to line up anytime you want as no one is checking to see if your tag color was called yet. I find a good solution is to eat breakfast in the GDR and plan to finish eating at 8:30 or later and that eliminates some of the cluster problems. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryw Posted December 26, 2023 Author #113 Share Posted December 26, 2023 27 minutes ago, lj77346 said: An issue with Oceania is that it requests you vacate your room by 8 a.m. In general people do, but there is limited space to sit and wait, so lines start. Add to that the almost complete lack of anyone in authority being visible during disembarkation so that's like giving tacit permission to line up anytime you want as no one is checking to see if your tag color was called yet. I find a good solution is to eat breakfast in the GDR and plan to finish eating at 8:30 or later and that eliminates some of the cluster problems. I have to say that I’m addicted to room service the day of departure. I’m not a morning person to begin with, and O’s excellent early bird service helps ease the shock. And the food arrives hot! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted December 26, 2023 #114 Share Posted December 26, 2023 5 hours ago, mnocket said: fwiw I'm sailing on Regent, lying by the pool as I write this. There is no shortage of pool lounges, but the ones in the shade are in high demand... and yes, they get "reserved" by chair hogs🙁 how many loungers do they have on the pool deck?? I cannot imagine there is one per pax maybe just the Pax are more interested in other activities vs sitting on the pooldeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnocket Posted December 27, 2023 #115 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, LHT28 said: how many loungers do they have on the pool deck?? I cannot imagine there is one per pax maybe just the Pax are more interested in other activities vs sitting on the pooldeck I said enough loungers to satisfy demand, not one per pax. Regent seems to have enough to satisfy demand - which is far less than one per pax. They just don't have enough in the shade. Hence a shortage - hence hoarding (i.e. chair hogs). My point is you're always going to have a problem with chair hogs as long as demand exceeds supply. Edited December 27, 2023 by mnocket 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d9704011 Posted December 27, 2023 #116 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Just now, mnocket said: I said enough loungers to satisfy demand, not one per pax. How many do you estimate that may be? Please show your calculations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnocket Posted December 27, 2023 #117 Share Posted December 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, d9704011 said: How many do you estimate that may be? Please show your calculations. I can count them tomorrow, but you seem to miss my point. As long as demand exceeds supply, there is going to be a problem with chair hogs. In Regent's case there are enough loungers, just not enough in the shade - hence a problem with chair hogs for those loungers. OP asked if the problem with chair hogs was unsolvable. I believe the only surefire solution is for cruise lines to bring supply in balance with demand. Short of that, I don't see a real solution. Do you disagree? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted December 27, 2023 #118 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Maybe cruise lines can make more shade by the pool OH but wait then those that want sun would be complaining it is a no win situation 😲 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d9704011 Posted December 27, 2023 #119 Share Posted December 27, 2023 11 hours ago, mnocket said: I can count them tomorrow, but you seem to miss my point. As long as demand exceeds supply, there is going to be a problem with chair hogs. In Regent's case there are enough loungers, just not enough in the shade - hence a problem with chair hogs for those loungers. OP asked if the problem with chair hogs was unsolvable. I believe the only surefire solution is for cruise lines to bring supply in balance with demand. Short of that, I don't see a real solution. Do you disagree? No, I do not disagree; how do you propose balancing the supply/demand given the boundary conditions of available space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pinotlover Posted December 27, 2023 #120 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, MEFIowa said: O appears absolutely loath to "enforce" or "discipline" anything. Relying on peer pressure or social convention to prevail. Which may work 90% of the time for 90% of the issues. But apparently not for those lounging around the pool. You really see this with issues tied to disembarkation. Usually a cluster foxtrot where all the color coding and timing turns into a mass of people trying to get off. Either all early, first thing, or waiting around later, last thing. And even at embarkation, where it seems anyone can pretty much try to get on board at any time just by showing up. The "assigned" times hardly matter. I agree wholeheartedly with this. But Oceania cruisers are special and easily offended. Very easily. Case in point is an ongoing thread where a cruiser was made to change their shoes in Toscana. Lots of things that poster could have done to prevent the situation, but they chose to be offended because a Restaurant Manager actually enforced the dress codes. Something many of us applaud. So what happens when a chair hog is Offended because the staff moves his belongings after a couple of hours of absence? We’ll hear about it here. As for the heinous situation at disembarkation, it amazes me how often we get posters wanting to know if they can make that 9:30 flight out of Miami, or some 10:00 out of FCO! They booked them because the itinerary was convenient for them, then months later they want to know if they’re actually doable. Clear the tracks, the morons will line up in front of the elevator doors, with all the luggage, blocking all trying to get off. There is a limit to the number of “ special “ passengers you can have and maintain order. Oceania often exceeds that number. Edited December 27, 2023 by pinotlover 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SATaxman Posted December 27, 2023 #121 Share Posted December 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, pinotlover said: I agree wholeheartedly with this. But Oceania cruisers are special and easily offended. Very easily. Case in point is an ongoing thread where a cruiser was made to change their shoes in Toscana. Lots of things that poster could have done to prevent the situation, but they chose to be offended because a Restaurant Manager actually enforced the dress codes. Something many of us applaud. So what happens when a chair hog is Offended because the staff moves his belongings after a couple of hours of absence? We’ll hear about it here. As for the heinous situation at disembarkation, it amazes me how often we get posters wanting to know if they can make that 9:30 flight out of Miami, or some 10:00 out of FCO! They booked them because the itinerary was convenient for them, then months later they want to know if they’re actually doable. Clear the tracks, the morons will line up in front of the elevator doors, with all the luggage, blocking all trying to get off. There is a limit to the number of “ special “ passengers you can have and maintain order. Oceania often exceeds that number. We took our first O cruise in October. Loved about 98% of it. The disembarkation was awful. We were in an Oceania Suite and were told we could disembark with the earliest group. Staying in Rome, no rush to catch a flight. We arrive to the area where everyone was struggling down the stairs to disembark. I said to my husband there has to be a gangplank somewhere. I asked and was shown the way. When we arrived to retrieve our luggage, the people working there asked where everyone else was. I told them that people were struggling down the stairs with luggage. I am certain there were experienced O passengers who knew they could avoid the stairs; however, no announcement, no sign, and being "newbies" we asked since it made no sense to us. Gathered our luggage easily, our car was waiting, and we spent several great days in Rome. We have booked another O cruise for 2025. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kibutzer Posted December 27, 2023 #122 Share Posted December 27, 2023 13 hours ago, mnocket said: I can count them tomorrow, but you seem to miss my point. As long as demand exceeds supply, there is going to be a problem with chair hogs. In Regent's case there are enough loungers, just not enough in the shade - hence a problem with chair hogs for those loungers. OP asked if the problem with chair hogs was unsolvable. I believe the only surefire solution is for cruise lines to bring supply in balance with demand. Short of that, I don't see a real solution. Do you disagree? When people save two loungers per person demand will exceed supply. And pack more chairs will only make it a trip hazard. Passengers that are considerate is what is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertygo Posted December 27, 2023 #123 Share Posted December 27, 2023 1 hour ago, kibutzer said: When people save two loungers per person demand will exceed supply. And pack more chairs will only make it a trip hazard. Passengers that are considerate is what is needed. What’s needed is for Oceania to post a large sign that items will be removed from loungers after 30 minutes of non-use, post a staff member to monitor & then enforce. Yes, there will be annoyed entitled idiots, but once everyone realizes there are rules that actually must be observed chair hugging should be less of a problem. Oceania needs to grow some🤞 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Vallesan Posted December 27, 2023 #124 Share Posted December 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, Vertygo said: What’s needed is for Oceania to post a large sign that items will be removed from loungers after 30 minutes of non-use, post a staff member to monitor & then enforce. Yes, there will be annoyed entitled idiots, but once everyone realizes there are rules that actually must be observed chair hugging should be less of a problem. Oceania needs to grow some🤞 I would HATE to sail Oceania with “LARGE SIGNS”. Most people don’t disrespect the loungers. I sail Oceania for its ‘small’ ship atmosphere and would hate for it to turn into the same ideology as a ‘humungous ship’! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertygo Posted December 27, 2023 #125 Share Posted December 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Vallesan said: I would HATE to sail Oceania with “LARGE SIGNS”. Most people don’t disrespect the loungers. I sail Oceania for its ‘small’ ship atmosphere and would hate for it to turn into the same ideology as a ‘humungous ship’! I didn’t say “signs”, just one. Make it a small sign if you wish. From the discussion it sounds like more than a few people hogging or else it wouldn’t be a problem. The key is enforcement. If O can monitor shoes in restaurants they can certainly monitor chairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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