Are rules meant to be broken???

[afcj1]

I had this same question. My son and I will be going on the Fantasy in March 2010, 3 weeks shy of his 15th birthday. I know he will feel like he is with really younger kids if he goes to the 12-14 group. He is 6 feet tall and shaves! If they can't be flexible, he will probabally just hangout with me. Great for me, but I would like for him to have some teen fun too.

 

Be ready to have company:D You may want to consider setting expectations, so there's no disappointment. When my son was that age he wasn't allowed to go up in the brackets. I had company too:)

 

At that age it's a "hit or miss" anyway, if they're really interested in the camp. My son always met the other kids outside of Camp Carnival, so he rarely ever attended. If he tends to be social, he won't have any problems having new "friends" to hang out with.

[ib4cruzn]

Our stupid city (Yakima Washington) just enacted a law making it a crime to have a womans thong showing above her pant line, forgetting the stupid gangbangers and there droopy drawers in the law.

 

The mayor that pushed it thru is a pastor of the biggest church in town and soon to lose his next bid at mayor.

 

I could tell you some stories about your Mayor when we played legion ball. ;-P

 

I'm originally from the Metropolis of Moxee.

[deepnite10]

I'm sorry' date=' but, when you are on someone elses property, and they have rules, you either pay attention to the rules or stay off the property.

 

It has nothing to do with "laws"...for which there is a penalty if you break one.[/quote']

 

unfortunately there s alot of people that don t understand your point..

 

you have rules in your home..*if your an adult*..if someone comes to your home and does nt follow the rules..how would you feel?..exceptions?..HELL NO..it s your home and you ll be to sole interprators of the those rules..and i won t even get into the interpretation whether they re fair or not..it s your house..

 

there are laws, criminal and civil..to punish the wrong doers and give justice to the offended..some of which we all may disagree..then the rules

to ensure a orderly society..whether it be in classroom, home..or cruiseship..

 

if you don t like the cruiseline rules and can t abide by them..then buy a majority share to make your own rules..:rolleyes:..and we ll see how many people will want to cruise on the ships..

[LemurCat]

And a lot of people in this thread need to go look up the meanings of laws, rules, and guidelines and stop using the terms interchangably. Because they DO NOT mean the same things.

[Kurbanfan]

it is a rule of cc that this board maintain carnival cruiseline topics.. All other topics should be brought up in floataway...

 

That is of course unless the mods want to bend the rules and let it run..

 

Lol;)

 

lol!!!!

[valancy1]

These rules are a product of the computer age. When my daughter, who started cruising with me at the age of 12, we would visit Camp Carnival during the welcome aboard orientation. My daughter would decide at that time which age group she wanted to join, and as her parent, I would list her age as being within that group.

 

Oooh. I wonder what the example of this is teaching children... that it is ok to lie just to get what you want? Ack.

[valancy1]

IMO, rules should not be broken, but that doesn't mean they can't be changed. I'm certainly more on the "follow the rules" side, but am not completely rigid about it. I have no problem with the parents politely asking the staff of Camp Carnival if their child could participate in the older group. If they were told "yes", then they would be operating under a different set of rules (or an "exception" if you will). However, when they were told "no", they should have accepted it and shut up about it. It's not fair to others (from the Camp Carnival staff to the readers of the review) to inflict their unwarranted negativity upon them...

 

There you go! Yeah, what HE said. You can ask, but accept the answer you are given. :)

 

OK, I'm done now. :D

[kyrisong1]

Yeah...I have to agree. Here is a recent example, thirty days for killing someone while driving drunk. All too often justice is for sale in our nation.:(

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?prov=ap&slug=ap-stallworth-pedestriankilled&type=lgns

:eek: thats outrageous!!!! The poor family of the victim.

And no I've never worked in law enforcement , I'm a nurse. I did work in the prison in medical and rules did NOT bend there or you would have anarchy!!!

So I guess different experience for all huh?

I believe that the rules are there for a reason, my complaint is not with bending rules for a reasonable thing, however if you do it for one you have to do it for all don't you? If not then you have inequality, who will be the "chosen ones" that are allowed to bend the rules?

We have judges that are supposed to be completely impartial and only mete out justice according to the law, is that not still the legal system?

Seems things are just so askew anymore.

So I guess it depends on where you are in the legal system, and how you choose to practice. But what if that guy with a little bit of MJ hits a kid or something cause they were high? What then does that say for the cop?

Food for thought.

Carole

[kyrisong1]

I'm sorry but I don't buy into the whole "rules should bend with needs or wants" and luckily in our society the laws don't bend for needs or wants either.

JMO, Carole

 

You obviously have never been in law enforcement! Rules (laws) are bent routinely. It is simply a question of degree. Have you any idea how clogged the system would get if we busted everyone who is caught with a little MJ?

Do you have any idea how clogged the health care system would be if we treated everyone that came in with a little chest pain? Oh wait we do, it is clogged, but guess what? It's our job.

[kyrisong1]

Those of you who take the ridgid approach to the OP's question, consider some laws that are currently on the books in the state of Nebraska and ask yourself if you want such rules (laws) enforced. Note that there are similar statutes in every state.

 

Nebraska Stupid laws

 

 

Better teach your kids a few new church tricks in Nebraska…

A parent can be arrested if his child cannot hold back a burp during a church service.

 

The owner of every hotel in Hastings, Nebraska, is required to provide each guest with a clean and pressed nightshirt. No couple, even if they are married, may sleep together in the nude. Nor may they have sex unless they are wearing one of these clean, white cotton nightshirts.

 

Nebraska stupid and crazy laws by county

 

* Doughnut holes may not be sold. (Lehigh)

* Sneezing or burping is illegal during a church service. (Omaha)

* A man is not allowed to run around with a shaved chest. (Omaha)

* Barbers are forbidden from eating onions between 7 A.M. and 7 P.M. (Waterloo)

And you choose Nebraska for your example because??????? There are outdated laws in every state, and I am pretty sure our police are much busier with the gang control problems than with farts in church.

I would be interested in you researching some of the Alabama stupid laws, I'm sure there are just as many, or any other state for that matter.

Hey this is even a better suggestion, can you tell us when the last time anyone was arrested for any of these infractions?:rolleyes:

[trailercruiser]

Great analogy and well put!:)

If this had been my child... we would have been in court for other reasons... :rolleyes:

Yes thank god for the 5 conservative justices who voted that way or we would have a real problem. I still can't believe the 4 libs on that voted that it was ok to do that to that girl, but then again I am about to be told what health care doctor i can see. As someone from Canada please don't go there America.

[bonniemari]

Our stupid city (Yakima Washington) just enacted a law making it a crime to have a womans thong showing above her pant line, forgetting the stupid gangbangers and there droopy drawers in the law.

 

The mayor that pushed it thru is a pastor of the biggest church in town and soon to lose his next bid at mayor.

 

 

Move to TN-we just passed a law making droopy drawers against the law. I'm sure it was geared toward gangbangers but i feel sorry for the plumber that was at my house last year.

 

I am all for rules-thats what makes a civilized society function better.

 

What bothers me on this thread (and in IRL) that people openly admit to teaching their children that its ok to bend/break rules.

[LemurCat]

And we live in a country that was founded on people not wanting to follow rules. Should we stop teaching history?

 

Oh wait, we already did.

[yst347]

Yes thank god for the 5 conservative justices who voted that way or we would have a real problem. I still can't believe the 4 libs on that voted that it was ok to do that to that girl, but then again I am about to be told what health care doctor i can see. As someone from Canada please don't go there America.

 

The vote was 8 to 1, not 5 to 4. The opinion was written by David Souter, a liberal justice. The lone dissenter was Clarance Thomas, a conservative justice.

[LemurCat]

The vote was 8 to 1, not 5 to 4. The opinion was written by David Souter, a liberal justice. The lone dissenter was Clarance Thomas, a conservative justice.

 

Don't confuse people with facts. It makes the blow-hard talking head commentators on cable news networks look really bad and undercuts the talking points they're supposed to be ingraining in their audiences' brains.

[Drew B]

So you would never take your own candy into a movie theatre ("no outside food or drink permitted") - I WOULDN'T - or move up to vacant, field-level seats (from your cheaper nosebleed tickets) at a baseball, football (fill-in-the-blank yourself) game - I WOULDN'T, or take a cell-phone camera photo of yourself at a concert ("no photographic or recording devices permitted") - IF THAT WAS THE RULE, I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN BROUGHT A CELL PHONE WITH A CAMERA IN?

 

 

Some people don't begin with the assumption that they are entitled to anything they may desire. If I want something but the rules say I can't have it, I do without it. No big deal... Denying oneself an occasional whim is hardly a terrible thing. In fact, I think it makes people stronger to know that they don't always have to get their way.

[trock]

Yes thank god for the 5 conservative justices who voted that way or we would have a real problem. I still can't believe the 4 libs on that voted that it was ok to do that to that girl, but then again I am about to be told what health care doctor i can see. As someone from Canada please don't go there America.

 

 

I dont know what the news is reporting in Canada, but Clarence Thomas was the lone disenter...

I dont care if it's libs, righties, lefties etc.. I want common sense... that is more important in a case such as this!:)

[trock]

The vote was 8 to 1, not 5 to 4. The opinion was written by David Souter, a liberal justice. The lone dissenter was Clarance Thomas, a conservative justice.

 

Don't confuse people with facts. It makes the blow-hard talking head commentators on cable news networks look really bad and undercuts the talking points they're supposed to be ingraining in their audiences' brains.

 

 

OOPS Posted before I saw this..

Thanks

[Fancy_Goods]

Didn't you know? Rules are merely guidelines!

[LemurCat]

Didn't you know? Rules are merely guidelines!

 

No, no, no! You've got it all wrong! Rules are only suggestions when it come to things one's kid wants to do -- like throwing a bottle off of the side of a ship. They're rules when it directly benefits the parent though -- like no kids in the casino. And they're guidelines when a parent can't make up their mind.

[Jacky4]

I really don't see that it makes a difference what the circumstances are. EVERYONE has circumstances in their own eyes, that make perfect sense to them.

I think if the minimum age is 9 to get into that group then they should not try to get an 8 year old in it. I know some want to keep the kids together and so forth, but they plan the activities that are age appropriate and people need to just stop expecting the world to stop on it's axis and go the other way just to please them, we have a HUGE me generation out there. :rolleyes:

JMO, Carole

 

I agree. It drives me crazy when people want to be the exception in Camp Carnival. If my child is in the 9 - 11 year old group I expect there to only be 9 - 11 year olds there. I think it's funny that people want their children to be in the same groups...do you ask the teachers at school if your children can be in the same grade???:)

[mom2tcdx2]

I suppose ultimately sometimes people question a rule because it doesn't make any sense to them. For instance I see all the time on her no swim diapers in the pools, with references made all the time to it being against health regulations etc to allow swim diapers. I noted for instance Disney cruise line has this rule on their ships however they clearly post at their resorts that swim diapers are ok. I don't understand why allowed in one and not the other. I however don't have any kids that age anymore but found it odd when I read those statements at each.

 

I found it hard to explain to my daughter recently - no cell phones at school means no cell phones at school. Was hard to counter why she could name tons of kids who all carried phones to school and she couldn't understand why I didn't let her take hers.

 

However I may disagree with a rule but ultimately I should be bound to follow it, it may make no sense to me or seem strange, odd, etc but generally I guess you go with it.

 

As for children in a casino I thought that fell under more of a law, same as the legal drinking age. But I don't know. Where as the kids club are rules, guidelines, same with height requirement for a slide, etc. But anyway I make my best attempt to follow the rules and don't post something negative just because I disagree.

[LemurCat]

I agree. It drives me crazy when people want to be the exception in Camp Carnival. If my child is in the 9 - 11 year old group I expect there to only be 9 - 11 year olds there. I think it's funny that people want their children to be in the same groups...do you ask the teachers at school if your children can be in the same grade???:)

 

I get your sentiment, but that's a bad analogy. There's a world of difference between the guidelines Carnival uses for setting up their youth activity groups and state educational statutes that dictates what grade a child should be placed in.

 

And even those state statutes have exemptions and exceptions -- take, for example, giften children who accelerated a grade level.

[mom2tcdx2]

I agree. It drives me crazy when people want to be the exception in Camp Carnival. If my child is in the 9 - 11 year old group I expect there to only be 9 - 11 year olds there. I think it's funny that people want their children to be in the same groups...do you ask the teachers at school if your children can be in the same grade???:)

 

 

I think with the difference is your kids are on vacation and perhaps they would like to be with their siblings etc. My daughter will be 11 and son is 14. When reading the activities posted for her age she doesn't like them and does like the activities posted for his age group. So ultimately neither will go to the kids clubs because she won't like the activities and he won't go because he is pretty afraid of kids he doesn't know etc (he has Asperger's and ADHD and a little anxiety as well). Being he won't know anyone there he is unlikely to go.

 

Which I don't mind but that means they will be with me more often, evening shows, all meals, pools, waterslides, etc.

[LemurCat]

I suppose ultimately sometimes people question a rule because it doesn't make any sense to them. For instance I see all the time on her no swim diapers in the pools, with references made all the time to it being against health regulations etc to allow swim diapers. I noted for instance Disney cruise line has this rule on their ships however they clearly post at their resorts that swim diapers are ok. I don't understand why allowed in one and not the other. I however don't have any kids that age anymore but found it odd when I read those statements at each.

 

Different filtration systems for the pools means different ways of achieving the same level of sanitation.

 

I found it hard to explain to my daughter recently - no cell phones at school means no cell phones at school. Was hard to counter why she could name tons of kids who all carried phones to school and she couldn't understand why I didn't let her take hers.

 

I bet she's passed the age when telling her that her friends have bad parents is acceptable? ;) (I kid, I kid!)

 

As for children in a casino I do believe that falls under more of a law, same as the legal drinking age. Where as the kids club are rules, guidelines.

 

No way, baby. International waters. Carnival could offer monkey knife fights and no one could stop them. The gambling and drinking ages are ships' rules. I guess you could call them corporate policies, but ultimately, no one but Carnival is enforcing them.