thethreechunks

Ok seriously worried now. We are 5 in a Family Oceanview with Balcony (11th deck) on Allure leaving on Sunday 9/7. I am warm due to hyperthyroid condition (not 24/7 but have serious sweats at night and early AM). If it becomes a problem will they allow/provide a fan? I will report back the AC situation upon returning.

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Interesting

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We've carried 8 1L bottles several times in San Juan. However, we've also had our water refused in Port Canaveral during the spring break period.

I was going to start a new thread asking this question, but since someone else sort of did... Can we bring water on to the ship? Like, legitimately? If so how much is the official amount?

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Uh oh...

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Yes, they have character breakfasts on Allure. Last I heard they were charging adults $10, but the kids were still free.

Thank you

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Sorry if this is a dumb question but do they have character breakfasts on the Allure and if so is there a surcharge?

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I m not saying you are blaming the parents, but it is a very unrealistic expectation that a parent can be vigilant every second of the day.even your post says it only takes a second.

I'm sure if we all look back on growing up or raising our own children we see how fragile and lucky we are.

 

While I agree it is the parents responsibility to watch their children I also feel the cruise lines can do more:

 

1) not have a 5'7 pool.

2) provide life jackets around the pool

3) have life guards....most family resorts like Disney have many lifeguards

4) limit pool capacity... The cruise lines love getting 5,000 people on a ship, but does the infrastructure support this many around a pool? On ship days you could walk across a pool on everyone's head from one end to the other.

 

These improvements would add to the safety of the children.

I agree, cruise lines are really targeting young families, and therefore should provide adequate and safe pool facilities for a younger set... 5 ft 7inches is entirely too deep. Even for a vigilant parent...

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.....so far, there have been no-one that I've seen in this thread who has claimed to intentionally purchase and share the drink package in order to save a bunch of money, beat the system, get 2 for 1 - but there have been a couple of people who have admitted grabbing the occasional drink for a family member.

 

 

 

In my case - my husband and I bought the drink package, (on Carnival - this wasn't even on RCI), and didn't even come close to breaking even on it, (yes, I've been well scolded for my stupidity in this thread for doing such a thing as making a mistake with a purchase). We just were not drinking to the level that we thought we would. We had a 20 year old with us, (who is not considered underaged at home or anywhere else in the world outside of the US), and did, through the course of the cruise - get a couple of drinks for her. Call the police! Carnival got their profit out of us on both drink packages - and as much as I aided and abetted a serious crime - it wasn't a serious crime to me. I'm Canadian - people start drinking at around 18 here - cultural difference. And every port we went to was the same - we were not on US land.

 

 

 

OK, so now that we've established that I'm a thief and a criminal and should be drawn and quartered - let's remind you that we didn't get on the boat at 11am on Day 1 to gorge ourselves in the buffet. We didn't order extra entrees and desserts and take one bite of them. We spent a stupid bundle on pictures. We bought crap in the gift store. We auto tipped and gave extra to the staff. We ate in the specialty restaurant. We didn't eat everything in sight or waste food. We went to the spa. We didn't sneak booze on the ship.

 

 

 

Carnival would probably love to have us back - we are the kind of customers that create profit for providers. We were low maintenance and we spent money - on optional stuff. A lot of money.

 

 

 

The Cruise industry is not a social service - they are not providing us with vacation options out of the goodness of their hearts - they have calculated and capitalized over every single profit potential that they can. They will charge exactly as much for services as the market will bear and not a penny less. They have studied and put into practice every possible way that they can to get as much money out of us that they can. That's business!

 

 

 

Anyone who thinks that the prices would drop if they never shared a drink from a package or who ordered an extra dessert is sadly mistaken.

 

 

 

I am super judgemental of people who intentionally go out to gouge - people who intend to take far more than what they pay for and look to save a buck at someone else's expense at every turn. People who take and take and who don't want to tip or purchase anything - ever - but are first in line for anything that is included. The spectrum of breaking rules, bending rules and taking advantage of something the odd time is pretty big - I don't think one size fits all.

 

 

 

I'm not suggesting that anyone get anyone else a drink on their drink package if they don't want to. If that isn't in your comfort zone, even if doing so would only help you break even - don't do it. But on our next cruise (RCI), my husband and I will either both get it or neither of us will - so no-one worry your pretty heads about us - we're trying to learn from last time when we really didn't drink as much as we thought we would. Paying as we go is probably smarter for us.

 

 

 

I guess in my very, very, very limited cruising experience - I saw more waste, more gluttony than anywhere I've ever been - why don't all of you ethics police go after the eaters and claim that if they weren't such gluttons, the prices will go down, (they won't). And I saw more gouging on behalf of the cruise line, (price of pictures, price of internet, price of bottled water etc). In my opinion, the bad, taking advantage of behavior is equally present on both sides - lots of greed to go around and probably fairly distributed.

 

 

 

This thread is replete with glass houses but there is comfort on the internet that anyone wagging their fingers will never be exposed when they do something that isn't 100% on the up & up. And I say when, not if.

Thank you voice of reason! Perfect :)

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RC is being cheated as someone is getting something that was not bought with the intent of them drinking it.

 

 

 

 

 

I am not the one telling others they are WRONG, I am giving my OPINION on what the packages are meant to be. You are the arguing and telling everyone they are wrong.

 

Enjoy the argument, I am done. People will do whatever they want, after all it is their vacation :rolleyes:

In the original scenario it was bought with the intention of having the adult drink it. The child has a need the parent meets it. RCI has not lost a penny. But yeah I'm done too...

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Since it is spontaneous, it is ok to do something wrong?

 

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Wrong for who? A bottle of paid water to my child? You must be insane if you think RCI would object to that.

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Again, if you know your child is going to want water during the week, upgrade his or her package so that he/she can obtain it without your assistance.

 

 

 

I would also guess that if you did this in front of of several RCL bartenders, the majority of them would ask you not to share packages for the remainder of the cruise.

 

 

 

There is a potential cost here to all of us...RCL could decide to change the program to make it more expensive in the future through the elimination of certain packages or making all family members have the same type of package (depending on their ages of course).

Not going to argue. You must not understand or don't want to understand. I am certain what I originally stated does not violate the spirit of the drink package policy.

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Um, how about Royal being wronged? Because that's who you're cheating.

Pointless to keep trying to reason with someone who refuses to reason. At this point you must know you're wrong but can't give up the fight. No problem, enjoy the rest of your day off.

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perhaps banging her head against the wall is whats needed .It might turn on the common sense part of the brain

 

 

 

;cj

I guess when you lack intelligent responses you resort to insults.

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It's really very simple....can your child use his/her sign and sail card to obtain a bottled water? If not....there is reason.

 

 

 

Another question, would you switch drinks in front of a RCL employee? If not, why not?

Again, we're not talking about "mom I want a water go steal me one" it's about in the moment my child wanting water and me switching drinks with her. It's not premeditated, and you bet I would let her have it in front of an employee. No one in their right mind would object.

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Whose name is on the soda package? Let's say SUSIE. Susie should only be able to get soda. That's what her card says.

 

Whose name is on the Replenish card? Let's say MOM. Mom should only be able to get what's included with the Replinish package. If Mom gets a water and gives it to Susie, Mom is abusing the package deal.

 

I don't care how you spin it, you know it's not right. It doesn't matter that everyone is getting a beverage package. I get that part. It does matter how the beverages are distributed. And you want to do something everyone here is trying to tell you is wrong. Why not just bring on a 24-pack of water for your daughter and cut out all the nonsense.

I get that this is your opinion... But it's just that your opinion. You have been insulting since your initial response. It is absurd considering that A) it has not happened and B) you are talking about a spontaneous minute decision to give my child a water and drink her soda. It makes no sense this is even still

being debated.

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In my scenario you have the package that covers the alcoholic drink, not the person who is drinking it, although they do have a different package. Sorry I am not the one that is wrong here.

You are wrong. For it to be 'theft' there must be a party being wronged. My point is even if you wouldn't do it because you feel it's wrong, it doesn't make it theft. What I stated originally was a hypothetical situation not a plan to cheat RC out of a bottled water, which again I paid for...

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But, what he is saying, is that he got the mash potato, and his child got the salad. So they have paid up front, say. Then they get back to the table, and he eats the salad and his child eats the mash. He has paid for both, so the company hasn't missed out on anything. They have just swapped. That I believe is what he is saying.

Yes! Thank you!

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So here is another scenario similar to how I am reading your situation. You have 4 in your family all over 21. One of you buys the premium package (say that is you) which includes alcohol, the other 3 get the replenish package. You paid for all 4 packages. Using your logic, you can get an alcoholic drink using your package and give it to one of the others in your group?

 

To me that is abusing (I will stay away from the stealing word) the package. Do you agree?

Absolutely not. We are all getting packages with full intention of using our packages. Should the situation arise where one of our own needs/wants a water, they can get it and it's not stealing. I never said I I would buy one package package to share among 5. It's amazing the lengths you would go to prove a ridiculously lame statement. Just face it you're wrong.

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You are paying for a soda package for your child, it includes soda, not water. Your replenish package includes both soda and water. You can spin it anyway you want but your child's package does not include water.

That is not in question. No one said water was part of the package. I am disagreeing with calling it theft. Who exactly am I stealing from?? Everything is paid for...

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Folks, can I pls respectfully ask that we lighten the tone a bit here, to call people's parenting skills in to what was originally meant to be a simple thread is verging on bullying in my personal opinion.

Agreed

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You just don't get it. What ever.

What are you teaching your children?

The proper definition of words to begin with. Also how to share without breaking the rules. Sadly your alleged moral high ground doesn't allow you to see what is so simple.

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I understood QUITE WELL, thank you very much. There is no mis-understanding on my part. You are re-defining the drink package to your advantage. If you want your daughter to get a water that is NOT included with her package, PURCHASE THE PACKAGE FOR HER THAT INCLUDES IT. You have a water, she has a water, only one person paid for the water. THAT IS STEALING, no matter how you re-phrase it. Sorry, TRADING doesn't cut it!

 

And, just so you know, I am home, day off, doing cleaning, laundry, dishes. So I am not stealing time from my employer.

So you say. Read slower. I paid for everything. Everything belongs to me. I can swap a water for a soda. It is OK. No one is stealing. No one loses money. It is paid for. I paid for it. It might be embarrassing for you now that you understand - maybe you understand. Either way what you think (or don't) doesn't matter. Lastly using all caps doesn't change the meaning of a word. If you're not sure on your next day off buy a dictionary and look up theft, steal, stolen ;-)

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Someone is getting a perk they are NOT entitled to. It is stealing.

 

Please, be an adult, pay the price and quit whining about it.

 

You know it's not right or you wouldn't be asking about it.

 

To get something you are not paying for is STEALING, no way around it.

I'm sorry for your poor reading comprehension - everyone IS purchasing a package. That I am paying for. Me. So if I get a water for myself and afterwards my child would rather have the water than the soda on her refreshment package we can trade. It is not stealing. Both drinks were purchased with money from my pocket. Therefore stop pretending you understood my question, let alone the tone of it. I hope you didn't type up that response during work hours because that's stealing.

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By definition it is not theft. —noun

the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.

I paid for ALL the drink packages (for all 5 of us) therefore the term "theft" is incorrect.

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