dogs4thewin

God, I hope not!! This will give the phonies out there full carte blank to cheat true service animals & those that need them. Plenty of Lawyers & Doctors will gladly sign notes...for a fee!

They may they may not, but as it has been PROVEN that there are benefits I would not be shocked if it made the law one of these days for that matter if it made it sooner whether than later. It is worth noting that one could in fact make the argument that alcohol is legal today due to such abuse. So many people were abusing the medical loophole that between that and other factors such as HALF of all federal prisoners being incarcerated for alcohol offenses the ban did not even make it two decades.

Hasn't with us. Service animals are welcome. Emotional animals are NOT.

There is a chance that they may begin to be accepted into the law as service animals as they become more common. Particularly since science has proven that in fact they can be of benefit.

In fact, the solution is much simpler. As I haven't posted on this thread before, but have stated on other threads dealing with service animals and their fake counterparts, the ADA really does not pertain to foreign flag cruise ships. Yes, the cruise line has to provide accommodation to anyone, regardless of disability, and they need to make "reasonably attainable" changes to accessibility, but Spector v. NCL specifically states that the "internal policies and procedures" of a foreign flag cruise ship do not fall within the purview of the ADA.

 

Therefore, if CLIA would only come out with a set of "service animal behavior" guidelines, much as they do in the ticket contract for passengers, then whatever the cruise lines decide as to policy regarding the documentation or request for information, or doctor's certification spelling out the need for the animal, regarding the animal is totally legal.

 

As stated in the ADA, service animals are only to be in two places, either on the floor, or in the owner's arms. This could be used to quickly disembark the dog strollers and dogs on chairs type of "service or support animals".

The risk you take if you limit that is that someone could decide they will not do business based on such policies enough people do that you will feel it.

The rights of the people inquiring? In the dumpster, I presume. The wheelchair abusers are FAR smaller than those who abuse the Service animal right. As a business owner, I DO have the right to ask "What service does your animal provide?" If you refuse, then I am in MY right to ask you to leave my premises. If you notice, I'm not asking the disability, I'm asking what service the animal provides. If the person refuses that request you can tell them to leave.

that, of course comes with a risk that you will lose business.

That would be fine by me, but it HAS to be a certified physician, not some fake(which is all to prevalent)

Well, I did not say it could be fake only that it would not have to be the case that a reason is listed.

That's the problem with the law..You CAN'T ask to have a certified letter from a health professional verify the need. This just allows for rampant fraud & it's totally the fault of those idiots in Washington & their damned P/C standards!

I came up with a way to meet in the middle. What if, they required people to provide a note, BUT either not require or even not permit the note to state why. Have an actual doctor that is treating the person write the note, but say the person has PTSD they could not require you to tell that you have PTSD only require that you have the note to say that you have SOMETHING from which you benefit from an emotional support animal.

That's the problem with the law..You CAN'T ask to have a certified letter from a health professional verify the need. This just allows for rampant fraud & it's totally the fault of those idiots in Washington & their damned P/C standards!

But the problem is that the ADA states that I have a right ( happen to be disabled) I have the right to not tell you what disability I have. If I choose to that is my right, but if I do NOT want to you have no right to REQUIRE me to tell what my disability is. I personally do not have a service animal, but I DO have a wheelchair. Could people abuse that yes do they abuse it YES. Do I hate it when people abuse it YES, BUT, at the same time I understand that it is not fair to have people refuse to serve people with disabities it is neither legal nor moral.

> Carnival has very limited accessible rooms

 

Sadly, that seems to be true of most if not all of the major lines. However, my wheelchair-bound SIL sailed on Carnival last summer and found it quite accessible. She also found shore tours she could manage. I can't remember which ship but it was an Eastern Caribbean cruise, possibly out of Galveston.

When we went on RC they had I believe 30 something handicap staterooms. One thing I liked about them is that ON their site they actually have a list of accessiable features by ship I REALLY liked that, but I could not find out on the Carnival.

 

Additionally, because they are cheaper it may be the case that it harder to get a room because there are BOTH fewer rooms and more people wanting them.

Another issue is with service animals they can not asks a person what is their disability. If you WERE to require a letter like that then that would nullfy that.

Was glad to see this. I'm sure there are people with genuine needs, but the last few years its been getting out of hand with people just bringing pets onboard, since nowadays you can get any pet a certificate making them an "emotional support animal" for $60. It's just not fair to the other passengers onboard

There should be room for exceptions though for people with genuine documented issues. Another case of people exploiting the open definitions for convenience, not need.

 

I agree with airlines (and hopefully cruiseships will follow)

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/emotional-support-animals-might-be-getting-kicked-off-flights-thanks-to-snakes-and-llamas-215404101.html

Maybe they could REQUIRE someone to have a letter from a professional maybe even require that it be a mental health professional. This way the people with genuine needs could have them, but you could not simply buy a piece pf paper that claims they need the animal.

I am disabled, and use a wheelchair (though I can walk some and transfer just not able to walk or stand long) Last year my family went on a cruise with RC. They were VERY helpful, however mom wishes to go on Carnival as it is cheaper. I could not find many details on their site concerning their acciability ( as opposed to RC which is VERY detailed by ship) I would like to know how Carnival is because I would rather pay more and enjoy the trip, as opposed to have a tough time dealing with them over my limitations.

 

actually it was last summer.

I am disabled, and use a wheelchair (though I can walk some and transfer just not able to walk or stand long) Last year my family went on a cruise with RC. They were VERY helpful, however mom wishes to go on Carnival as it is cheaper. I could not find many details on their site concerning their acciability ( as opposed to RC which is VERY detailed by ship) I would like to know how Carnival is because I would rather pay more and enjoy the trip, as opposed to have a tough time dealing with them over my limitations.