ksheehan16

On 11/15/2020 at 5:44 PM, Aus Traveller said:

I have to disagree strongly. Whether it is COVID or the flu, the death rate is higher for elderly than younger people.

 

Looking at CDC statistics for the US:

Annual flu, 9mill to 45 mill infections - deaths 12,000 to 61,000, a rate of 1 in 750

COVID - 11.1 mill infections - deaths 24,600 a rate of 1 in 45.

 

Some people who 'recover' from COVID (and maybe did not become very ill) are left with damage to their organs. It is believed that this is permanent.

You are right about covid and the flu affecting young and elderly. The good news is that covids affect on the young is 5 -10 times less than the annual flu.

There are many more covid infections than have been counted through testing. Many sources say 10 to 20 times the recorded count. That would bring the covid rate in line the annual flu.

On 11/9/2020 at 8:28 PM, PurpleHays said:

So, the next time you or a family member have a surgical procedure done, please tell the operating room staff that they don't have to wear a mask. 🙄 Go on, I dare you!

The studies I am referencing were for non-medical scenarios. They were designed to see if masks for general public use would prevent virus spread.

On 11/9/2020 at 7:43 PM, Aus Traveller said:

COVID is more infectious than the annual flu, and it also has a higher death rate. It kills not only older people: some younger people have also died.

It is more contagious but does have a death rate similar to the annual flu overall. Elderly unwell people die at a higher rate but 20 and under have a death rate much less than the annual flu. 

23 minutes ago, nocl said:

1. even with the mask requirements some people do not follow them

2. people continue to visit with family and friends assuming that they are safe, but it only takes one in a non masked, non socially distant to infect several

3. the mask rules don't help during inside dining, if the restaurant in not well ventilated.

 

and so forth

 

for mask to work everyone must wear them whenever they are close to others friend, family, co workers, etc. they must also wear them correctly. they must also socially distance  they must also practice good hygiene.

 

There are several studies that have looked at mask use, and have found that it does impact infections quite a bit. 

What do you propose? Everybody stay away from everybody else from now on. All for a virus that has a death rate not much different that the annual flu( for 20 and under much less affected than the annual flu). And, there are many studies released since the 1950's that indicate masks are of little use. 

On 11/7/2020 at 4:08 PM, nocl said:

Studies have shown in low virus environments (which is what most people face, if there are not in a medical center treating Covid patients) non-N95 masks doing quite well.

Where I live masks have been mandatory since mid July and, I think this is true most everywhere in the US and the world. If masks are working so well then why do cases continue to climb everywhere? Common sense says that masks are not doing much. We are into a normal flu season now where sickness and hospitalizations always increase every year. All virus is now Covid, flu has disappeared.

13 hours ago, caribill said:

The purpose of everyone wearing masks is not to protect the wearer (although it helps), but to keep an infected person from infecting others by containing droplets from sneezes or coughs within the mask they are wearing. An N95 mask is not required to do that.

 

People who say they are willing to take the risk of not wearing a mask do not realize they are putting others at risk, not themselves.

So what is the point of testing for Covid pre cruise if you are going to assume everyone onboard is infected. Reason and logic need to prevail at some point. If you are not infected then the risk to others is zero. For those under 70 and healthy your survival is similar the the annual flu.

2 hours ago, HappyInVan said:

Most cases are so minor that the infected don't bother to get tested. But, among those who are concerned enough to get tested in Georgia, 9% were admitted into a hospital.

 

Of those 18% ended up in ICU. How do these odds compare to winning at bingo or lotto?

 

You are making my point for me. I have read many times that up to 80% of cases have little or no symptoms. For the afraid, this makes it worse because everyone they come in contact is a potential killer. And, 18% of 9 % is about 1.6 (say 2) people out of 100 sent to ICU. That's 2% sent to ICU, most likely elderly with comorbidities . The elderly are smart enough to protect themselves. Why punish everybody else and destroy the economy?  Freedom.

5 hours ago, HappyInVan said:

So, I don't think that a typical senior person should get the disease. Probably would not end well.

From the CDC:

"According to those "best estimates," which were published this month as an update to the CDC's COVID-19 Planning Scenarios, the IFR is 0.02 percent for 20-to-49-year-olds and 0.5 percent for 50-to-69-year-olds."

The article does not say but the IFR (infection fatality rate) increases substantially beyond 70 but doesn't reach 5% until after 80.  But remember that most who die have comorbidities so if you are healthy then the risk is reduced. For me at 68 (senior?) and healthy( at least I think I am)  my chance of survival is 99.5% or greater.  Given that, I choose to live my life as normal as possible knowing that there is a small chance of getting covid and having a problem.  If I was 85 and in poor health then I would make a different choice.  Freedom has been taken away unnecessarily.  

On 10/12/2020 at 6:35 AM, ksheehan16 said:

It is amazing to me how afraid people are of something that is about as deadly (really less deadly for most age groups) as the annual flu.

7 hours ago, CarelessAndConfused said:

Your own statements are living proof of that.

I get it, maybe most people on these boards are elderly and may have health problems and are more at risk and unwilling to take a chance. I believe you should have the freedom to decide what action is appropriate for you based on your circumstance. 

I am 68, retired, in good health. I never stopped seeing my grandchildren.  My family and friends have not stopped shaking hands or hugging.  Personally, I have probably benefitted financially from the lockdown but from the beginning I was very concerned about the financial destruction, loss of jobs and  businesses that have taken place. Not to mention non-covid health problems including mental problems that have been exacerbated greatly.  

Instead of calling me crazy, tell me what is wrong with the statement. Then we will have something to discuss.

Facts do not matter anymore. The world has gone insane.

It is amazing to me how afraid people are of something that is about as deadly (really less deadly for most age groups) as the annual flu.

11 hours ago, Bgwest said:

Please don't sail if you are uncomfortable doing so. Very simple decision. 

Agree.

21 hours ago, Outerdog said:

You are not living like animals by not cruising for a year. Ease up on the drama.

"living like animals"   No drama there.

If you are afraid do not cruise. Let everyone else live like human beings.

 I would not cruise with the restrictions people are describing. If you are elderly and in poor health or are afraid you probably should not cruise but that should be a personal decision. Those under 60 are less likely to die than from the seasonal flu. The deaths from Covid are next to nothing compared to March and April. Cases(positive tests) are not important except for reaching herd immunity. Cases do not equal deaths. In fact, just look at New Zealand that was foolishly hoping to eliminate the virus. Is New Zeland never going to allow people in or out of their country again? It can't be done.  Flu vaccines are available yet, just in the US, millions contact the flu every year and tens of thousands die every year from the flu and not just those who did not get the vaccine. Really nothing needs to change  except for the world wide mass hysteria.

I agree with Kristi, just move the stuff. I usually get out early so you can tell easily which ones are hoggers. If they ever come back and ask, which has never happened to me, just tell them "there was nothing on my chair when I got here."

Last two Carnival cruises our room was too warm. At night it cooled off enough to be bearable. I had maintenance check and they said the AC was working fine. In both cases the wall thermostat setting had no effect on the room temp.

If you want to just block noise and not listen to music then ear plugs are the way to go. They are inexpensive and if inserted correctly can block a lot of the ambient noise.

I did not enjoy the steakhouse on the Magic last February. The steak was tough even though ordered medium rare, maybe I picked the wrong cut. The cheesecake was worse, light and airy and not much flavor. I am not from NY but is wasn't cheesecake by my definition.

I will be the first to disagree about men not wearing speedos. I think a man should wear what is comfortable. I don't like swimming in a pair of what are now essentially long pants. This attitude about men wearing speedos changed sometime in the seventies here is the US. Woman show there "junk" all the time and it is acceptable. Lets be fair.