HavenHater55

8 hours ago, Newleno said:

Maybe New Zealand is not a major airline transportation hub and the virus was not already seeded in their country to the extent of the USA.

Cool now do South Korea. 

13 minutes ago, SeaShark said:

 

Sorry, but the post I was addressing didn't mention what was practical, the argument was solely based on the logic of "whats the harm". And nowhere in your reply did you do anything but skirt that very issue.

 

Why do you feel that the WHO guidance is outdated? It is the current guidance they are putting out there right now...today. And I wasn't using them to support my point, I'm using theirs to address the point of the person I was responding to.

 

Based on your morality comment, then perhaps you should just advocate that everyone wear that full biohazard suit and stay locked in their homes forever...thats the most humanity you could have.

 

Now I'm going to go unroll my eyes.

Someone who compares wearing a mask to a biohazard suit in the current COVID-19 context isn't worth taking seriously or engaging with further. 

20 minutes ago, CruzRamirez said:

Not just a British thing. Americans also do not like to be told what to do.

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/packed-in-shoulder-to-shoulder-hugging-in-spokane-is-america-too-rebellious-to-beat-the-coronavirus/

Yeah, and look at how the virus worked in in good ole' USA versus countries with mature, responsible populations that actually care about their fellow citizens like South Korea and New Zealand. 

2 hours ago, SeaShark said:

 

 

Well, if that is your logic, then why not just have everybody wear a full biohazard suit all day every day? What is the harm when you could protentionally protect others, right?

 

Proactive is not always a good thing when it comes to medicine. Should I take medications for illnesses that I don;t have...just to be proactive and get ahead of it?

 

Latest WHO guideance for masks:

          If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19.

 

So if I'm healthy, and I'm not taking care of a COVID-19 patient, I need not wear a mask. Notice that the WHO mentions nothing about "whats the harm".

Because wearing a biohazard suit isn't practical. Wearing a mask, which takes almost no effort, is. 

Wearing a mask significantly reduces the risk that an asymptomatic carrier transits the virus to someone else. Refusing to wear a mask is simply saying "I don't care if my actions hurt other people." If someone truly thinks that, they are a terrible person. 

"So if I'm healthy" - that's the whole point. You can FEEL perfectly healthy, no symptoms whatsoever, and still be highly contagious to the people around you. 

Also that WHO mask guidance is outdated. Try something current, after far more research and an increased scientific understanding. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html

Ironically, most of the same "people" (and I use that term lightly) who refuse to wear a mask believe the conspiracy theory that the WHO is some kind of evil fraudulent organization, yet here you are trotting them out to support your point. 

If the basic morality of that isn't enough to make you wear a mask, then I truly pity your lack of humanity. 

18 hours ago, hamrag said:

 

Which cruiselines, and what ships specifically....and the source of these reports?

He's a troubled man. Leave him in peace and hope he gets the help he needs. 

28 minutes ago, fstuff1 said:

 

sigh.. there goes my annual 21day b2b cruise from ny to quebec in Sept.

this year would have been the 3rd year in a row.

I'd planned on doing that this year, too. I did Boston>Quebec>Boston last year and it was the best cruise I ever took. 

39 minutes ago, Aldeya said:

Well, for all of you who trust and follow recommendations of the World Health Organization.... On March 9 WHO announced the following:

"If you do not have any respiratory symptoms, such as fever, cough, or runny nose, you do not need to wear a medical mask. When used alone, masks can give you a false feeling of protection and can even be a source of infection when not used correctly."

 

Watch a video DIRECTLY from the source...

 

 

Yes, the point was that was March. It's almost June. That's 3 months - a LIFETIME when it comes to scientific research.

I just don't understand the people that say "Because scientists weren't 100% right about every single thing they said in the process of learning about a new virus that was entirely unknown to the scientific community before a few months ago - they must not know what they're talking about." 

4 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

what about this cruiseline , or is that going to be omitted as well?  

 

https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/bahamas-paradise-plans-to-become-first-cruise-line-to-resume-service

 

these are older ships purchased from the big 3. So we shouldnt hear  "its not a real cruiseship"

You will be wrong about this like you've been wrong about *every* *single* *prediction* you've made to date 

How anyone can read stories like this and think cruising is starting up in ANY capacity before MAYBE Spring 2021 (and no Seaman I don't care about some ferry or river cruise or whatever) is beyond me. 

1 minute ago, drvmywifecrzy said:

 

I know cause my wife says I know it all

Great. So now do you get how wearing a mask substantially reduces the risk of you transmitting COVID-19 (unknowingly) to other people?

On 5/29/2020 at 12:11 AM, HaveWeMetYet said:

Mask = Teddy Bears for Adults as far as Covid 19 goes if you listen to science.

This is actual science. Listen to it. Wear a mask. 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2764955

On 5/29/2020 at 5:03 AM, drvmywifecrzy said:

If I am not infected, how is a mask stopping me from spreading a disease I don't have

Do you know what "asymptomatic" means? If you don't I'm not going to attack you for it, it takes courage and integrity to admit you don't know something, ask, and then go to bed smarter. 

The fact you can spread COVID-19 while showing NO symptoms (no fever, no cough, not even a sniffle) is the MOST dangerous thing about this new virus. It's VERY different from influenza, where you can usually be safe with the "if you feel sick stay home" approach. Same goes for norovirus. 

On 5/29/2020 at 11:54 AM, HavenHater55 said:

Of course NCL is going to keep selling Canada cruises for September on their website for the next month. 

They're still selling them right now. I invite you, NCL Cheerleaders, to please justify why those sailings weren't taken down last night.

1 hour ago, richstowe said:

Politics as usual. Trudeau correctly figures there are more votes with the haters then cruise lovers.

Or maybe he just doesn't to expose Canadians to a massive public health risk? And yes, doing things to keep voters alive is usually good politics. 

Of course NCL is going to keep selling Canada cruises for September on their website for the next month. 

https://www.porthole.com/canada-bans-cruise-ships-until-october-31/?fbclid=IwAR01FDzO_Fk1MJYWCl2REo2o0pQo_6PIep3uCsYolMsYXVDQjqSW795IcYc

I knew this was coming, but I was still holding out some kind of naive hope that maybe I'd get to take a Canadian cruise in late September or early October. 

This is so depressing. Necessary and prudent, but depressing. 

15 minutes ago, FLAHAM said:

Amen.  In addition, I would like the buffet to be open.  

No self service in the buffet is the one COVID-19 change I'd actually hope would be permanent. 

I'll cruise again when there are no masks required on the ship, social distancing measures are no longer required, there are no widespread outbreaks happening anywhere in the United States, and there is no reasonable likelihood of being quarantined on the ship in the event of an outbreak. 

So a year from now, at best. 

1 hour ago, drvmywifecrzy said:

My august cruise is still a go

 

So were June and July cruises until just a few weeks prior. You aren't going on that cruise. 

3 minutes ago, UDKO said:

Can you explain what you mean by the water comment?  Am I missing something, Hater55?

 

 

During normal times some version of that question is usually posted about 10x/day on these boards. 

17 hours ago, Outerdog said:

I feel that we're coming out the other side of this Covid thing now that the NCL board has a smoking thread going...!

 

I won't feel like we're back to normal until people are asking if you can bring water on the ship

August cruise isn't happening. I know, it sucks. I should be on a cruise right now and it kills me.

Even if by some miracle there are cruises in August, the "new normal" on board (masks, social distancing, etc) will be too depressing. You'll always have the memories of past cruises in your heart, like the memories of a loved one. 

17 hours ago, boatseller said:

Sorry, but best I can tell is you're just typing whatever number you happen to remember without checking if it's updated, changed or obsolete.

 

The situation on the Diamond Princess is not relevant other then maybe as an example of what not to do: https://www.businessinsider.com/quarantine-may-have-helped-spread-cruise-ship-coronavirus-experts-say-2020-2?op=1

The 100k number isn't in dispute. Even the president mentioned it today, and if anything he's argued the number of deaths is being overc-ounted (it's not - it's being drastically undercounted)