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On 3/6/2022 at 9:30 PM, gbenjo said:
Two ports ( Melb/ Syd) …….I think there may be another little town up north that may have a cruise terminal capable of handling a ship or two. We , who live in Oz know about it. 🤔
Well done! Are they open?
No?
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Could we have a location update? Might be interesting to know if there is any stirring...
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On 3/2/2022 at 12:53 AM, Chiliburn said:
Dan Tehran just said at a Adelaide press conference that cruise ships will be back this month.
To think we have people like that controlling the country.
Pretty sure Tehan said that at a News International press conference about six months ago. I think it is reported on the Cruise Passenger website.
War with Russia, ScoMo hasn't said much. Libs are doing everything to stop any bad press before the election, including resuming cruises. It sucks.
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Debate me:
there will be no cruise ships in NZ if Aus don’t agree a cruise restart date.
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19 hours ago, MicCanberra said:
Some of these jokers will announce anything knowing that it won't happen but will make people feel good for a while
How dare you. I vote for politicians because I want them to have their fifth house on the Gold Coast. -
1 minute ago, Aus Traveller said:
We are one month short of two years since borders were closed - not three years.
My bad, it certainly feels like three! Is it Aus or NZ who have had the longest lockdown? I forget. -
29 minutes ago, NSWP said:
The federal and state governments are paranoid about another Ruby Princess situation, i.e. a ship returning with a couple of hundred positive cases and a dozen bodies in the ship's meat fridge. I fear no one in authority wants to sign off on cruise ship admittance.
Source?I haven’t read that anywhere. Several sites report that cruiselines, tourism bodies and senior officials in the industry are unable to get meetings with Government at all. They raise the issue of a central guarantee for all tourism: that your Government won’t lock down again.
Alan Joyce has been particularly outspoken about the Governments approach to tourism which has been destructive for nearly 3 years now. He did so 2 days ago.
As present the government seem determined to be the schoolyard bully whilst pretending to act in the good name of all Australians, I don’t think cruising will return unless they guarantee that they’ll stay out of Australians affairs if another scamdemic appears
Cheers
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State Premiers have their elections when exactly? I’m fairly sure that Queensland, NSW and SA are open to cruising
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Oi oi, Scotty has such low polling he’s decided to open up Aus!
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11 hours ago, By The Bay said:
The CDC has temporarily extended the Framework for Conditional Sailing Order (CSO) until January 15, 2022. We shall wait and see if it is extended, again. They have also advised the following:
"People should avoid traveling on cruise ships, including river cruises, worldwide, regardless of vaccination status."
An advisory which will be lifted on the 15th.
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Frank Del Rio today to Cruise Critic:
"COVID-19 On Cruise Ships Has Been Sensationalized for "A Cheap Headline"
During an hour-long call, Dr. Gottlieb spoke about COVID-19 and the spread of the omicron variant, giving reason people should be optimistic about the year ahead. He also spoke honestly about cruise, and the perception the industry faces even as it continues to be among the only travel-related industry to report COVID-19 infections onboard.
"Let's face it - at the outset of this entire ordeal, it was one or two cruise ships that personified the spread of this virus," said Gottlieb. "And I don’t' think that's an easy thing to shake. It is a congregate setting where the risk is always going to be apparent, and that's why we've taken the measures we've taken."
Gottlieb stated, however, that any form of travel carries the risk of COVID-19 infection, as do many non-travel-related activities.
"The reality is if you're going on vacation, no matter what you're doing, you're going to be put in congregate settings," said Gottlieb, mentioning airports, restaurants, and airplanes as examples. "You're going to be around people. I don't think the cruise environment is much different than that -- the only difference is we're taking measures to provide assurances people are vaccinated, we're testing, we're masking."
Del Rio spoke bitterly about the fact the data the industry reports to the CDC -- as defined by the agency's Conditional Sail Order -- is used against the industry that is abiding by it.
"The media, and even some politicians, turned to this hard data that we provide," said Del Rio. "And they take this news, and they sensationalize it for a cheap headline.
"We're the only industry they can pick on because we report cases. So, it's something we have to live with, but not something we like."
"Pandemics don't last forever," said Gottlieb.
"If you look historically at past pandemics, they last two to five years. We're now three years into this. Given the fact this has spread more quickly around the world, given the fact we've been able to hasten the immunity in the population through vaccinations, you would expect this to be the final year of the pandemic.
"I think this is going to be the year we start to transition out of the pandemic phase and into more of an endemic phase."
Dr. Gottlieb pointed to declining case numbers on the U.S. East Coast, in the UK, and in South Africa, where the omicron variant was first identified and reported in late November 2021.
"It's peaking right now," said Dr. Gottlieb of omicron's spread. "If you look at the epidemiology on the East Coast, certainly -- Florida, New York, and the Tri-state region, New England, Boston and Rhode Island -- you're seeing cases come down week over week. And that's now visible. It has peaked and it's coming down, and that trend is going to continue."
Asked to look into his crystal ball to see how the pandemic ends, Dr. Gottlieb presented a more realistic vision of how COVID-19 could cease to be a daily disruptor in people's lives.
"I've said before I think the pandemic's not going to end with a bang but with a whimper," Gottlieb said. "It's going to end when the prevalence declines, when the individual impact of infection is substantially reduced, when consumer confidence is regained.
"When will that point in time arrive? I think you're already seeing that transition. When we get past this wave of infection, I think we're going to see people want it to change. We're seeing people feel more secure -- many are vaccinated, some have already been infected -- but we want it to change. We want to get back to our normal lives."
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The CDC has lifted its orders and ships are sailing around the pacific. Many are now sailing to Hawaii, with the Oceania Insignia heading onwards from Hawaii on its round the world sailing to New Caledonia (a 2 hour flight from Brisbane International) and then onto Bali (a 2 hour flight from Darwin). It will arrive at these ports early Feb.
How has it gotten like this? Scotty is detached from reality. We can sit and see the cruise ship off our coastline.
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1 hour ago, onlyslightlymad said:
I am now feeling much less confident about our December cruise. With the surge in Covid cases in Australia I can't see our govt letting cruise ships in at the moment. I am not trying to be a smug Kiwi, I know that we too will likely have an Omicron outbreak in the very near future. It is the opposite of being smug - our health system has been so underfunded for the last thirty years that we will struggle to cope and I think ongoing border controls will be part of trying to control numbers. I estimate the probability of our Dec Aus-NZ cruise at 30% at present. Bother.
December 2022? If Australia resumes domestic cruises this year there is a high likelyhood.
I'm fairly sure the U.S. is putting up the CPI in the next few days and the Fed have accepted inflation has arrived, which will signal the drastic requirement for each country to get back on with generating income rather than endlessly telling its citizens not to do things.
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9 hours ago, NSWP said:
Spot on Mic, now we are in the same boat as USA and UK, in deep trouble.
Those economies are circulating and trading. Australia is isolating.
Who's in more trouble?
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Has Omicron delayed the restart of cruise?
I heard something very interesting on our last cruise from an industry speaker who knows cruise companies are placing a growing emphasis on in-flight transmission this year and are funding flight transmission studies.
Their comment was risk mitigation happens in all forms of travel and cruise shouldn't be singled out.
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On 12/26/2021 at 11:20 PM, lissie said:
Our borders have been closed since March 20020. As it was announced a few weeks ago that we would reopen to foreigners (albeit with a possible at home quarantine) end of April. At this stage Omicron has affected the opening to Australia mid Jan (NSW being Omicron grounds central now) - but I it hasn't changed the dates for NZers returning (end of Feb) or the general end of April date.
As a Kiwi I can't really leave without the borders being open to get a decent flight / any flight and to get travel insurance. I'm confident that my trip to US/Europe mid July will actually happen. If you place for next summmer ie Oct/Nov 22 or later you'll be fine. With the caveat you'll need to be fully vaccinated - however that is defined at the time
Lizzie,
Is the re-opening to 'all foreigners' looking likely?
Why would US / Europe allow travel from Australians / NZ citizens if they weren't open to reciprocal travel? My understanding is US / parts of Europe are still on a 'go away' list.
Cheers
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On 12/15/2021 at 3:08 AM, NSWP said:
Plenty of planes in the air.
Flying petri-dishes?
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/coronavirus-airplane-spread-study-scn/index.html
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12 hours ago, NSWP said:
Surely the ship should be recalled to home port, she might end up like ye olde Mary Celeste, cruise to nowhere.
Today, on the O website, all January/February 2022 cruises on Insignia, Riviera and Marina have been waitlisted. Hawaii have advised port clearance but may require booster for passengers who debark. Must have had the booster 14 days before debarking, so are Oceania arranging boosters for non-boosted crew and passengers.
Deaths are falling in the UK despite a high infection rate as Omicron is less severe. I've seen a strong request worldwide for deaths to be reported rather than infections which would help with mass hysteria hyper sensitivity.
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I know of three cases in friends and family suffering with Omicron at the moment - one person is totally unvaccinated with mild symptoms (don't ask) and another two are fully boosted and in their mid 50s. The 50s couple have no symptoms at all but test every few days. I don't want to say it but Scotty is right when he says that Omicron is proving to be less severe, echoing what Prof Fauci and Prof Whitty have said.
I'm rooting for the Star. I hope they can manage cases and successfully cruise around the world and demonstrate that risks of all sorts can be managed.
As an aside ....
Is anyone else noticing the term 'petri-dish' is being thrown around by media types again? I've written to several reporters who shunt that term around and asked them to explain why they won't report on the numbers of COVID contracted onboard flights by comparison. Plenty of studies exist on this suggesting the numbers are astronomically high. It's very sad the zeitgeist of our age seems to be that it's dangerous to cruise but contracting covid onboard a flight is perfectly fine and the media whitewash and support this assertion.
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It's going to be very interesting if the Star actually debarks in Bali, considering Aussies aren't allowed to fly or holiday there at present. I think that will upset a lot of the voting generation as it looks like money buys you access to a much loved place.
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I’d like to invite you to post here if you’ve taken a cruise overseas and haven’t died immediately on a ‘bacteria time bomb / death trap / floating petri-dish’ despite what the AHPPC and Greg Hunt say.
I’ll go first:
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I have decided enough is enough.
I am on a cruise in the UK and Europe and they are safe as houses.
I’ve made a few videos, have spoken to a few journalists and now I’m sending this to newspapers for print. Feel free to do so yourself, this is free to use, rights free, unlimited distribution. Send it as far and wide as you like.
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14 minutes ago, possum52 said:
According to the ABC there are many more confirmed cases than 89. Omicron Cases in South Africa and the Guardian says ''The number of confirmed Omicron Covid cases in South Africa is still relatively low, with 2,828 new confirmed cases recorded on Friday, but its speed in infecting young people in the country has alarmed health professionals, the Associated Press reports.''
Another example of garbage reporting.
From the first source:
"This is not yet clearcut but the emerging picture is worrying. There has been a surge of cases in South Africa from 273 cases on 16 November to more than 1,200 by the start of this week. More than 80% of these were from Gauteng province and preliminary analysis suggests the variant has rapidly become the dominant strain. The R value, which indicates how fast an epidemic is growing, is estimated to be 1.47 for South Africa as a whole, but 1.93 in Gauteng. There is a chance this is a statistical blip linked to a super-spreader event but the data has triggered enough concern for precautionary measures."
Preliminary analysis is not lab confirmed cases, nor is it clear who has undertaken the analysis, per my original post. I am certain there will be further lab confirmed cases soon but people should practice due diligence before 'accepting' information. The second source states there were 22 lab identified cases recorded on Thursday (2 days ago) in South Africa, which has since risen to 87 from available information with a further 2 confirmed cases in Europe and Hong Kong, for a total of 89.
Confirming the exact transmissibility and 'R' value should take 2-3 weeks. This researcher has apologised for his comments which were taken out of context "Horrific Spike Profile" and has confirmed SA did a fantastic job sharing their data with research teams, so its rather unfortunate some comments have been taken out of context and blown up by world media to sell newspapers.
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13 hours ago, Porky55 said:
But you aren’t currently living in Australia are you? Aren’t you an ex pat Aussie living in UK?
I'm a European.
This Omicron hype reminds me of why I enjoy living outside Aus for the moment. I sincerely mean this with no disrespect but the attitude here when Hunt was last again to close the borders to SA is outstanding.
By contrast the European government approach is to calmly advise its media to say 'there is a new variant of concern, as a precaution, we are preventing flights from these countries from entering' which is sensible.
I'll just carry on as normal.
This is the best news!!
in Australia & New Zealand Cruisers
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Like I’ve said previously and as others have noted (including Karen Andrews), if it’s a no to international arrivals via cruise, there will be no domestic cruises in your market.
If the Morrison cabal decide to cancel international arrivals (again) between now and the Wave season, you can write off another season in October, as no ships will arrive. It isn’t profitable for the lines to relocate.
I am expecting NZ to announce international visitors via cruise are welcome October 2022, meaning a resumption for that domestic market too.
Good news all around. In the meantime, pray that NT, WA and SA get their act together and allow cruises to resume from their ports. It’s been far too long.