Odoyal Rulez

I got it. Dr gave me medicine to help but I dont take it. Just try to avoid milk,lettuce, and greasy food which are the ones that kill me most.

Also good job on the weightloss...hope you keep it off.

As far as injections go, if you backload an insulin needle with the hcg and shoot it subcutaneously you wont even feel it. Always better to do more injections to stabalize blood levels.

I have a question for you' date=' since I respect your opinion and I think your posts are very interesting and informative! Have you ever heard of the rotation diet, where you eat normally one day and greatly reduced calories on alternate days? The theory is that you trick your metabolism by following calorie-deprivation with calorie-normal.

 

For me, I'd rather not count calories but I have a general sense of what's high and low. I'm now 120 pounds and goal is 115, I eat a lot of raw veggies and fruits on the low-cal days, and on the alternate days I eat complex carbs, protein, low-low carb, fruits and veggies. Another rule is ZERO sugar, no pasta, no white flour. Typical 2 days:

BIG DAY

Meal 1 - steel cut oats, 1 banana; OR 2 eggs scrambled, with a little cheese and a thin slice of whole grain black bread

snack - seasonal fresh fruit (melon, peach, cherries...)

Meal 2 - black bread with hummus or goat cheese OR a salad OR sushi and rice

Meal 3 - stir-fry shrimp, stir-fry veggies, OR an omelette, always with a big, raw salad.

snack - fruit

 

LIGHT DAY

Meal 1 - banana

snack - melon

Meal 2 - 1 or 2 bananas

Meal 3 - more fruit OR raw veggies (typically either carrots, tomato salad with basil and garlic, peppers, or corn, which is great raw if it's very fresh)

 

For exercise, I try to do full-body heavy weight training 2x/week, situps and a few arm reps with small free weights each day, and I walk whenever I can for cardio.

 

Your opinion? I've lost 4 lb so far in 3 weeks.[/quote']

 

 

Yeah Ive have read and used the calorie cycling diet. It works real well, it just got too time consuming for me. I had to plan ahead a week in advance my calorie intake, then plan what food fit into that spectrum, and had to manage my macro nutrients so that my protein ratio was high enough for my needs.

Also on the site that you posted...right in the disclaimer...this is the middle of the page:

"hCG has not been demonstrated to be effective adjunctive therapy in the treatment of obesity. There is no substantial evidence that it increases weight loss beyond that resulting from caloric restriction, that it causes a more attractive or 'normal' distribution of fat, or that it decreases the hunger and discomfort associated with calorie-restricted diets"

Open your eyes please.

Did you happen to notice that the study was performed by the physicians that are pushing that diet plan?

Did you happen to notice that they used a random selection from a pool of only 83 volunteers?

Did you happen to notice that the references they cite are mainly form the 60's, 70's and 80's?

I am glad you are losing weight. I am glad this is working for you. However, its a placebo, realize this. I took the time to read through the source you cited, take the time to read through the ones I posted. Mine are from government backed research facilities and posted to nationally accredited websites.

I can tell we are at an impasse, you can believe whatever it is that makes this work for you..but anyone else that stumbles across this thread, I highly urge you to research this very carefully before trying it.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/93/9/3305

Shows how HCG produces a negative feedback loop in the thyroid when HCG levels are high in pregnant women.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8527285?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

We conclude that there is no scientific evidence that HCG is effective in the treatment of obesity; it does not bring about weight-loss of fat-redistribution, nor does it reduce hunger or induce a feeling of well-being.

Im sorry if I come across as caustic or aggressive, that is not my intention. It's just the info you are posting is absolutely the opposite of the way the drug works, and I dont want anyone reading this thread later on to take that info to heart.

I strongly urge you to read non-biased research on HCG, not everything posted on the HCG diet boards, it will open your eyes.

Yes, I agree that it's the low calorie diet that causes the weight loss. The HCG releases fat from the body stores but if you eat too much, it just goes back. Again, I'm doing a version with 800-875 calories, so it's not quite so extreme. The HCG also helps with mood and promotes loss from storage areas (abs and thighs) instead of structural fat.

 

By the way, I was horribly nauseous during both of my pregnancies, but not at all on the HCG. It has now been 8 days and I'm down by 9 pounds, my energy is great and I'm able to work out and lift weights with even more strength than usual.

 

I'm glad to hear your opinion and I know many people share it, I'm just sharing my experience since this diet works for me and my friends like no other has before.

Please for my own research, post one scientific study showing HCG promotes site fat loss. Anything at all, other than a Dr that currently promotes this diet. I happen to know there are no drugs that promote site fat loss, trust me if a drug did it would be very popular.

I've used HCG, I personally know at least 20 other people that have used HCG, and none of them have had fat loss from thighs and abs. Fat loss is fat loss, you cannot pick and choose where it comes from.

If its falling off your thighs and abs its not because of HCG.

as an afterthought, the HCG slowing the thyroid makes perfect sense because you can starve yourself..but your body doesnt think its starving because it already slowed its metabolism down...this diet is freaking diabolical...

The more I read about it, the more this particular diet bugs me. I went through several scientific studies, including FDA reports.

The FDA has not approved this for weight loss because no scientific evidence proves it works for weightloss. Which pretty much confirmed my suspicions because HCG is a hormone secreted during pregnancy in women and it slows your thyroid, to help your body feed the baby. High levels also induce vomiting, aka morning sickness in pregnant women.

So im sitting here wondering why a woman would want to lessen her metabolism and be nauseas and how that would effect weight loss.

So i studied a little more and found on every single HCG diet forum the maker states it results in rapid weightloss when couple with a VLCD...or a Very Low Calorie Diet.

THERE LIES THE ANSWER. The hcg is very expensive to obtain legally with a prescription. So these guys are selling people an expensive drug that actually has no effect on your appetite or weight loss and telling you it really works if you eat 500 calories a day. WELL DUH! I could eat 500 calories a day and exercise and lose the same amount of weight.

All that weight that is lost is mucle mass and water, until eventually it begins to eat away at fat stores too, but not before the water and muscle is gone, that is scientific fact and will be happy to post any number of links to those studies if requested.

I am actually outraged these clinics get away with this, its frustrating because it does work...but its not the HCG its the near starvation diet.

Do yourself a favor and save a few bucks..if you have to stick to that diet to lose weight go for it, but dont waste the money on the HCG, your body does not need it.

As previously stated, Thermos are chemicals that speed up your metabolism. Most of the over the counter stuff is pretty much crap now that the good thermos have been banned.

I live and swear by ephedra and caffeine. If you can handle the jitters the stuff really helps melt body fat if you are eating right and exercising.

Also to clarify, I have always stressed in past posts that everyones body is different. I was asked for my advice and my words stated ""Id rather eat more and work out a little harder. " I try not to use words like everyone, or everybody, or nobody.

Im sorry to hear that as active as you are that you still gain fat eating over 1200 calories. Your metabolism must be abysmally slow and you might want to ask your dr to test your thyroid. That would drive me crazy if I were in your shoes.

On the other end of the spectrum I know guys busting their cans in the gym and eating 4000-5000 calories a day and cant grow at all. I feel even worse for them..because its a lot easier to eat less, then to try to get down 4-6k calories of clean food a day. Think about it 4000 calories is 30 cups of rice and a pound of chicken...id be sick trying to eat that much all day long heh.

Ive always went on the 10 x your body weight rule. Im baffled why people want to eat less. Id rather eat more and work out a little harder.

The less you eat, the less your metabolism works. Eat more = higher metabolism, cardio more = higher metabolism..put them together with maybe a thermo thrown in and your a fat burning machine.

Not yet..I should though. It all i ever do is work out, and read about nutrition and exercise.

Any men considering this may want to think twice. HCG will shut down your natural testosterone production. HCG is beneficial at the end of long steroid cycles because it helps produce leydig cells and will reverse testicle atrophy, but if you aren't on a cycle, this drug is pretty pointless for you to use.

And while there is some truth to using your own internal fat stores to feed yourself while on low calorie diets....500 calories is way too low and I would not advise doing this. Is the rapid weightloss really worth the health risks involved, and believe it or not there are health risks from malnutrition and low vitamin levels.

white castle always cleans me out =)