Max2003

I wonder when the last time a thread (s) went over 100 pages.   This one is going to make it.

Live on Fox right now.

Zaandam bearing 220 and 8NM out,  She will still take a half hour to get to the pilot.  So close!!

Just now, rugerdog said:

 

360?

I am sure she meant 180!

DeSantis on Cavuto sounds like he has modified his tough stance.  Says he just realized there are 50 Floridians on board and 300 Americans.    Sounds like it will be FLL.

1 minute ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

I think they just want to be there ASAP to be in place, and await a decision as to their fate. Remember also that they do have folks onboard who are on ventilators. The report yesterday stated that they attempted to medically disembark a patient off San Andres Island, Colombia however the Colombians wound up prohibiting that operation, so they - the two ships - continued on their way

We saw the sail by at St Andres yesterday.  I thought it was strange at the time.  I assume it would be dicey transferring from one ventilator to another, unless they were going to leave the HAL ventilator.  This will be an incredible story of effort when it is all told!

33 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

Zaandam and Rotterdam, in the Florida Straits, passing Havana, Cuba to the south

 

https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9156527

Zaandam showing 20.4 Kts.    That is pushing warp speed for her. Although she has the current with her.  Looks like about 200NM left to FLL.  They should be there a little after midnight.   That is a lot of extra fuel if they can't dock til Friday??  Or do they know something??  

6 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

Remember now, this has to be approved by the Broward County Commission and the Broward County Unified Command and, I would imagine, signed off by Gov DeSantis also

Copper 

Isn't it scheduled for the Commission and Unified Command to meet tomorrow morning to accept or reject whatever plan is put forth??   That would put off debarkation at pier 2 &4 until Friday at the earliest??  

Interesting stop.  They are about 100NM from Havana.   We will know if there might be something happening there in about 6 hours.   They seem to be definitely committing to Florida.  

21 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

They will continue on their way to FLL via the Florida Straits with an expected ETA of Thu, 02 Apr 20. Sounds like they will have to wait outside U.S. territorial waters, so twelve miles off-shore, until the Broward County Commision, as well as the Broward County Unified Command, will vote on a plan of action involving the ships and their pax/crew. That plan is currently being worked on by the County Attorney staff who stated he "will need at least one full day" to get it done. It sounded promising with the possible exception of County Commissioners Bogen who appeared to be overthinking the entire issue - just my opinion on the last; give me two minutes to put my kevlar on 🙃

 Sounds like trying to draw an inside straight.  Isn't it still a unanimous decision??   Two different entities (and votes) by Commission and Unified Command (aka - Joint powers Authority). 

There Thursday, but 12 miles offshore hoping for a group of self preservation politicians to decide if the plan is perfect.  I would hope we can get better odds.  If it falls thru, then where, Port Canaveral, Jacksonville or ?  They are then committed to east coast of Florida and north.  

On 3/30/2020 at 9:19 AM, Max2003 said:

On the west side of Cuba, in about 40 hours they will still have options. If things don't work out, I would look seriously at Galveston (already familiar with cruise ship ops).  Not far from Lackland (used before) and Fort Hood.  

They expect that these ships will keep coming toward Florida without a port that has given permission to dock while they ruminate??  Insane!!  The time to make a decision is dwindling to about 15 hours .  They are basically delaying until Thursday to make a decision.  Galveston is looking better all the time if they can get approval. My guess is that HAL already knows if that is feasible.   It might mean a little more time at sea but a port that might welcome them.  The culture in Texas is in their favor.

30 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

 

I don't think they've made a decision as of yet. The Broward County Sheriff is referring to it in his comments. Btw, he's is running out of collar space for his rank insignia/amount of stars

I get the impression that they expect a salute.  Fortunately, I am always uncovered and can't.  When they get to 6 stars the military will have to up their game.

15 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

Are we done with Carnival Corp/HAL/Zaandam/Rotterdam?

Copper 

This somehow sounds ominous.  Are you reading the tea leaves?

17 minutes ago, geneandmary said:

The ship behind them is the Insignia.

 

https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9156527

Thanks!  That is a better site than the one I have been using!  

The Insignia is one of the R class now Oceana.  I wonder where she has been.

It seems that they are making about 17 Knots.  The currents here are with them so it is strange that they aren't faster. 

Can anyone identify the passenger ship behind Z & R on the same course??

Back to heading for west of Cuba passage.  Course about 314 degrees and about 360NM from western tip of Cuba.  Assuming a speed of 20 Kts, you can do the math, we should see them around the corner tomorrow morning.

The Z and R are flying in tight formation 2 NM apart,  However their bearing now seems to indicate that they will pass west of Jamaica and proceed to the opening between Haiti and Cuba.  But, but that puts them passing - wait for it -Guantanamo. Hmm!    

On a more serious note, that might signal resolution of where they will land.  That is them in the lower left off Nicaragua.  They are so close that they appear as one.

1 minute ago, Max2003 said:

 Click here

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-77.1/centery:8.5/zoom:5

 

 

Also you can filter out different classes of ships to make it easier to see what you want.. The passenger ship class is in blue.

14 minutes ago, Tampa Girl said:

 

Max, would you mind posting again the site for this marine service?  Or is it a site that has to be subscribed to.  Thanks.

 Click here

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-77.1/centery:8.5/zoom:5

55 minutes ago, DCCruiser57 said:

The Fort Lauderdale mayor just did an interview on Fox and although I did not catch the entire interview, it sounded like the PEF is not going to allow the Zaandam to dock and disembark guests.

The mayor will finally concede for humanitarian reasons and will be lauded for trying his best to "protect" the citizens of Fort Lauderdale as well.  He has until the Zaandam rounds the corner at Cuba to milk it!  In the meantime he will try and get public opinion to push for more aid from the feds.  Classic!!    Savoir faire!

Well it doesn't look like they are going to stop. 😁  I hope the visual diversion raised the spirits!

What is happening here?  Z to the left and R to the right of San Andres.

Maybe a scenic sail by??

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Ships just passing San Andres Island.  Zaandam just made a sharp right quite close to the island,  They seem to be maintaining about a 6 NM gap.

On the west side of Cuba, in about 40 hours they will still have options. If things don't work out, I would look seriously at Galveston (already familiar with cruise ship ops).  Not far from Lackland (used before) and Fort Hood.  

4 minutes ago, Tampa Girl said:

 

 

I agree, but what makes anyone think that HAL is not doing everything in its power to work with any entity or person that can help?  HAL managed to get the PCA to relent.  And until something concrete is in place, I think HAL is wise not to pass along hopeful info that is subsequently quashed.  I think that we are doing too much Monday-morning quarterbacking, as well as unnecessary speculation since we have no facts.  

Absolutely spot on!!!   I wouldn't give the media anything to ruminate on until I knew it was a done deal.   

This will turn out well!!   Or as well as it can under the circumstances.