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1 hour ago, dockman said:

 

Unless they plan to charter small private planes there is no way that all pax will be flown on charter flights within the USA as there re no doubt multiple cities involved.  Flying commercial is going to happen.  Not sure if/why that would freak anyone out as Florida airports are up and running with people arriving everyday from hot spots like New York.  Of course these people are not getting a fraction of the attention that cruise passengers have gotten even though we frankly have little if any idea how many of them may be infected. 

 

  For example Orlando:

During the first three days following DeSantis’ order — Tuesday to Thursday — 135 flights arrived in Orlando from New York, New Jersey and Connecticut carrying a combined nearly 3,000 passengers 

Which is exactly why the fear of flying commercial right now is overblown. That's an average of 22 passengers on a plane.

1 minute ago, Copper10-8 said:

Commissioner Bogen just doesn't get it - the majority of those ships have been at anchor for some time

I know...they even said those ships were just rotating in and out for provisions. No passengers.

For those wishing to watch live, the Broward County Commissioners meeting where they are supposed to discuss this issue, here is a link:

(meeting started at 10 - topic not yet discussed)

https://www.broward.org/Commission/Meetings/Pages/default.aspx#Viewing Options

Curaçao? I'm geographically challenged, but it looks to be quite close to Aruba. They could save a lot of fuel.

 

 

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Already on the itinerary - that is the "C" of ABC.

I'll play! Cozumel.

You might want to look at a map.

WHAT????? please give details. link

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

Yes, everyone including the news media is speculating and guessing. Key West and the whole state of Florida is barely above sea level.

And you are guessing too....the average elevation of Florida is 100 feet above sea level.

I'm not a germophobe, but whenever I see the buffet serving utensil laying in the food, I always try to take food from the back of the tray. Some buffets have a dish off to the side to place the utensil in - they all should!

Possibly, but you also have 2 other large airports within 30 miles of EWR that do a lot more volume than EWR.

In 2016, EWR had 40 million passengers, LGA had 30 million.

Some people have no clue what they are talking about when they post.

You mean like when you said yesterday that Delta Airlines lost 13 Billion dollars due to a storm?

LOL....we know you can't possibly be serious. :rolleyes:

 

The cost of any hurricane that impacts any Caribbean port could wipe out their revenue for months (obviously Florida ports would be a worse case scenario)...so yes...they do move them primarily for reducing risk and potential lost revenue. It doesn't take more than one major storm to disrupt things - one bad storm in Atlanta last year cost Delta 4 months of revenue...the cruise industry has a similar situation.

Delta Airlines take in $13,213,000,000 in revenue in 4 months....that's 13.2 Billion Dollars! And you think one storm in Atlanta cost them that much money? And you think cruise ships go to Alaska and Europe in the summer to avoid Hurricane Season? And yet you ask me if I am serious? LOL!!!

It's not rocket science to look online and find which ships are deployed to other locations (Europe being the most common). This happens every year...to reduce the number of ships in the Caribbean during hurricane season.

Again, there are less ships in the Caribbean in the summer because they are in Alaska and Europe, where there is higher demand. Cruise lines make their schedules according to where people want to go, not based on a small chance of a hurricane (admittedly that small chance is higher in hurricane season than not...BUT, it is still a SMALL chance!!)

What's much more amazing is how people book a cruise in the middle of hurricane season...and then when one shows up...they're all upset at the airlines and cruise companies.

 

The PASSENGERS took that risk of booking during this highly-risky time period. While some cruises remain...many cruise ships are deployed elsewhere around the world for that same reason. The airlines and cruise companies do their best to adjust to the bad conditions. POOR CHOICES are the fault of the people making the choices.

"Highly-risky time period"? Without having time to do serious research, since Hurricane Ike, probably over 1,000 cruises have been been able to sail into and out of Galveston. And even if I am wrong, and 10 cruises were cancelled, that is still only a 1 in 100 chance of your cruise being cancelled.

The reason ships are deployed elsewhere in the summer is to go to Alaska and Europe - nothing to do with "hurricane season". I put it in quotes, as if a storm can't happen at any other time of year - tell that to the Anthem passengers, Feb, 2016.

I am not making any comment on the cruise lines' responses. But they must be ready 24/7/365 for bad weather, and they know this.

Yes, I have, and 4 airlines isn't a monopoly. But if you want the government to get involved and regulate prices, expect to see things get worse. Prices were far higher (taking inflation into account) before airlines were deregulated. People bitch and moan enough about airlines as it is (seats too cramped, no meals or bag meals, not a big enough baggage allowance, poor service, long wait times on the phone and on and on and on), but if airlines were somehow forced to lower prices you can count on ALL of that getting even worse.

I don’t want the government to regulate prices, just to make sure there is competition. I remember as a kid in the early 70s, flying in planes that were 95% empty, and wondering how that was economically feasible. And I agree with you 100% - people shouldn’t complain about all the extra fees and baggage allowances – just plan ahead. And I also agree with you that prices are generally more affordable than in years past. But on certain routes, when one airline has a “Monopoly” on that route, prices go through the roof. Sorry if my comment was flip, it wasn’t meant to be!

Why should Congress do anything?? It's supply and demand, as it should be.

Have you never heard of a Monopoly? I can fly from NJ to Los Angeles for only slightly more than it is to fly to Pittsburgh, because the LAX flights have much more competition. 85% of the overall US market is governed by four airlines. "Supply and Demand" is meaningless when supply is allowed to be consolidated by more and more Government-approved mergers.

So sorry you had a bad experience on the Amerikanis. I took a 1985 New Years Trip to Nowhere on the Amerikanis and we had a lovely time. Guess the years between were not good for that ship.

One day here on CC I found a bunch of old posts reminiscing about the great times people had on the Amerikanis - so I know I am in the minority!! Glad you enjoyed it!

I don't know. I think it's kind of cool.

 

But then I love looking at aviation history museums and seeing how equipment that changed the world evolved from when the Boeing 314 opened up the globe to when the 707 ushered in the jet age to the Concorde and 747 changing air travel forever.

 

So maybe these things are only interesting to some people, but they can still be interesting.

Please don't misunderstand - I love all types of museums, and learning as much as I can about many different topics. But a youtube video comparing "Oasis vs. Titanic", just seemed silly to me.

A one night cruise to nowhere out of NYC on the SS Amerikanis (Chandris Cruise Lines) in 1991. It was so awful (no need for details), that it took me 20 years to get back on a cruise - 2 week Grand Mediterranean on the Ruby Princess in 2011 for our 25th Anniversary - been hooked ever since!!

The proof for us is where we can fly, often for as little as $500 -$700 USD. Just about anywhere in Europe, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, China, even Australia.

 

Amazing. Could imagine affordable travel like this 20 years ago. This, and the Internet is what has made our world seem much smaller.

Although I enjoy reading about "small world" stories as much as anyone, I like the above post the best. I can fly from NY to Europe for not much more than NY to Columbus OH!! (but that's a different thread - FAA, are you listening?)

But "small world" coincidences are not rare at all. For example, you only need a room of 23 people, to have a 50% chance that two people share the same birthday.

On the Oasis, assuming an average family size of three, there are 2 million "pairs" of families - a guarantee that somebody will know somebody!

Thanks....what about playing single deck vs a 6-8 shoe dealt game?

Now you are getting into material which is better suited for a different forum, I would guess!:D

Short answer, if you can count cards, you can beat the casino in single deck. But casinos are private companies, and if they suspect you are counting cards, they have the right to ban you.

Quick question.....do you think that if you play perfect basic strategy, 2 hands at a time, that your odds of winning improve?

No, your odds are the same regardless of how many hands you play simultaneously.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Blackjack is a game with a pretty much agreed upon "good strategy" and what one person does affects the entire table. If you play "by the book" you keep the odds in the patrons favor (or at least with the highest odds in the casino among table games) but if you play recklessly you skew the odds in the casinos favor. In my opinion this is a fact because it's widely agreed upon that blackjack is a game where one persons actions affect the entire table, but I understand you don't agree.

I'll try a different approach. You know that the dealer acts like a robot, his/her actions are governed by the rules of the game, hit on 16, stand on 17 - that's it. The main house advantage comes from you having to play first. If the dealer goes over, but you went over also - you lose, because you went over first. Whether you go over or not is based on your strategy and random cards - whether the dealer goes over or not is based on the rules of the game, and random cards.

Nothing else matters. Not luck, not your mood, not the tide, not the dealer's personality. . . . and not even the skill level of any other player at the table.

A coin flipped ten times in a row heads, still has a 50/50 chance of being tails on the next flip. And regardless of how poorly someone else at the table plays, your chances are only affected by your skill level, and random cards.

So I'm wrong that someone not playing "by the book" would be better to play with just themselves and the dealer? That's an opinion but if you're saying my opinion is wrong then I understand what you took issue with. I don't agree that opinions can be right or wrong, but I do understand.

I agree, opinions are not facts. But you made the following two statements that are incorrect:

"If someone is playing their "own hand" in a way that's skewing the odds for everyone at the table"

"one person playing recklessly affects everyone."

The only person that can affect the odds of success of your hand is you.

And thank you for keeping our "off on a tangent" discussion civil!!

Okay but I never said that and I don't think that. I said that a person playing recklessly affects everyone, which it does.

 

 

 

Okay....but what did I say that made you chime in that I was wrong. Did I ever say that not accounting for card counting I thought the cards weren't random?

This is what you said that was wrong:

If someone is playing their "own hand" in a way that's skewing the odds for everyone at the table I completely understand getting upset. They should play when no one else is at the table if they want to give the casino better odds because sure it's your money and your hand but one person playing recklessly affects everyone.

I'm glad you jumped in also, what am I wrong about?

Let's assume we are not talking about counting cards here. Each play of a card, whether to a player or a dealer, is random. So there is a 4 out of 13 chance that any card played is a 10. And a one out of 13 chance that it will be an ace, or a five, etc....It is all random, regardless of what any other player does, whether they play correctly, or horribly.

But I will agree, it can be frustrating to be at a table with a player who has no clue!