Is a shirt and tie enough for Formal Night?

[Intrudr]

[quote name='halos'][quote name='zydecocruiser']I do hope you realize the thread has nothing to do with you. But the jean police and the tuxedo police lie in wait hoping for such opportunity.
QUOTE]


[color=darkgreen]The OP asked a question...those who think that 'formal' means wearing a jacket should be able to give their opinions just as you have.

If someone posts a question looking for [u]everyone[/u] who responds to back up [i]their[/i] opinion...what's the point in asking?
If you don't want advice, then don't ask.[/color][/QUOTE]

Funny, after ruminating about this some more I came to the same conclusion as Halos. I think the OP knew what the rules were regarding formal attire, but wanted to know if the rule was really enforced. It's not.

I also hope zydeco is wrong about the demise of formal events - it's an elegant affair that isn't offered in many other places.

[derf5585]

[quote name='Intrudr'][quote name='halos']
I also hope zydeco is wrong about the demise of formal events - it's an elegant affair that isn't offered in many other places.[/QUOTE]

And to increase profits
1. tuxedos
2. pictures
3. flowers
4. dry cleaning

[Intrudr]

[quote name='derf5585'][quote name='Intrudr']

And to increase profits
1. tuxedos
2. pictures
3. flowers
4. dry cleaning[/QUOTE]

spoilsport.

[halos]

[quote name='derf5585'][quote name='Intrudr']

And to increase profits
1. tuxedos
2. pictures
3. flowers
4. dry cleaning[/QUOTE]


People wearing denim don't get pictures taken???? ;)

[Intrudr]

[quote name='halos'][quote name='derf5585']


People wearing denim don't get pictures taken???? ;)[/QUOTE]

or get their jeans neatly pressed? with flowers?

[cruzin2paradise]

[quote name='DolfanNY']I can't believe the big deal some people are making. I am a retired New York City Police Officer who worked 9/11. Not wearing a jacket to dinner is no big deal. It amazes me to read some of the responses to this thread. If you feel comfortable going to formal night naked, more power to you. Life is to short. You are going on vacation. Have a great time! For the people who wouldn't attend formal night without a tuxedo or suit, good for you. If it offends you how others dress, maybe you should try another cruise line that meets your higher standards.[/QUOTE]


I always just "lurk" in these types of threads, but I had to give my applause for this one! My favorite sentence in your post:

[QUOTE]If it offends you how others dress, maybe you should try another cruise line that meets your higher standards.[/QUOTE]

To the OP -- don't sweat it . . . you are being bombarded with opinions. The "dress code" is [I]suggested[/I] not [I]mandatory[/I] -- do what you feel is right and comfortable and smile when you sit down to your dinner!

To everyone else -- these are opinions, opinions are not right or wrong. So maybe if we just state our opinions instead of bullying, these threads wouldn't be so crazy!

Happy Cruzin'!

[derf5585]

[quote name='halos'][quote name='derf5585']


People wearing denim don't get pictures taken???? ;)[/QUOTE]

They "Take" your pictures and make you pay to get them back

[Happy ks]

BobBeaSea, Here, here, I could not have said that better myself. But, it is kind of fun seeing how snippy people can get about a rather mundane subject. That's the beauty of being anonymous, you can say snotty things and no one can do anything to you.

There are no stupid questions and many of us here who have been on numerous cruises and have been participating for years are happy to give advice.

To the OP, yes, you will see men in just dress shirt and ties (plus pants) most will be wearing jackets, but don't go out and break the bank if you don't have one. If you continue to cruise, you might consider investing in a suit, look around when you are onboard, you will see every combination of "formal" that you can imagine. Anyone with any grace will not glare at you in the dining room and you should be welcomed for the nice person that you are, not the clothing on your back.

As much as I enjoy dressing up, that is for myself, I don't expect everyone on a cruise ship to be like me. I love meeting and getting to know new people, regardless of what they are wearing. It is amusing to read about how people are so concerned about the choices of others, do they really make a spectacle of themselves reacting to others clothes?

[halos]

[quote name='cruzin2paradise']

To everyone else -- [COLOR=DarkRed]these are opinions, opinions are not right or wrong[/COLOR]. So maybe if we just state our opinions instead of bullying, these threads wouldn't be so crazy!

Happy Cruzin'![/QUOTE]


I agree these are opinions...I'd like for you to look back and post who does the bullying.
It seems that when someone asks a question about attire...the people who post that to them formal means a jacket, get immediately pounced on as being snobs. Aren't we just people giving our opinion????
Please go through the posts. I'd like to know which you consider bull-ish.

[BF_Philly]

Actually I'm a newbie also who will be taking a Black Sports Coat & wearing a tie. If you look at the link they posted it is pretty vague about the requirements. Reading it carefully , I would interpret a sportshirt with NO tie is appropriate.

So I don't think it was a dumb question at all.

[halos]

I must be missing posts...I don't remember reading where ANYONE thought the question stupid.
It seems to me that if you are referring to Tef's response...I took his remark [U]as NOT being aimed at the OP, [/U] but aimed at what he knew would be forthcoming...a huge debate, which wound up being a correct assumption.
I know tef's reputation preceedes him ;) , but I think some sensitive folk jumped on that without thinking about what he meant by it.

[Intrudr]

[quote name='BF_Philly']Actually I'm a newbie also who will be taking a Black Sports Coat & wearing a tie. If you look at the link they posted it is pretty vague about the requirements. Reading it carefully , I would interpret a sportshirt with NO tie is appropriate.

So I don't think it was a dumb question at all.[/QUOTE]

"Formal Wear: tuxedo (optional); suit and tie; sport coat, tie and slacks"

Me thinks you and I have different reading comprehension styles.

[Girlsnightout]

Umm, the OP did not ask whether he SHOULD wear a jacket, only whether he would be turned away if he did not. It appears that he will be allowed in the main dining room on formal night dressed in just a shirt and tie.....why all the discussion?

The OP is an adult, capable of deciding on his attire, do all of those people telling him to dress formally really believe anyone cares what they think?

Personally speaking, hell would freeze over when I would take fashion advice from strangers on the internet...;)

And Zydeco, I like your style!

[colette5479]

[quote name='hstrybuf']Good one colette! That's the funniest thing I've read all day! :D While I strongly believe in adhering to the dress code, anyone that actually did that would be my entertainment for the night![/QUOTE]


Can you imagine the fights that could break out??? Forget the shows and the casino!!:p

[Intrudr]

[quote name='Girlsnightout']

Personally speaking, hell would freeze over when I would take fashion advice from strangers on the internet...;)

[/QUOTE]


[url="http://www.hosstyle.com/hellfreezes.htm"]http://www.hosstyle.com/hellfreezes.htm[/url]

Can I suggest a muu muu?

[Girlsnightout]

.....doesn't mean I would listen, and besides, a muu-muu would hide some of my best features......:D

[BF_Philly]

[quote name='Intrudr']"Formal Wear: tuxedo (optional); suit and tie; sport coat, tie and slacks"

Me thinks you and I have different reading comprehension styles.[/QUOTE]


Perhaps we do??

Formal wear : Tuxedo (optional) ;=OR suit and tie ;=OR Sport Coat (notice no mention of Tie) ;=OR Tie and Slacks.

Thank god you don't write computer code...

LOL

[oceantravel]

My hubby hates carrying the suit, shoes, slacks, shirts. He just rents his tux on the ship. Works out great.

I have my opinions on what is the more appropriate attire, however, if OP wears shirt and tie, it's not going to offend me.

OP: They will let you in and you won't be the only one without a jacket!

[BF_Philly]

[quote name='BF_Philly']Perhaps we do??

Formal wear : Tuxedo (optional) ;=OR suit and tie ;=OR Sport Coat (notice no mention of Tie) ;=OR Tie and Slacks.

Thank god you don't write computer code...

LOL[/QUOTE]

Max is correct and I am wrong there is a , = AND not a ; = OR Between Sports Coat Tie and Slacks..

Of course that just proves the point .. You have to have good eyes to see the commas and semi colons when they could of used OR & AND in their syntax.

[Intrudr]

[quote name='BF_Philly']Perhaps we do??

Formal wear : Tuxedo (optional) ;=OR suit and tie ;=OR Sport Coat (notice no mention of Tie) ;=OR Tie and Slacks.

Thank god you don't write computer code...

LOL[/QUOTE]

you inserted semi-colons where they previously did not exist. There are semi-colons between the 3 options they offer, tux; suit and tie; or [u]sport coat, tie and slacks[/u]. this last option appears to be an ensemble, not separate pieces. IF so, it implies that all you have to wear is a tie and an appropriately placed fig leaf!

glad we both don't write code.

[Intrudr]

[quote name='Girlsnightout'].....doesn't mean I would listen, and besides, a muu-muu would hide some of my best features......:D[/QUOTE]

true and true, I'm sure!

;-)

[halos]

...is that you do have a choice. No one will send you away from the dining room (unless you have shorts on).
It is your choice to dress appropriately, or not. The rules are not enforced.
You will see many on board who do not dress appropriately, so you won't feel 'alone' by any means. But no matter how many don't follow the guidelines...even if it is more than half the passengers, it doesn't make it appropriate....it is what it is.

[zydecocruiser]

[quote name='MrPeteLI']Social Stratum is alive and well. How you dress according to your hosts request says a lot. Some don't even have to ask.

........

I also wonder how many people offering dress suggestions ever hosted a formal affair/dinner/event.

And to those offering their dress down suggestions, what would you wear on formal night is you were refused entry for your not dressing as requested?[/QUOTE]

As a stockholder and customer, they are hardly my "hosts."

I have hosted and attended actual formal events. Have worn tuxedos and full dress tailcoats. Even own a couple.

If refused, I would try plan B or C. A kilt, or as last resort, a bedsheet.

[hstrybuf]

[quote name='colette5479']Can you imagine the fights that could break out??? Forget the shows and the casino!!:p[/QUOTE]

Yes, it could be verrry interesting! :D I care what DH and I wear and though our tablemates came to dinner in shorts one night, I didn't and would never say a word to anyone who chose not to follow the dress suggestions.

Zydeco, you and I differ in the interpretation of who is our host. Obviously, we will never agree on that. ;)

[TXRoo]

I think is the most sensible post out of the lot.

[quote name='MrPeteLI']Social Stratum is alive and well. How you dress according to your hosts request says a lot. Some don't even have to ask.

To the OP, you asked, and now you have the hosts dress policy for formal nights.

Everything else here are peoples opinions, which could be valid if they were talking about something they were hosting (I'd like to see if they decided to host a formal affair/dinner/event, how they would feel about someone just dissing their black tie or similar request).

I also wonder how many people offering dress suggestions ever hosted a formal affair/dinner/event.

And to those offering their dress down suggestions, what would you wear on formal night is you were refused entry for your not dressing as requested?[/QUOTE]