Original Picasso????

[Grumm]

I meant to ask this earlier, but it slipped my mind. On a recent Legend Med cruise(22nd July to 5th August), my wife attended one of the art auctions. The company running the aution was offering an original Picasso for £30,000. I don't know if it was a drawing, sketch or painting, but I was highly suspicious. Have any of you encountered any more "original" Picassos on an RCI ship?

 

Alan

[HookLine&Sinker]

I can't speak to the specific piece of art work you are refering to but Picasso was very prolific, as was Rembrandt so it's quite possible it was genuine.

 

That said, I would not buy anything of extreme value or importance like expensive artwork or diamonds without going to a reputable dealer whom I could continue to have a dialoge with. Just my opinion.

[Grumm]

I can't speak to the specific piece of art work you are refering to but Picasso was very prolific, as was Rembrandt so it's quite possible it was genuine.

 

That said, I would not buy anything of extreme value or importance like expensive artwork or diamonds without going to a reputable dealer whom I could continue to have a dialoge with. Just my opinion.

 

Yeah. I just thought it was a strange place for a Picasso to turn up. I agree with you about having something like that positively authenticated (not that I could afford to buy it anyway!)

 

Alan

[RevSmith]

very possible.

[john & Gerrie nj]

I Have a nice Bridge in Brooklyb I'd like to sell, it just needs a little paint.

Maybe you could get Bruce to paint it.

 

Now all the people that bought at Park West flame away because I know you all paid way to much- Do you really think if this stuff was a bargin they would rent space on a cruise ship to sell it?

 

The best cruise ever starts in 12 hours.

john

[Grumm]

I Have a nice Bridge in Brooklyb I'd like to sell, it just needs a little paint.

Maybe you could get Bruce to paint it.

 

Now all the people that bought at Park West flame away because I know you all paid way to much- Do you really think if this stuff was a bargin they would rent space on a cruise ship to sell it?

 

The best cruise ever starts in 12 hours.

 

john

 

I think it was a Brian Picasso-Bruce's less talented brother:p

 

Alan

[MGoBlue2]

In addition to being prolific, he made a lot of limited edition prints. Many of these can go for just a few thousand.

[MGoBlue2]

In addition to being prolific, he made a lot of limited edition prints. Many of these, hand signed by Picasso, can go for just a few thousand, sometimes less.

[Grumm]

In addition to being prolific, he made a lot of limited edition prints. Many of these, hand signed by Picasso, can go for just a few thousand, sometimes less.

 

I take your point, but this was definitely being sold as an ORIGINAL Picasso.

 

Alan

[john & Gerrie nj]

They are purveyors of roadside art- about ! step above elvis on velvet from the gas station.

Sure they have an Origional and Sure they are too stupid to auction it

at a real house.

I'd be willing to throw in some Iowa oceanfront property with that bridge.

[Grumm]

They are purveyors of roadside art- about ! step above elvis on velvet from the gas station.

Sure they have an Origional and Sure they are too stupid to auction it

at a real house.

I'd be willing to throw in some Iowa oceanfront property with that bridge.

 

Hey....don't shoot the messenger. I was only bringing it to your attention. I'm as cynical about an original Picasso being sold onboard as you are. I don't feel that Park West should get away with it if it's not what they describe it as.

 

Alan

[AFT_LOVER]

as she bought a GENUINE Picasso for under $500. When I heard the term GENUINE, it means FAKE! She got it home, paid hundreds for a frame for it also which is where the art scammers onboard make their real money. She had posted that she was freaking out when a new gas station with restaurant & store included was giving away FREE artwork with a fill up & there was her Picasso. She did contact her credit card company who charged it back & had the City's art museum look it over then document in writing that it was worth -0-. She scanned & sent to the credit card company who credited her purchase from the reciept she attached.

 

Now she knows the true meaning of geniune, just like woman who paid $100 for a genuine diamond that should go for $5. HSC has plenty of those also. Sorry to say but the art auction & inch of gold scream RIP OFF to me. A jeweler friend saw the stones for sale & laughed at the colored glass.

[Grumm]

Sorry to say but the art auction & inch of gold scream RIP OFF to me. quote]

 

Amen to that, Macop.

 

Alan

 

PS Hope you and your colleagues are coping with your recent tragic loss...best wishes from Scotland.

[john & Gerrie nj]

It's just peolple looking for a steal from crooks always intrigue me.

[Grumm]

It's just peolple looking for a steal from crooks always intrigue me.

 

I know..I know...no offense taken...honest! I agree with you totally. I just can't understand why RCI allow it to go on($$$$$$$$$$$$$$)!

 

Alan

[john & Gerrie nj]

if it wasn't profitable all the cruise lines would stop. So if no one buys this cra'p then they would'nt renew the contract Follow the money.

the best cruise ever starts in 9 hours

[MGoBlue2]

I take your point, but this was definitely being sold as an ORIGINAL Picasso.

 

Alan

A litho made by, and signed by, Picasso can legitimately be called an original Picasso. It's just that quite often there are 200 of them, which brings the price down considerably.

[Grumm]

A litho made by, and signed by, Picasso can legitimately be called an original Picasso. It's just that quite often there are 200 of them, which brings the price down considerably.

 

That's outrageous........especially as they were asking for £30,000. How can these people get away with that?

 

Alan

[dfishner]

I find it strange that all the same orginal artworks show up on all the ships. I think calling it orginal is streching it.

[Grumm]

I find it strange that all the same orginal artworks show up on all the ships. I think calling it orginal is streching it.

 

Too true....hopefully RCI will realise that we're not all gullible enough to fall for the "original" cr*p!

 

Alan

[Treven]

That's outrageous........especially as they were asking for £30,000. How can these people get away with that?

 

Alan

This is like to crude old adage: "why does a dog lick his ba**s?" Becaues he can.

[MGoBlue2]

That's outrageous........especially as they were asking for £30,000. How can these people get away with that?

 

Alan

I'm not saying that's what it was, I'm saying that just because something is an original Picasso doesn't mean it's a high value item. It doesn't mean it isn't either.

 

Also, depending on the piece, how many were made and when, how many are known to still exist, etc. a Picasso litho could retail for upwards of $50,000, maybe more.

[kbt2]

I know everyone has an opinion about "art" and "art auctions on cruises". Many folks buy a nice piece of art to remember maybe that cruise for honeymoon, anniversary, or simply because they saw a piece of art they particular liked and would like to buy.

I know first hand that my in-laws passed by as an auction was taking place and my MIL loved a particular piece she saw and it was a large one, AP signed and said gotta have it, would be great in a particular location in their home. She paid $1500 for it framed. About a year ago she had a high end interior decorator come in to help w/some remodeling and the decorator saw it, was very familiar with and about hit the floor and said I have a client that would pay $8000 for it...yep, $8K. My MIL, chuckled and said as tempting as that could be she loved it when she saw it and now she had been seeing it hanging in the "perfect spot" in her home for a year now she just didn't want to let it go. So....moral of the story....guess some of that art is valuable...just depends on the "eye of the beholder" LOL :)

[phopte]

Why does Park West sell on a ship? Because that's where the people are! Where else can they get literally thousands of people to look at their art every week? People that by their very presence have demonstrated disposable income. I think they are very shrewd and the cruise lines like the extra money from the rent or commissions.

 

I also think that they do indeed offer some very good pieces. A signed Picasso lithograph is an "original" and is a great marketing tool. I have seen some very good pieces of art for sale at very good prices. Yes it is true that the less expensive, high margin items are their bread and butter but having the good pieces brings people in and gives some degree of credibility.

 

Art is about emotion. What some people like, others won't. I have several less expensive pieces that my wife and I love and work perfect in the space where we have them. I have one reasonably expensive piece, at least for me, that I thought about for some time before I decided to purchase and now I'm glad I did. I have another medium priced piece that just reached out to me and grabbed me and I absolutely love it!

 

Some of what people complain about sounds a lot like buyer's remorse. They got caught up in the moment and then aren't happy with what they did. Some people tried to get the deal of a lifetime and hate that they didn't. Some people just liked it and did get lucky. Some people were happy until others criticized what they had done. Part of the problem is that most people know very little about art and what they are purchasing and are easily swayed to the negative instead of just enjoying it.

 

For me, I don't care for the casino and yet others spend every waking moment it is open gambling away. More people lose than win yet no one suggests doing away with it. At least at the art auction, you walk away with something tangible for your dollars. Different strokes for different folks and there is room enough for all to enjoy.

 

As always, just my $.02 and YMMV. Enjoy the weekend!

[AFT_LOVER]

and alll the wonderful folks I have met. A few have come to the Officers Memorial every May in Cleveland & again I've seen them in NYC at the 9/11 memorial service. Gotta have those kilts too!

 

Beautiful service for the mom & dad with everyone who helped raise AJ growing up that came to cry away at him in the coffin. As I told his wife, I see that he didn't suffer for a second. Now he is with God as a new guardian angel watching over all of us & all those who cared about us.

 

Now District 1 is back on duty, and things are falling back into place. I am home again with my dear husband who talked me into getting out before some jerk nailed me. So a year ago I did. But I am here to hug & listen to troubles & a phonecall for 4 at a restaurant & I show. Just to be together again.

 

So thank you for reminding me of family I forgotten about.

 

BE SAFE!

 

Sorry to say but the art auction & inch of gold scream RIP OFF to me. quote]

 

Amen to that, Macop.

 

Alan

 

PS Hope you and your colleagues are coping with your recent tragic loss...best wishes from Scotland.