Smoking on QM2 after UK ban

[travel-to-go]

 

 

Dad?!

:eek:

 

No, dear! I just smell like him!

:o:cool::D

[Kindlychap]

Not to mention sex!

 

(And then a whole lot more......)

 

Karie,

who is heartless and mean and selfish when she prefers that there be some areas where smoking is not done!

 

Hear hear.

 

I'm all for the legalisation of drugs and prostitution. As you say, banning clearly isn't working.....

 

Matthew

[boaterette]

I'm not saying that second hand smoke is not bad for you. But what about all the toxins in exhaust fumes from vehicles. Not only are these bad for your lungs but they are harmful to the ozone. Why isn;t the government banning these. Why are they even allowing cruise ships to sail. Eveyone of you taht is compaining about the second hand smoke are traveling on a major polluter. Kind of ironic.

[colwill]

There is also research into the health benefits of moderate red wine consumption.

http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/health_news/010903wine.html

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=23592

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1719675.stm

plus numerous others if you do a bit of googling.

I don't believe that I have seen the same for moderate smoking?

 

I hate to say this, but to be pedantic a close relation has ulcerative colitis. There is a link between smoking and this condition but, unfortunately for Samantha'sDad's argument, smoking has been scientifically proved to have a protective effect and it is significantly more common in non-smokers.

 

By the way, our local hospital banned smoking in the grounds last summer; it has proved to be unworkable as the security staff who were supposed to police it have refused to co-operate.

[pnhmrk]

Oh you mean if you drink to excess ! yes that is stupid

 

What do you mean by "to excess"? Do you mean one or two glasses of wine? That much alcohol is sufficient to have significant effect or reactions, emotions, moods. Why do you think many countries have a zero alcohol limit with driving? No alcohol in the blood at all is the safest way to stay in control.

[pnhmrk]

I don't believe that I have seen the same for moderate smoking?

 

Several years ago I suffered a neurological problem. That has left me so that I am unable to work full time and tire very quickly. Smoking meant that I felt the need to take short breaks and get right away from the working environment. Those breaks helped me to get through the morning. I can still take breaks now that I don't smoke but there is always the temptation to say "I'll just finish this". I end up not taking a break. Moderate smoking does have some good effects on health.

[pnhmrk]

Or, if, Malcolm, you truly believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, that I am the only soul in the universe adversely affected by passive smoke

 

No more than I was the only soul that got benefit from smoking - why can't we both just live in peace?

 

Who is heartless and mean and selfish when she prefers that there be some areas where smoking is not done!

 

Karie - it isn't heartless, mean or selfish to wish for some areas where there is no smoking - the problem only comes when every area is non smoking.:)

[SamanthasDad]

I hate to say this, but to be pedantic a close relation has ulcerative colitis. There is a link between smoking and this condition but, unfortunately for Samantha'sDad's argument, smoking has been scientifically proved to have a protective effect and it is significantly more common in non-smokers.

 

"However, smoking has a detrimental effect on general health, such as:

• an increased risk of coronary heart disease.

• an increased risk of lung disease. It is also well documented that smoking causes lung cancer.

• an increased risk of peripheral vascular disease (blood clots and narrowing of the leg veins).

• reduced absorption of vitamins and minerals and altered taste perception of foods.

• reduced general fitness.

• premature ageing of the skin.

It would, therefore, seem more prudent to take a more simple and conventional laxative such as Fybogel, Normacol methylcellulose (Celevac) or Lactulose, together with a sensible eating plan rather than smoking cigarettes."

 

Taken from. http://www.crohns.org.uk/Docs/4/uc/Smoking%20and%20Ulcerative%20Colitis.html

[SamanthasDad]

why can't we both just live in peace?

We will when smoke from the smoking area cannot be inhaled in the non smoking area.:)

[GAV BOY]

I'm not saying that second hand smoke is not bad for you. But what about all the toxins in exhaust fumes from vehicles. Not only are these bad for your lungs but they are harmful to the ozone. Why isn;t the government banning these. Why are they even allowing cruise ships to sail. Eveyone of you taht is compaining about the second hand smoke are traveling on a major polluter. Kind of ironic.

 

Without our Transport infrastructure the worlds economy would collapse !

 

But it wouldn,t without smoking ! :D

[GAV BOY]

What do you mean by "to excess"? Do you mean one or two glasses of wine? That much alcohol is sufficient to have significant effect or reactions, emotions, moods. Why do you think many countries have a zero alcohol limit with driving? No alcohol in the blood at all is the safest way to stay in control.

 

I agree, as i said i am tea-total ! :D

 

But if people want to drink in their homes to excess thats fine !

 

Same rule for smoking !

[colwill]

"However, smoking has a detrimental effect on general health, such as:

• an increased risk of coronary heart disease.

• an increased risk of lung disease. It is also well documented that smoking causes lung cancer.

• an increased risk of peripheral vascular disease (blood clots and narrowing of the leg veins).

• reduced absorption of vitamins and minerals and altered taste perception of foods.

• reduced general fitness.

• premature ageing of the skin.

It would, therefore, seem more prudent to take a more simple and conventional laxative such as Fybogel, Normacol methylcellulose (Celevac) or Lactulose, together with a sensible eating plan rather than smoking cigarettes."

 

Taken from. http://www.crohns.org.uk/Docs/4/uc/Smoking%20and%20Ulcerative%20Colitis.html

 

This is neither the time nor the place for a protracted discussion on ailments. However, my relative is 20 and her likelihood of developing bowel cancer increases by 10% every year. Work out the odds for yourself.

 

Things are not always as simple as they seem.

[GAV BOY]

This is neither the time nor the place for a protracted discussion on ailments. However, my relative is 20 and her likelihood of developing bowel cancer increases by 10% every year. Work out the odds for yourself.

 

Things are not always as simple as they seem.

 

But is this not beyond her control ? :eek:

[guernseyguy]

We will when smoke from the smoking area cannot be inhaled in the non smoking area.:)

 

Seems reasonable to me! Whats unreasonable about it?

 

Peter

[aqhacruiser]

I am in Pa. in the States living next to two states NJ and NY that have banned smoking in all public places including bars and dining places. So far Pa. has not entered into the stupidity of this ban however there is pressure coming from Philly. I have a question, Since the UK is banning smoking in all public places, will you still be able to buy tobacco products in the UK? See, I have a problem with these state smoking bans we have going on here in the U.S. as tobacco is a legal product in the U.S. and the anti smoking states still continue to rake in tax on tobacco products sold in thier anti smoking states yet they want the residents of the states to stay locked in thier homes or slinking around in the woods somewhere to use the product. See it's ok to buy the product at the inflated prices of 8.00 a pack and higher but just don't use the product. Now in Atlantic City in NJ, casino owners retained the right to permit smoking on the casino floors! How is that fair to the local pubs that also serve alcohol but can't let patrons smoke? Yet, have a drink and a cigarette on any casino floor in NJ. No hotel in NJ or NY can permit smoking under the law but you can find a room in Atlantic City that allows smoking. Doesn't seem fair to the other hotels in NJ or NY does it? My beloved Marriott has gone completely non smoking in all the states.

Now people are yapping about making cruise ships non smoking. At least on land we can smoke in our homes or hidden somewhere outside. In my opinion if smoking is so bad for you that the UK is banning it and some states are banning it, then why is it still a legal product to be sold to us? Many cruiselines are now banning bring alcohol on board, by the end of this year RCCL will be completely trans fat free in their food. NY has already banned any trans fat to be used in any food. Where does it end? My grandfather died of lung disease also. Not from smoking from working with asbestos. Many preservatives used in food can cause cancer, sugar free sweeteners can cause cancer and have caused cancered in lab rats for years yet are still sold and put out at just about every eatery in the states and one the ships. What about all the steroids and other vaccines that livestock are given that cause cancer? Chemicals we use everyday in cleaning products, fumes from factories and cars, etc... Are we going to ban life? It's one thing to receive information about the dangers of various products, its another thing when we are told what we can use and what we can't. Many years ago smoking was advertised as a great way to relax, it was pushed and sold to Americans and our goverment backed it. Now they say something else. We've been told several products over the years are perfectly safe and then told later they are dangerous. It's kind of hard to believe the goverment anymore especially when tobacco is a legal product and sold everywhere in the states. I would think if a product is so dangerous it would be banned altogether and made illegal! I am more concerned over what they put in our food to preserve it, make it look pretty, make it grow bigger, etc. I have an aunt that is 83 and has smoked a pack of unfiltered cigarettes everyday since she has been 14 years old. She cooks with oil and butter and real eggs and sugar and she grows her own vegatables. She is perfectly healthy and when she fell and broke her wrist 3 years ago her chest xray was perfectly clear. So there is more going on than just smoking that causes lung disease. People should have the right to use a legal product and businesses should have the right to permit it or ban it as they see fit. The cruiselines all have designated smoking areas and it works just fine as it keeps all passengers happy or at least it should but then you have some people complaining but the majority of these people are going to complain about other things too. Next they will want alcohol banned, or rich foods. You just can't please everyone no matter how hard you try. :o

[GAV BOY]

I am in Pa. in the States living next to two states NJ and NY that have banned smoking in all public places including bars and dining places. So far Pa. has not entered into the stupidity of this ban however there is pressure coming from Philly. I have a question, Since the UK is banning smoking in all public places, will you still be able to buy tobacco products in the UK? See, I have a problem with these state smoking bans we have going on here in the U.S. as tobacco is a legal product in the U.S. and the anti smoking states still continue to rake in tax on tobacco products sold in thier anti smoking states yet they want the residents of the states to stay locked in thier homes or slinking around in the woods somewhere to use the product. See it's ok to buy the product at the inflated prices of 8.00 a pack and higher but just don't use the product. Now in Atlantic City in NJ, casino owners retained the right to permit smoking on the casino floors! How is that fair to the local pubs that also serve alcohol but can't let patrons smoke? Yet, have a drink and a cigarette on any casino floor in NJ. No hotel in NJ or NY can permit smoking under the law but you can find a room in Atlantic City that allows smoking. Doesn't seem fair to the other hotels in NJ or NY does it? My beloved Marriott has gone completely non smoking in all the states.

Now people are yapping about making cruise ships non smoking. At least on land we can smoke in our homes or hidden somewhere outside. In my opinion if smoking is so bad for you that the UK is banning it and some states are banning it, then why is it still a legal product to be sold to us? Many cruiselines are now banning bring alcohol on board, by the end of this year RCCL will be completely trans fat free in their food. NY has already banned any trans fat to be used in any food. Where does it end? My grandfather died of lung disease also. Not from smoking from working with asbestos. Many preservatives used in food can cause cancer, sugar free sweeteners can cause cancer and have caused cancered in lab rats for years yet are still sold and put out at just about every eatery in the states and one the ships. What about all the steroids and other vaccines that livestock are given that cause cancer? Chemicals we use everyday in cleaning products, fumes from factories and cars, etc... Are we going to ban life? It's one thing to receive information about the dangers of various products, its another thing when we are told what we can use and what we can't. Many years ago smoking was advertised as a great way to relax, it was pushed and sold to Americans and our goverment backed it. Now they say something else. We've been told several products over the years are perfectly safe and then told later they are dangerous. It's kind of hard to believe the goverment anymore especially when tobacco is a legal product and sold everywhere in the states. I would think if a product is so dangerous it would be banned altogether and made illegal! I am more concerned over what they put in our food to preserve it, make it look pretty, make it grow bigger, etc. I have an aunt that is 83 and has smoked a pack of unfiltered cigarettes everyday since she has been 14 years old. She cooks with oil and butter and real eggs and sugar and she grows her own vegatables. She is perfectly healthy and when she fell and broke her wrist 3 years ago her chest xray was perfectly clear. So there is more going on than just smoking that causes lung disease. People should have the right to use a legal product and businesses should have the right to permit it or ban it as they see fit. The cruiselines all have designated smoking areas and it works just fine as it keeps all passengers happy or at least it should but then you have some people complaining but the majority of these people are going to complain about other things too. Next they will want alcohol banned, or rich foods. You just can't please everyone no matter how hard you try. :o

 

Yes i believe the sale of Tobacco should be illegal !

The same as other dangerous drugs !

I have heard it said that nicotine is more harmful than Cannabis !

[mufi]

In this country it's not just the property of the hospital, but property near the hospital!

 

This is a new one on me. Outside the boundry of the hospital, don't think so.

 

David.

[guernseyguy]

Yes i believe the sale of Tobacco should be illegal ! The same as other dangerous drugs !

 

I don't - drugs should be controlled - but not banned - its been tried before with ethanol - didn't work - all it did was fuel a crime boom - just like the current 'war on drugs'. Some politicians never learn......And since smoking is an established, and well taxed, addiction what smokers do to themselves in the privacy of their own homes, without affecting others, is really rather up to them - and the £9.3bn a year they contribute in tax offsets their £1.5bn cost to the NHS - which cynics (or ro be precise, the Lancet) suggest may have been behind the Government's initial reluctance to act:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3292979.stm

 

All banning would do would be to increase crime.....

 

Peter

[GAV BOY]

I don't - drugs should be controlled - but not banned - its been tried before with ethanol - didn't work - all it did was fuel a crime boom - just like the current 'war on drugs'. Some politicians never learn......And since smoking is an established, and well taxed, addiction what smokers do to themselves in the privacy of their own homes, without affecting others, is really rather up to them - even if general taxation has to bear some of the cost implications via the health service. All banning would do would be to increase crime.....

 

Peter

 

But as you can see on here Peter the people on the other side of the arguement are saying that by banning smoking in Public but still collecting tax the Goverment are hyporcrits !

 

So what do they want ?

 

Gavin :D

[GAV BOY]

But as you can see on here Peter the people on the other side of the arguement are saying that by banning smoking in Public but still collecting tax the Goverment are hyporcrits !

 

So what do they want ?

 

Gavin :D

 

Sorry back again !

 

Also they dont just do it in the privacy of their own homes !

 

I would be happy with that compromise :D

[guernseyguy]

But as you can see on here Peter the people on the other side of the arguement are saying that by banning smoking in Public but still collecting tax the Goverment are hippercrits !

 

Politicians hypocrits! No, never! If something is harmful there are a range of ways of making it less attractive - putting up the cost is one, banning it in public another. Since the link between smoking and lung cancer has been in the public domain for over 50 years, I have limited sympathy for addicts under 70. Remember free will! You have no choice!

 

Peter

[GAV BOY]

Politicians hypocrits! No, never! If something is harmful there are a range of ways of making it less attractive - putting up the cost is one, banning it in public another. Since the link between smoking and lung cancer has been in the public domain for over 50 years, I have limited sympathy for addicts under 70. Remember free will! You have no choice!

 

Peter

 

Your lucky to have the ban already, and we will soon and it seems an excellent compromise to me. so i cant understand why it isn,t to everyone ! :D

[KenC]

It seems to me that if the pro-smoking lobby had used its influence and the tobacco industry had used some of its past profits to create a more tolerable environment for non-smokers in pubs, clubs and restaurants throughout the UK then perhaps smoking would not have become as anti-social as it is considered today. Smokers and the tobacco industry can really only blame themselves for the introduction of a ban. AND.... let's not forget this ban is going Europe wide rapidly - Ireland, most of Scandinavia, France (I'll believe it when it succeeds!!!!) and Spain etc.

 

Ken

[pnhmrk]

This is a new one on me. Outside the boundary of the hospital, don't think so.

 

David - I've just tried to find a reference for it and can't:o . I am sure that I didn't make it up but am not (at all) sure where I heard it.

[Kindlychap]

I have heard it said that nicotine is more harmful than Cannabis !

 

Really? Was the person who told you that the same person that told me that the moon was made of blue cheese?

 

Cannabis is actually more dangerous than many realise. The real dangers are to mental health, not physical health.

 

A lot of things are bad for you. People get pleasure from a lot of them.

 

Matthew

 

PS - What are "trans fats" anyway?