WHY are cruise ships still in the dark ages about smoking?

[lostie]

OK, I'll join you OT, If you injure me with your SMAV (suburban mom's assault vehicle), you pay for my injury. Either through insurance you have (maybe that the gummint made you buy) or you get sued.

 

You blow smoke in my air and I'm SOL.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth!

[lostie]

Rather than go through all of this, why not just choose a cruise line that has a more restrictive smoking policy, quit complaining, & speak with your pocketbook? Perhaps it is because your point of view has more to do with imposing your view on others than it does with having clean air for yourself?:rolleyes:

 

No not really, I like clean air. My mom had lung cancer from smoking so I want to avoid smoke at all costs.

[NthernLgts]

No not really, I like clean air. My mom had lung cancer from smoking so I want to avoid smoke at all costs.

 

My dad had it too. Again I say, why not just choose a cruise line whise smoking policy suits your preference, speak with your pocketbook & stop complaining?

[lostie]

I'm actually fine with NCL smoking policy. I live in a city where smoking is completely banned in all indoor areas except private residences, so I am never around second hand smoke. I know eventually the cruise lines will catch on and all smokers will be left out in the doghouse so to speak. If smoke bothers me I will leave and go somewhere else, there are plenty of places to go on a cruise ship. I just love starting fire with people who think their rights to pollute the air WE breathe is more important than those who don't. :rolleyes:

[vjmatty]

I'm actually fine with NCL smoking policy. I live in a city where smoking is completely banned in all indoor areas except private residences, so I am never around second hand smoke. I know eventually the cruise lines will catch on and all smokers will be left out in the doghouse so to speak. If smoke bothers me I will leave and go somewhere else, there are plenty of places to go on a cruise ship. I just love starting fire with people who think their rights to pollute the air WE breathe is more important than those who don't. :rolleyes:

 

But you just admitted you don't breathe it, so who is "WE"? :confused:

[2Cruise4Ever]

you are right, there are some hotels and some states that ban smoking anywhere in the hotel, on the other hand, and I travel quite often, most hotels have smoking and non smoking rooms.

 

Nita

 

Yep, Marriott has made ALL of their properties around the world smoke free. That's why I won't stay in one. DH is getting ready to travel to Louisville, KY for the National FOP conference. They're staying in the Marriott downtown. I'm flying down later to join him for a long weekend. He's checking out of the Marriott and we're going to stay somewhere else because of their policy.

[bUU]

To me if I say "this subject have been beaten to death", then frankly I am tired of talking about it. So if you are tired of people talking about it, then why bother getting involved?

I'm confused. The message you added this reply to answered your inquiry:

 

"While I don't agree that this specific subject has been beaten to death, I do think it unfair to ask why someone reads a specific thread even if they feel that the subject has been beaten to death before. If the only people left discussing an issue are the ones who are most passionate about it, then the thread will in no way be a reflection of reality, where most people tend to be moderate in their perspectives."

 

Maybe we're playing Jeopardy! :)

[WELSH WIZARDS]

Yep, Marriott has made ALL of their properties around the world smoke free. That's why I won't stay in one. . He's checking out of the Marriott and we're going to stay somewhere else because of their policy.

I guess you will soon have to add some where else to your list, along with lots of Europe.

 

" Government PROPOSALS to ban smoking on all ships sailing in UK waters have been greeted with widespread support.

With new restrictions on smoking in public places now in force, ministers are now looking at putting in place a similar ban on all vessels with crews and passengers sailing up to 12 miles off the coast and on inland waterways.

It would not just apply to UK registered ships but to ships of any flags, and those visiting Felixstowe and other UK ports come from all over the world

Following a consultation exercise on the idea, the government is now set to follow it up with a set of draft regulations for further comment this autumn and hopes to bring in a new law next year.

“Very few respondents took issue with the proposals and most clearly recognised the health benefits associated with reduced exposure to second hand smoke and were keen to see clear unambiguous regulations introduced.”

Lawyers have assured government it will be within its rights to enforce smoking bans on ships of other nations sailing in UK waters.

It was felt by some that while smoking in work and communal areas, including sleeping quarters, should be banned, there would still need to be areas on board where people could smoke away from fellow seafarers - especially as people stay on some ships for months.

However, it was felt some vessels were unsuitable for smoking on deck and in some cases smoking on deck is fully restricted.

One idea to be investigated is the possibility of designating some cabins for smokers.

“There was agreement amongst most consultees that the benefits would not only include the improved health of workers but would also lead to a more pleasant working environment,” said the Dft spokesman.

Shipping union Nautilus UK felt workers should be protected from second hand smoke wherever they are in the world and that other Health and Safety legislation does not stop applying once a vessel has left UK territorial waters."

[lostie]

But you just admitted you don't breathe it, so who is "WE"? :confused:

 

When I go to the casino (on a cruise or Atlantic City) I breathe it. I don't breathe it in Philly where I live and New Jersey is smoke free EXCEPT for the casinos.

[vjmatty]

When I go to the casino (on a cruise or Atlantic City) I breathe it. I don't breathe it in Philly where I live and New Jersey is smoke free EXCEPT for the casinos.

 

Actually I think staying out of casinos has greater benefits to society besides the avoidance of second-hand smoke, since I live near one here in upstate NY I see the damage, but that is an entirely different thread all together ;)

[lostie]

Hasn't this topic been beaten to death? Over and over and over....

 

ACTUALLY!!! THIS IS THE RESPONSE I RESPONEDE TO.:D

[NthernLgts]

I'm actually fine with NCL smoking policy. I live in a city where smoking is completely banned in all indoor areas except private residences, so I am never around second hand smoke. I know eventually the cruise lines will catch on and all smokers will be left out in the doghouse so to speak. If smoke bothers me I will leave and go somewhere else, there are plenty of places to go on a cruise ship. I just love starting fire with people who think their rights to pollute the air WE breathe is more important than those who don't. :rolleyes:

 

I am a non-smoker except for the occasional cigar (which arent allowed on most ships anyway) & I have never smoked cigarettes. Most smokers simply want to be left alone to smoke where the cruise lines designate acceptable. Most already expect reasonable limitations. Should other cruise lines go the way of Oceania or Azamara this non-smoker will speak with his pocketbook and simply not cruise with them because my wife is a smoker. We travel together. I seriously doubt the non-smokers left will ever make up the revenue loss from smokers and non-smoking spouses like me.

[ChevyCruiser]

Stay out of the smokers space and they will stay out of yours...

 

That's a short-sighted statement. That's like saying you won't pee in my end of the pool.;) The fact remains that while smokers think they have a right to smoke, that right stops at my right to breath clean air.

[Jhawktx]

That's a short-sighted statement. That's like saying you won't pee in my end of the pool.;) The fact remains that while smokers think they have a right to smoke, that right stops at my right to breath clean air.

 

Exactly right!

[BobBeaSea]

That's a short-sighted statement. That's like saying you won't pee in my end of the pool.;) The fact remains that while smokers think they have a right to smoke, that right stops at my right to breath clean air.

 

We don't "think" we have the right to smoke in designated smoking areas....we KNOW we do.

 

BTW, who the heck gave us the "right" to breathe clean air. The air we breathe in large urban areas on hot, humid days is many things but "clean" ain't one of 'em. :)

[lostie]

I am a non-smoker except for the occasional cigar (which arent allowed on most ships anyway) & I have never smoked cigarettes. Most smokers simply want to be left alone to smoke where the cruise lines designate acceptable. Most already expect reasonable limitations. Should other cruise lines go the way of Oceania or Azamara this non-smoker will speak with his pocketbook and simply not cruise with them because my wife is a smoker. We travel together. I seriously doubt the non-smokers left will ever make up the revenue loss from smokers and non-smoking spouses like me.

 

I don't think cruiselines will ever forbid smoking completely, but probably indoors except for some smoking cabins (like hotels). That's just my opinion because that seems to be the way many states/cities are dealing with this issue.

[lostie]

We don't "think" we have the right to smoke in designated smoking areas....we KNOW we do.

 

BTW, who the heck gave us the "right" to breathe clean air. The air we breathe in large urban areas on hot, humid days is many things but "clean" ain't one of 'em. :)

 

BUT people have the right to choose whether or not they want to live in a large urban area. No one forces you to live there.

[rebeljohn]

................I think it's time for a cigar..........

 

I'll bet the Las Vegas bookies will give you odds on how much longer this thread will last...........

[BobBeaSea]

BUT people have the right to choose whether or not they want to live in a large urban area. No one forces you to live there.

 

 

And people have the right to choose to smoke or not smoke :D.

[vjmatty]

BUT people have the right to choose whether or not they want to live in a large urban area. No one forces you to live there.

 

And no one forces you on a cruise ship, or into a casino. This can go round and round and round.... like the chicken and the egg, or the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object... there is no right or wrong answer, just smoke in your smoking sections, don't smoke in your non-smoking sections, drink your gin-and-tonica, (sorry!) etc ;)

[OURTIME]

you are absolutely correct if you dont like it stay off the ship or go on a non smoking boat. if u dont like the smoke in the casino then just stay out...why is it so complicated for you...if i go into a bar that doesnt allow smoking i dont go in there and start bit****g, i sit there and have a few drinks and then go outside for a smoke. is this inconvenient for me , absolutely!!!! but i accept the fact that i have entered into a non smoking facility....so lets all just deal with it because things are the way they are for now, but just like i said previously when i do quit smoking , again, i am not gonna get pissed at the smokers because i believe they have as much right as i do.............

[Leafpeeper]

I think NCL does a good job having a smoking lounge just for cigars, cigarettes, and pipes. Unfortunately, it was located across from the library on NCL Star. Everytime someone opened the door the smoke got sucked into the library.

 

NCL Dawn and Star have a hallway around the casino so you have some protection from most smoke.

 

Personally, I think Carnival does a pretty good job separating their smoking bars from the main traffic areas. They seem to have a decent ventilation system.

 

We loved sailing on RCCL's Jewel of the Seas a couple years ago EXCEPT that they have a smoking bar off the Atrium. You MUST pass thru this Schooner Bar to get into their Italian specialty restaurant and their steak house, as well as to enter into their main lounge for the Captain's Reception and other various activities throughout the cruise. Unlike Carnival, on RCCL, you have to pass thru the casino to get into the theater.

 

People who have asthma have a really tough time walking thru a smoking bar like the Schooner Bar because the smoke is so thick. I had to cover my nose and hold my breath whenever I passed this bar.

 

I think cruiselines could do alot more to keep smoking lounges separated with glass doors and not where nonsmokers have to pass thru.

[vjmatty]

We loved sailing on RCCL's Jewel of the Seas a couple years ago EXCEPT that they have a smoking bar off the Atrium. You MUST pass thru this Schooner Bar to get into their Italian specialty restaurant and their steak house, as well as to enter into their main lounge for the Captain's Reception and other various activities throughout the cruise. Unlike Carnival, on RCCL, you have to pass thru the casino to get into the theater.

 

People who have asthma have a really tough time walking thru a smoking bar like the Schooner Bar because the smoke is so thick. I had to cover my nose and hold my breath whenever I passed this bar.

 

I would think that with the new policy for staterooms, this would have to be changed so that there are more ways to get around without passing these areas... otherwise it defeats the purpose of non-smoking staterooms.:rolleyes:

[firstcruise92]

I didn't read every post here so I don't know if this was mentioned. We were on Carnival's Paradise three times when it was a smoke-free ship. It was very nice to have the option to select a ship that was totally smoke-free. Every time we went the ship was full and we were told we should put on the comment card that Carnival should add another smoke-free ship. Unfortunately, instead of adding a second ship, they dropped this one as a smoke-free vessel. I understand that, although they could fill the ship with passengers, they weren't booking enough groups on this ship. It was very sad because it gave us an option that we no longer have.

[vjmatty]

I didn't read every post here so I don't know if this was mentioned. We were on Carnival's Paradise three times when it was a smoke-free ship. It was very nice to have the option to select a ship that was totally smoke-free. Every time we went the ship was full and we were told we should put on the comment card that Carnival should add another smoke-free ship. Unfortunately, instead of adding a second ship, they dropped this one as a smoke-free vessel. I understand that, although they could fill the ship with passengers, they weren't booking enough groups on this ship. It was very sad because it gave us an option that we no longer have.

 

:confused: I don't understand the difference... a full ship is a full ship, what difference does it make if they were in groups? Granted I have not done a group cruise before, but why does it matter?