Fuel Consumption

[Captain Funtime]

Lots of threads about the fuel surcharge but no real information on how many gallons of fuel are ACTUALLY consumed on a daily basis. Obviously it varies on the size of the ship. They don't burn gasoline or even diesel fuel. I searched but haven't been able to find consumption numbers. No guesses please...looking for real numbers.

 

 

[Snorkel2Much]

Lots of threads about the fuel surcharge but no real information on how many gallons of fuel are ACTUALLY consumed on a daily basis. Obviously it varies on the size of the ship. They don't burn gasoline or even diesel fuel. I searched but haven't been able to find consumption numbers. No guesses please...looking for real numbers.

 

 

Search for "Metric ton" or "Bunker fuel". The shipping industry doesn't generally report fuel usage in gallons.

[joan_al]

It's between 16,000-19,000 gals. a day based on a 7-day cruise. Saw it on the travel channel, I beleive it was one of the RCCL ships. Alot of factors to consider though time of year, how many ports, speed of ship, how long the ships been in the water without a hull cleaning, etc.

[Jeano222]

Captain on Serenade of the Seas last month told us the ship uses 1 liter of fuel every 42 feet.

[lubbockcruzr]

breakdown I just did follow along LOL

 

 

1 liter every 42 ft say you go one way 950 miles x 5280 ft per mile = 5,016,000 ft divided by every 42 ft =119,428 liters liter = .2642 gal so multiply 119,428 x .2642 = 31,553 gallons okay say they do get it cheaper say 2.00 for that bunker fuel that still comes to $63,106 dollars ONE WAY 950 MILES both ways = $126,212 okay say fuel went up 30% equals 2.00 x 30% .60 cents 31,553 x 2.6 = 82,038.80 one way x 2 = $164,075.60 so they have spent close to $40,000 dollars more just on sailing time that is not including idleing in port diesell engines for AC and such so the amounts are staggering and this is based on guess of 2 for bunker fuel

[kgk]

breakdown I just did follow along LOL

 

 

1 liter every 42 ft say you go one way 950 miles x 5280 ft per mile = 5,016,000 ft divided by every 42 ft =119,428 liters liter = .2642 gal so multiply 119,428 x .2642 = 31,553 gallons okay say they do get it cheaper say 2.00 for that bunker fuel that still comes to $63,106 dollars ONE WAY 950 MILES both ways = $126,212 okay say fuel went up 30% equals 2.00 x 30% .60 cents 31,553 x 2.6 = 82,038.80 one way x 2 = $164,075.60 so they have spent close to $40,000 dollars more just on sailing time that is not including idleing in port diesell engines for AC and such so the amounts are staggering and this is based on guess of 2 for bunker fuel

 

OP said no guessing :) (lol over your thread -- well done!)

[ArkieCruiser]

Based on the impressive mathmatical calculations earlier, LMAO, my simple math of the $5.00 surcharge per passenger with an average of 2,000 passengers on a ship for 7 days, Carnival would take in $70,000. If the increased cost of fuel was $40,000 it looks like Carnnival is making a nice $30,000 profit on the surcharge!!!

[bubbles1209]

Based on the impressive mathmatical calculations earlier, LMAO, my simple math of the $5.00 surcharge per passenger with an average of 2,000 passengers on a ship for 7 days, Carnival would take in $70,000. If the increased cost of fuel was $40,000 it looks like Carnnival is making a nice $30,000 profit on the surcharge!!!

Let's take the Conquest with 1487 cabins. 2 guest per cabin is 2974 passengers.

7 day cruise, 2 people per cabin on a ship that holds 2974 passengers.

5.00 pp, per day = $70.00 total for 2 guests per cabin. $70.00 multiplied by 2974=$208,180.00 for a one week sailing. I did this out of curiosity for each ship the other night. I figured it up using the average number of days cruise each ship does the most. (Example, right now the splendor is mostly doing 12 day cruises, yes they do the 14,17 & 18, but 12 days are more frequent for that ship) Once I figured out the amount for each ship, I added them all up, and the total income for one week was.........

:eek: $3,514,760.00. Multiply that times 4, and it makes $14,059,040.00 per month. So I too, wonder what it comes to that they use in fuel and spend on fuel in a month verses what they are making based off of those figures I figured up. Nah, I had nothing to do, couldn't sleep, and curiosity was killing the cat so to speak.:p

[GoinCruisin]

Let's take the Conquest with 1487 cabins. 2 guest per cabin is 2974 passengers.

7 day cruise, 2 people per cabin on a ship that holds 2974 passengers.

5.00 pp, per day = $70.00 total for 2 guests per cabin. $70.00 multiplied by 2974=$208,180.00 for a one week sailing. I did this out of curiosity for each ship the other night. I figured it up using the average number of days cruise each ship does the most. (Example, right now the splendor is mostly doing 12 day cruises, yes they do the 14,17 & 18, but 12 days are more frequent for that ship) Once I figured out the amount for each ship, I added them all up, and the total income for one week was.........

:eek: $3,514,760.00. Multiply that times 4, and it makes $14,059,040.00 per month. So I too, wonder what it comes to that they use in fuel and spend on fuel in a month verses what they are making based off of those figures I figured up. Nah, I had nothing to do, couldn't sleep, and curiosity was killing the cat so to speak.:p

 

 

First mistake was multiplying $70 by 2974 (should have been by 1487)... I've seen the scenario on how much fuel they use (which doesn't take into account the fuel used while sitting idle, etc) and I can't see how they would make money from this surcharge. I'm just surprised it took this long for them to implement it.

[ArkieCruiser]

Sorry Bubbles but your math is a little off. The surcharge would be $35 per person for a 7 day cruise which would be $35 X 2974=$104,090 and not the $208,180. Either way carnival is making a nice profit on the surcharge.

[bubbles1209]

First mistake was multiplying $70 by 2974 (should have been by 1487)... I've seen the scenario on how much fuel they use (which doesn't take into account the fuel used while sitting idle, etc) and I can't see how they would make money from this surcharge. I'm just surprised it took this long for them to implement it.

I believe 2974 was correct. There are 1487 cabins, however the fuel supplement is charged for the first 2 guests in each cabin. We were charged $40.00 each for our Miracle cruise in Feb, for a total of $80.00 for our cabin.

[GoinCruisin]

I believe 2974 was correct. There are 1487 cabins, however the fuel supplement is charged for the first 2 guests in each cabin. We were charged $40.00 each for our Miracle cruise in Feb, for a total of $80.00 for our cabin.

 

You multiplied $70 by the total number of PEOPLE. You should multiply the $70 by the total number of CABINS. If you are going to multiply anything by 2974, it should be $35, not $70. By multiplying 2974 by $70, you are basically saying that each person is paying $70, not $35.

[joan_al]

It all boils down to this. $35 is not alot of money per week for each of us. If you enjoy cruising you'll pay it, I know I will. I'm not going to shut down my life for a stinking $70.00 for me and my wife. A sunset from our balcony cabin with a glass of wine is more important to us.

[chefboyrdee]

the average fuel consumption for carnival vessels is 70 gallons per mile. this figure was taken from an information display at he shore excursion desk on the sensation.

[skiorcruise]

While on the Conquest last year, we got a fun facts sheet that listed the following:

 

Diesel Fuel Consumed - 30000 gal / day

Fuel burnt per hour - 5 tons

Furl burnt to run 1 mile - 70 gal

 

I'm not up to all the math, nor do I really care. $5 per person per day is one drink + tip per day. I enjoy crusing enough that I'd rather give up a drink each day than give up the cruise...and I probably will have that extra drunk anyway.

 

However, I will stay out of the casino as my own personal form of protest. Besides, I've given enough to the Carnival Ship Building Fund while there.

 

2 cruises booked after Feb, none canceled.

[Wennfred]

Lots of threads about the fuel surcharge but no real information on how many gallons of fuel are ACTUALLY consumed on a daily basis. Obviously it varies on the size of the ship. They don't burn gasoline or even diesel fuel. I searched but haven't been able to find consumption numbers. No guesses please...looking for real numbers.

 

 

 

Should be in the 2007 3rd Qtr Earnings report.

 

 

Fuel Cost info on page 13 of the Earnings Report: http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?dcn=0001169232-07-003769&Type=HTML

 

 

Forward Outlook

 

As of September 20, 2007 we said that we expected our diluted earnings per share for the fourth quarter of 2007 would be in the range of $0.42 to $0.44. Our guidance was based on the then current forward fuel price of $421 per metric ton for the 2007 fourth quarter.

 

 

 

 

Fred

[minpin04]

Ski when the powder is deep,

Cruise when it melts,

and work like a dog to afford it all.

Dave, I love your sig!!! Wish I had thought of it first...LOL. My thoughts on the gas surcharge is this. The cruise lines could have just raised the cost of the cruise, but instead opted to add a temporary surcharge, instead of a permanent price increase. $5 a day isn't going to make a bit of difference to me!

 

Kim

[Wennfred]

Dave, I love your sig!!! Wish I had thought of it first...LOL. My thoughts on the gas surcharge is this. The cruise lines could have just raised the cost of the cruise, but instead opted to add a temporary surcharge, instead of a permanent price increase. $5 a day isn't going to make a bit of difference to me!

 

Kim

 

I agree with you, and I paid my $70. yesterday to unlock my eDocs. What most people are saying which I also agree is that once you lock into a price and contract, they shouldn't come back and hit you again. I was totally paid for back in Feb for my April 08 cruise and I got hit with the charges. They should of went with New Bookings starting as of a specific date as they always do with new deals. That way if the customer hasn't paid for their cruise yet and was given the option to opt out.

 

 

 

 

Fred

[Jeano222]

fred, did carnival ask you to pay your cruise in full before it was due? If you are ticked off at cruise line because they weren't grateful to you for paying it off, that's not their problem. I think it's crazy to pay off before it's due but if I did, I wouldn't be mad at them because I chose to pay it off before it's time. They gave everyone notice prior to final payment being due on cruises after 2/1/08. I don't feel sorry for people who had paid in full prior, they chose to do it.

[big_duck]

Based on the impressive mathmatical calculations earlier, LMAO, my simple math of the $5.00 surcharge per passenger with an average of 2,000 passengers on a ship for 7 days, Carnival would take in $70,000. If the increased cost of fuel was $40,000 it looks like Carnnival is making a nice $30,000 profit on the surcharge!!!

 

He said sailing time. The ships "engines" (actually electrical generators) run 24/7 365 whether the ship is moving or not.

[Wennfred]

fred, did carnival ask you to pay your cruise in full before it was due?

 

Nope, not upset at that, and thats not the point, I always pay my cruises upfront just to get it out of the way, and if there is a price drop I get the free upgrade or the OBC. As I stated, I paid my $70. extra dollars yesterday morning with no problems as I understand about the fuel increases. We are getting slammed here in San Diego, our fuel rates are the highest in the nation.

 

The point I had was that it really isn't fair to hit people that already locked into a contract. I should of stated it that way eariler. The new surcharge rates should of only applied to New Bookings thats all.

 

 

Fred

[Aske]

What would interest me is how many people book their cruise way in advance, and watch the price on a weekly basis, and when the price falls, calls for OBC.

 

Now the people who’ve stated they are being punished by booking so far out, how many people have at least $100 in OBC?

 

What if Carnival did not put in a fuel surcharge and just decided to strip everyone of the OBC they got for price drops. Instead you had to pay your full fare, and now because you booked way out, got the OBC, you lose it.

 

Guess the $5 a day is what my option of choice, even if I only had received a price drop of $100 or so I would still be ahead $30 that I didn’t have before.

[bubbles1209]

You multiplied $70 by the total number of PEOPLE. You should multiply the $70 by the total number of CABINS. If you are going to multiply anything by 2974, it should be $35, not $70. By multiplying 2974 by $70, you are basically saying that each person is paying $70, not $35.

:eek: my bad:eek: :o :p Ok, so divide it half and there ya go. But didn't have to YELL:confused:

[kgk]

After reading about surcharges extra nickel and diming charges and everything else -- I've got the definitive answer.

 

It costs Carnival exactly (ok give or take a few hundred dollars) $4300 to move the Glory from Cape Canaveral to Nassua, St Thomas and St Martin.

 

Thats what we're paying for a couple of cabins, 5 people. The food is free, the entertainment is free, the extras that go on my S&S and then credit card are line item/separate. Everyone else is just along for the ride and therefore it costs Carnival just a couple of thousand in fuel. As far as the fuel surcharge, not really a problem because we are booked prior to the implementation, however, it wouldn't bother me to have to pay the extra $70 per cabin. Gas in CT has gone up about $0.50/gallon in the past few weeks and I'm paying at least $30-$40 more per week to fill up the cars. I guess the few extra bucks for the surcharge would be about right.

 

As for me, I'll leave it to the number crunchers to figure out what to charge me, and how to charge me. I'll add up all the numbers and see if I can or want to pay the total charges and I'm off.... (just curious, when we buy something on ebay or another online auction site, don't we also look at the shipping charges? -- it's always about total costs after taxes, surcharges, shipping etc?)

 

Talk about thread drift...I guess this is post drift.

 

Did we ever figure out what it costs in fuel per mile?

[Captain Funtime]

Continued research in pursuit of knowledge....

 

Cruise ships burn Bunker C (a.k.a. #6 fuel oil). The least expensive.

 

A metric tonne of Bunker C has 256.65 - 278.25 gallons.

 

Bunker C is currently about $500/metric tonne or roughly $2/gallon.

 

If the Conquest consumes 5 metric tonnes/hour.... 1,337.25 gallons.

 

The ship consumes more oil at cruise speed than it does when in port.

Thus, on average...it would not consume 1,337.25 every hour.

 

Using average numbers... $2,600/hr at cruise. 2,500 pax at $5/day is $12,500.

 

Any thoughts ?