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[NancyNM]

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I don't like laying odds on 6/8, but I will on 4/5/9/10. (Just a personal preference.) On a $5 table, will they let me lay $6 on a 4/10 to make $3 and lay $6 on a 5/9 to make $4? Or would I have to bet enough so that a winning bet is at least the table minimum, i.e., lay $10 to make $5 on a 4/10 and lay $7.50 to make $5 on a 5/9? In Vegas, I saw both ways so I have no idea which way is the consensus/majority view. My preference would be to bet the minimum on odds while still getting mathematically proper payouts. Hey, I'm cheap, but not stupid. ;)

 

I've never seen any casino enforce any kind of "minimum" odds. I don't think they'd let you lay $1 against 4/10 (or $2 against 5/9) because it's impossible for them to pay anything on it, but when betting the pass line, if you bet too little on odds, it would just get paid at even money, and they won't care (as you're only hurting yourself).

 

I'd say certainly try it (i.e. lowest amount that gets you paid correctly), and see if they complain.

Nancy

[Casino Player]

Just found this board-- great addition!

 

Yo, another darksider here. I just got back from Vegas a few weeks ago and played more craps than I ever had before. (Also like to play BJ, pai gow poker, and roulette.) I made some decent money and had a great sense of when to back off and wait out a shooter. I'm with Yo 100%. I don't need the crowd and the cheers-- just pay me. When it's a hot table, I'll back off and root for the rest of you to make some money too!

 

I'm a low stakes gambler though, played all $3 tables out in Vegas. Wife and I are heading to Adventure of the Seas in September and never played craps on the seas before (always stuck to BJ). From what I've read, looks like all ships have $5 minimums, is that right?

 

I don't like laying odds on 6/8, but I will on 4/5/9/10. (Just a personal preference.) On a $5 table, will they let me lay $6 on a 4/10 to make $3 and lay $6 on a 5/9 to make $4? Or would I have to bet enough so that a winning bet is at least the table minimum, i.e., lay $10 to make $5 on a 4/10 and lay $7.50 to make $5 on a 5/9? In Vegas, I saw both ways so I have no idea which way is the consensus/majority view. My preference would be to bet the minimum on odds while still getting mathematically proper payouts. Hey, I'm cheap, but not stupid. ;)

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLOOOOO iambumbo: You have two choices. The first is go with a $10 bet then lay 2-1 on the four and ten and 2-3 on the 5 and 9. Or you could just play for your even money bet. I don't like laying odds.

[jetwet1]

HAHAHA! Did you catch the bozo slam his FIELD bet at 1:33 like it was some big deal? HAHAHAHA!

 

As expected, the don't player is knowledgeable. :D

 

The first thing I noticed was every player throwing $12 in for a $6 6 n 8, the true sign of a rookie player, real players know to place the chips down, it's just good manners.

 

Hop bets are allowed in Vegas and as you can see from the fact that casinos are now ordering layouts with them printed on them, they are incouraged even :D

[Lisa&Neb]

Just found this board-- great addition!

 

Yo, another darksider here. I just got back from Vegas a few weeks ago and played more craps than I ever had before. (Also like to play BJ, pai gow poker, and roulette.) I made some decent money and had a great sense of when to back off and wait out a shooter. I'm with Yo 100%. I don't need the crowd and the cheers-- just pay me. When it's a hot table, I'll back off and root for the rest of you to make some money too!

 

I'm a low stakes gambler though, played all $3 tables out in Vegas. Wife and I are heading to Adventure of the Seas in September and never played craps on the seas before (always stuck to BJ). From what I've read, looks like all ships have $5 minimums, is that right?

 

I don't like laying odds on 6/8, but I will on 4/5/9/10. (Just a personal preference.) On a $5 table, will they let me lay $6 on a 4/10 to make $3 and lay $6 on a 5/9 to make $4? Or would I have to bet enough so that a winning bet is at least the table minimum, i.e., lay $10 to make $5 on a 4/10 and lay $7.50 to make $5 on a 5/9? In Vegas, I saw both ways so I have no idea which way is the consensus/majority view. My preference would be to bet the minimum on odds while still getting mathematically proper payouts. Hey, I'm cheap, but not stupid. ;)

 

 

I think the poster was asking would they only me able to bet at 1-1 if the odds did not allow for a proper bet ammoujnt. I believe that most casinos will let you go up to the next unit (bet) that allows for a proper payoff.

 

on the 4 and 10... any even number (so if max is $5.. they would let you bet 6) so 6 pays 3. on 5 and 9, anything that allows them to pay 2-3 so $6 to pay 4 and the 6 and 8 would be maxed at 6 to pay 5.

 

I know they have max odds, but they do not want to upset the players that know what they are doing. This is atleast my experience at most casinos. (here in Ontario... they will let you go to $30 on a $5 5 or 9 at 5x odds (so it is actualy 6x!!!)

[Yo Eleven]

The first thing I noticed was every player throwing $12 in for a $6 6 n 8, the true sign of a rookie player, real players know to place the chips down, it's just good manners.

 

Hop bets are allowed in Vegas and as you can see from the fact that casinos are now ordering layouts with them printed on them, they are incouraged even :D

Really craps tables with hops layouts? That would be awesome. :D

[Yo Eleven]

Just found this board-- great addition!

 

Yo, another darksider here. I just got back from Vegas a few weeks ago and played more craps than I ever had before. (Also like to play BJ, pai gow poker, and roulette.) I made some decent money and had a great sense of when to back off and wait out a shooter. I'm with Yo 100%. I don't need the crowd and the cheers-- just pay me. When it's a hot table, I'll back off and root for the rest of you to make some money too!

 

I'm a low stakes gambler though, played all $3 tables out in Vegas. Wife and I are heading to Adventure of the Seas in September and never played craps on the seas before (always stuck to BJ). From what I've read, looks like all ships have $5 minimums, is that right?

 

I don't like laying odds on 6/8, but I will on 4/5/9/10. (Just a personal preference.) On a $5 table, will they let me lay $6 on a 4/10 to make $3 and lay $6 on a 5/9 to make $4? Or would I have to bet enough so that a winning bet is at least the table minimum, i.e., lay $10 to make $5 on a 4/10 and lay $7.50 to make $5 on a 5/9? In Vegas, I saw both ways so I have no idea which way is the consensus/majority view. My preference would be to bet the minimum on odds while still getting mathematically proper payouts. Hey, I'm cheap, but not stupid. ;)

WOW! The tables are turning around here. We got several dark siders here. That is great.

 

Now I like to know how many darksiders ROLL their own dice while playing the don't pass? Who here has REAL guts besides me? :D

[iambumbo]

WOW! The tables are turning around here. We got several dark siders here. That is great.

 

Now I like to know how many darksiders ROLL their own dice while playing the don't pass? Who here has REAL guts besides me? :D

 

I'm a darksider who frequently rolls the dice. Why? Because I'm usually pretty horrible and seven out fairly quickly. I like to roll when the rest of the table has been on a roll to slow them down. If I make a couple points, I'll just pass the dice anyway, so why not? On the other hand, if everyone shooting has been horrible, I'll usually pass the dice and let them keep shooting themselves in the foot.

[Yo Eleven]

I'm a darksider who frequently rolls the dice. Why? Because I'm usually pretty horrible and seven out fairly quickly. I like to roll when the rest of the table has been on a roll to slow them down. If I make a couple points, I'll just pass the dice anyway, so why not? On the other hand, if everyone shooting has been horrible, I'll usually pass the dice and let them keep shooting themselves in the foot.

Nothing wrong with that! :D

[cruzincurt]

I'm usually pretty horrible and seven out fairly quickly. I like to roll when the rest of the table has been on a roll to slow them down.

 

Thanks,...:mad::rolleyes::cool:....:D It think it would be polite to make that announcement before you roll.

Edited August 1, 2009 by cruzincurt

[Yo Eleven]

Thanks,...:mad::rolleyes::cool:....:D It think it would be polite to make that announcement before you roll.

The polite thing to do is to thank the pass line players for giving the house their money to pay for his don't bets. :D

Edited August 1, 2009 by Yo Eleven

[Yo Eleven]

cruzincurt will have a field day with this post.

 

Played on the gaming boat yesterday. Bought in for $1000. Two hours later busted out completely. Had a rough day. Everytime I got a don't point it would never seven out. I never was ahead. Man it was bound to happen. I have been real lucky lately winning a lot of money so it was my turn to take a bath. I was the laughing stock of the table. But, after I ended my play I thought about the dealers and made 20 dollars worth of bets for them and turned it into well over $50 dollars for them. They appreciated and they have provided me with excellent service past and present. It isn't their fault I had a bad game.

But, interesting enough, I did decide to try for the first time and play 3 card poker. I bought in for like a $100 dollars. And I get getting flush after flush after flush. Even a straight in there. Colored in for $600. THEN went back to the craps table and actually won enough money to end up 5 dollars ahead for the day. I couldn't believe it. But, not a enjoyable day at the craps table though.

[grod19]

cruzincurt will have a field day with this post.

 

Played on the gaming boat yesterday. Bought in for $1000. Two hours later busted out completely. Had a rough day. Everytime I got a don't point it would never seven out. I never was ahead. Man it was bound to happen. I have been real lucky lately winning a lot of money so it was my turn to take a bath. I was the laughing stock of the table. But, after I ended my play I thought about the dealers and made 20 dollars worth of bets for them and turned it into well over $50 dollars for them. They appreciated and they have provided me with excellent service past and present. It isn't their fault I had a bad game.

But, interesting enough, I did decide to try for the first time and play 3 card poker. I bought in for like a $100 dollars. And I get getting flush after flush after flush. Even a straight in there. Colored in for $600. THEN went back to the craps table and actually won enough money to end up 5 dollars ahead for the day. I couldn't believe it. But, not a enjoyable day at the craps table though.

 

 

Think of it this way Yo, You got hours worth of entertainment and someone else paid for your gas to get there. Sounds like an excellent day to me.

[rolotumasi]

Hello all: Just found this thread and spent the last few hours reading all the posts. I have been playing craps since 2001 and have gone to several casinos including Vegas (8 times), Atlantic City (3 times), Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun (1 time each) and Turning Stone an Indian casino in central New York at least 5 times.I will be sailing on the Explorer of the seas in October and this will be my first cruise. I thought a change of pace from Vegas and a change of venue would do me good.

 

My style of play is as follows: I usually look for a $5 or $10 table and buy-in for $100-$200

 

1)right side bettor

2)min pass line bet

3)2x time odds

4)$6 6 and 8 or $12 6 or 8 depends on the table

5) three place hits and down until the come out

6)ALWAYS before my first come out after buy-in $5 horn high YO for the crew (for good luck)

7)if I am doing well when I leave the table a little something extra for the crew

 

Using this system I have not broken the bank but have only gone down in flames (lost my entire bankroll once) That was at Ceasars Palace in Vegas last year playing craps in front of the pussycat dolls lounge as the all female dealers were in there bra's and fishnet stockings and women were pole dancing on an elevated stage above the tables. it was quite a scene:D I lost $300 but had a great time.

 

some craps highlights: I won $600 at the Mirage (the most I have ever won in 1 period) without ever rolling the dice!!!

 

At the hardrock in Vegas on superbowl eve in 2001 on a very crowded table and my second time ever throwing the dice. I rolled 7 or 11- 9 straight times on the come out I have never come close to that since.

 

At Trump Plaza in Atlantic City I once played with basketball great DR J who was such a nice man a real gentleman. At the other end of the table 2 loudmouth jerks were telling him he was not as good as Allen Iverson:mad: He took it all in stride but when he left the table the pit boss tore these jerks a new behind about the way they treated the DR. On a side note as a lifelong Celtics fan I would never insult the DR in this way. He was such a great player.

 

The BIG 6 and BIG 8 have been talked about on here. In Atlantic City it is not even on the layout. Also in almost every Vegas casino now the hop bets are all listed on the layout (for about 3-4 years now)

 

for those that have sailed on RCCL ships what have been the min bets at night on the craps table? thank you to all that respond. JOHN

[cruzincurt]

John, I've been on a few RCL cruises. Tables (ie. there is only one table on the ships) are $5. On one night, for a couple of hours, they might set the minimum down to $3 which is more of a pain than it's worth.

 

Yo, I swear on my last cruise, a couple of times I saw them let a dark side player place a bet on the Don't Pass AFTER the point was made.:eek: The dark siders should have ended up owning the casino. Some dealers are not used to the dark siders bets.

 

After I had made a few points, a dark sider snuck up and quietly played $75 on the Don't Pass after I already had a come-out roll of 4. ....I took great pleasure in taking him out.:D Being the polite craps player I am, I did not correct the dealers for letting Don't Pass bets after the come out roll.

 

Yo, from the description of your last trip, gambling can be a lot of work sometimes.

Edited August 4, 2009 by cruzincurt

[ETski]

I was playing on line (I know this is not real but it is something untill I cruise again) and was playing the pass line with odds and a come bet. Started to loose so I switched to the dark side and started a slow come back. My question: I had D/P with odds and a D/C with odds (6) the point was 9. the rolls were as follows 8,5,4,5,6(lost my D/C)6,6,8,8,6,7. So can you put a place bet down if you have money on the D/P?

Hope this in not too confusing.

ed :D

[Lisa&Neb]

yes... you can play both sides at the same time..... I have seen a guy play the good side, with 10 as the point, and then LAY the 4. so the 4 was covering his 10 bet, and he just had place bets on the inside numbers, and turned them into come bets. I asked him about it and he said he only does it when he has a 4 or 10 as the point. not sure why but he does....

[Yo Eleven]

Yo, from the description of your last trip, gambling can be a lot of work sometimes.

Amen, to that!

[Casino Player]

I was playing on line (I know this is not real but it is something untill I cruise again) and was playing the pass line with odds and a come bet. Started to loose so I switched to the dark side and started a slow come back. My question: I had D/P with odds and a D/C with odds (6) the point was 9. the rolls were as follows 8,5,4,5,6(lost my D/C)6,6,8,8,6,7. So can you put a place bet down if you have money on the D/P?

Hope this in not too confusing.

 

ed :D

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO ETski: Did you know that you could play both sides of the table at the same time? Place a bet on the Come Line and the same exact amount on the Don't Come. Take odds on the Come bets after you have about three numbers up. What you want here is to make money on the odds on the Come bets. Is this system a guarentee that you will win? Of course not. In gambling, just as in life, anything can happen.

Also, when betting the Don't, don't lay the odds. You have to lay 2 to win 1, or lay 3 to win 2, or lay 6 to win 5. If you have a hot shooter you will lose big time. One time I was playing at the Showboat in Atlantic City and witnessed a Don't Pass and Don't Come bettor roll a hot hand while betting the Don't. He layed odds and wiped himself out.

[Casino Player]

yes... you can play both sides at the same time..... I have seen a guy play the good side, with 10 as the point, and then LAY the 4. so the 4 was covering his 10 bet, and he just had place bets on the inside numbers, and turned them into come bets. I asked him about it and he said he only does it when he has a 4 or 10 as the point. not sure why but he does....

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Lisa&Neb: I do have an explanation for why that player does that. But, only if you want to hear it.

[AndyTheK]

Place a bet on the Come Line and the same exact amount on the Don't Come. Take odds on the Come bets after you have about three numbers up. What you want here is to make money on the odds on the Come bets.

 

Whoa!! Surely you jest. First, the house LOVES it if you place offsetting bets on the Pass/Don't or Come/Don't. The reason is simple: 35 out of 36 times, they will pay the winner wuth the loser's bet. The 36th time is the BARred number - they take the loser and push the Don't. So, we are back to the usual 1.4% (approx) house edge, and the house isn't risking a dime!! .

 

As far as the odds bets, sure, you are playing with zero house advantage, but you always are when you bet the odds anyhow. You say "make money on the odds on the Come bets". You can lose them all just as well. In the end, zero edge = zero profit.

 

The thing to remember, and is often overlooked, is that EVERY BET on the crap table is independent of every other bet! Offsetting strategies will, at best, increase the time until you are ground down. But they can't do any more than that.

[Casino Player]

Whoa!! Surely you jest. First, the house LOVES it if you place offsetting bets on the Pass/Don't or Come/Don't. The reason is simple: 35 out of 36 times, they will pay the winner wuth the loser's bet. The 36th time is the BARred number - they take the loser and push the Don't. So, we are back to the usual 1.4% (approx) house edge, and the house isn't risking a dime!! .

 

As far as the odds bets, sure, you are playing with zero house advantage, but you always are when you bet the odds anyhow. You say "make money on the odds on the Come bets". You can lose them all just as well. In the end, zero edge = zero profit.

 

The thing to remember, and is often overlooked, is that EVERY BET on the crap table is independent of every other bet! Offsetting strategies will, at best, increase the time until you are ground down. But they can't do any more than that.

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO AndyTheK: The House doesn't like it when you place offsetting bets. I play that way when I go to Resorts in Atlantic City. What you are doing is taking away the house edge. Don't play this way if you expect comps because a casino will only have scorn for you. Remember, the house isn't risking anything anyway. In every casino game there is a negative expectancy for the player. Otherwise the House would have no reason to have a game where they are not making money at it.

Craps like any other casino game has a house edge. The average roll is about 4.5 rolls before a seven comes out. So every fourth or fifth roll should be a seven on average. However, every roll will not conform exactly to probability. Some people will seven out early. Some people will roll a medicore roll six to nine rolls before sevening out. Some will get a good roll going. I've seen some shooters roll for 30 minutes or more. You make money on hot shooters while you lose money on cold shooters. The idea is to have little money at risk when a seven is rolled and as much as you could afford when numbers are hitting.

How do you when a seven comes out? You really don't.

[AndyTheK]

The idea is to have little money at risk when a seven is rolled and as much as you could afford when numbers are hitting.

Could you please explain to this little ol' country boy exactly how you do this?

[The other Idaho 21]

Can someone please tell me the difference between buying points and placing them?

 

Thanks, I'm still learning...

[The other Idaho 21]

I consider myself an amateur player that has a good “basic” understanding of the game. In the past I’ve stuck to the pass line with odds and a few place bets, but I’ve never really won or lost too much.

 

I’ll be sailing in a few weeks on Liberty of the Seas (the same sailing as Yo Eleven), and plan to watch his play (even though I have always been a strict right-side player). I’m also planning to add a few Come bets with odds now that I understand what they do.

 

I’ve read all of the past posts and I’ve learned a lot, but since everyone is putting in their own two cents it can get a little confusing. I’m looking for some suggestions of good books that explain the game a little more in-depth, along with the different types of bets, and some betting strategies. Although I’ve found this board helpful, I’ve always found that I learn best by watching something; I just want to make sure that I understand what all I’m looking at when I’m watching the play.

 

Cheers, and thanks for the help.

[btyko]

In 1979, I came across The Playboy Book of Games by Edwin Silberstang. The few bucks I paid for it was well worth it. It had different chapters on different casino games.

 

I don't know if it is still in print, but anything written by Edwin Silberstang on the subject should be helpful.

 

I first became a blackjack expert, thanks to this book.

 

Over the years, due to other players driving me crazy, I switched to craps.

 

I always play passline and come, with maximum odds allowed. Playing the dark side gives slightly better odds, but I just can't bring myself to do it.

 

One thing the book does not mention, at least in its original print, I figured out for myself. I always have odds working, even on the comeout roll. Odds are automatically off on the comeout roll, but when the point is made, I give them the odds for the come bet, and say "Odds are working!"

 

I have met very few players who keep the odds working on the comeout roll, but why not? It is the same as any other roll. Don't tell me that the shooter is trying to make a seven, there is still a one in six chance, same as the roll before or the roll after.

 

By the way, Princess (as far as I know) and Carnival allow double odds. Royal Caribbean allows single odds, which is why I do not plan to cruise Royal any time soon. NCL allows 3x, 4x and 5x odds. That is 3x on the 4 and 10, 4x on the 5 and 9, and 5x on the 6 and 8.