dwgreenlee

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The press reports on Trump's speech/order indicated he was going to eliminate tourist travel. The Treasury said they would eliminate individual people-to-people travel (self-certification?) but still allow group people-to-people travel (the tour/travel company provides the certification?) The Treasury announcement also said Cruise ships would continue but new regulations on same were forthcoming. This is clear as mud.

Before the Obama changes the tour/travel company providing the certification - and obtaining a individual licence - had to be a "subject to US Jurisdiction" (a.k.a. a US company or other US thing.) Cruise Lines may not meet this requirement. For example RCI's ship is flagged in the Bahamas and RCI is incorporated in Liberia. The possibility of using a third party US Company to provide the tours and certification exists but the penalty for an improper certification is significant so "buying" this certification was/is not cheap.

Nothing says the new regulations and procedures will be the same as the pre-Obama rules, but if they are, much cruise travel will be impracticable and what remains will be expensive. Also, the Treasury announcement said that the new rules would apply to travel (1) taken after rule implementation and (2) booked after 16 June 2017 so you cannot do bookings now and be grandfathered. Regardless, the Trump announcement is going to intimidate both cruise lines and prospective travelers.

RCI and NCL have both issued statements that everything is OK but cruise lines always say everything is OK right up to the moment they cancel.

Announcement today:

June 16, 2017

Department of the Treasury

Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC)

Frequently Asked Questions on President Trump’s Cuba Announcement

1. How will OFAC implement the changes to the Cuba sanctions program announced by the President on June 16, 2017? Are the changes effective immediately?

OFAC will implement the Treasury-specific changes via amendments to its Cuban Assets Control Regulations. The Department of Commerce will implement any necessary changes via amendments to its Export Administration Regulations. OFAC expects to issue its regulatory amendments in the coming months. The announced changes do not take effect until the new regulations are issued.

2. What is individual people-to-people travel, and how does the President’s announcement impact this travel authorization?

Individual people-to-people travel is educational travel that: (i) does not involve academic study pursuant to a degree program; and (ii) does not take place under the auspices of an organization that is subject to U.S. jurisdiction that sponsors such exchanges to promote people-to-people contact. The President instructed Treasury to issue regulations that will end individual people-to-people travel. The announced changes do not take effect until the new regulations are issued.

3. Will group people-to-people travel still be authorized?

Yes. Group people-to-people travel is educational travel not involving academic study pursuant to a degree program that takes place under the auspices of an organization that is subject to U.S. jurisdiction that sponsors such exchanges to promote people-to-people contact. Travelers utilizing this travel authorization must maintain a full-time schedule of educational exchange activities that are intended to enhance contact with the Cuban people, support civil society in Cuba, or promote the Cuban people’s independence from Cuban authorities, and that will result in meaningful interaction between the traveler and individuals in Cuba. An employee, consultant, or agent of the group must accompany each group to ensure that each traveler maintains a full-time schedule of educational exchange activities.

4. How do the changes announced by the President on June 16, 2017 affect individual people-to-people travelers who have already begun making their travel arrangements (such as purchasing flights, hotels, or rental cars)?

The announced changes do not take effect until OFAC issues new regulations. Provided that the traveler has already completed at least one travel-related transaction (such as purchasing a flight or reserving accommodation) prior to the President’s announcement on June 16, 2017, all additional travel-related transactions for that trip, whether the trip occurs before or after OFAC’s new regulations are issued, would also be authorized, provided the travel-related transactions are consistent with OFAC’s regulations as of June 16, 2017.

5. How do the changes announced by the President on June 16, 2017 affect other authorized travelers to Cuba whose travel arrangements may include direct transactions with entities related to the Cuban military, intelligence, or security services that may be implicated by the new Cuba policy?

The announced changes do not take effect until OFAC issues new regulations. Consistent with the Administration’s interest in not negatively impacting Americans for arranging lawful travel to Cuba, any travel-related arrangements that include direct transactions with entities related to the Cuban military, intelligence, or security services that may be implicated by the new Cuba policy will be permitted provided that those travel arrangements were initiated prior to the issuance of the forthcoming regulations.

6. How do the changes announced by the President on June 16, 2017 affect companies subject to U.S. jurisdiction that are already engaged in the Cuban market and that may undertake direct transactions with entities related to the Cuban military, intelligence, or security services that may be implicated by the new Cuba policy?

The announced changes do not take effect until OFAC issues new regulations. Consistent with the Administration’s interest in not negatively impacting American businesses for engaging in lawful commercial opportunities, any Cuba-related commercial engagement that includes direct transactions with entities related to the Cuban military, intelligence, or security services that may be implicated by the new Cuba policy will be permitted provided that those commercial engagements were in place prior to the issuance of the forthcoming regulations.

7. Does the new policy affect how persons subject to U.S jurisdiction may purchase airline tickets for authorized travel to Cuba?

No. The new policy will not change how persons subject to U.S. jurisdiction traveling to Cuba pursuant to the 12 categories of authorized travel may purchase their airline tickets.

8. Can I continue to send authorized remittances to Cuba?

Yes. The announced policy changes will not change the authorizations for sending remittances to Cuba. Additionally, the announced changes include an exception that will allow for transactions incidental to the sending, processing, and receipt of authorized remittances to the extent they would otherwise be restricted by the new policy limiting transactions with certain identified Cuban military, intelligence, or security services. As a result, the restrictions on certain transactions in the new Cuba policy will not limit the ability to send or receive authorized remittances.

9. How does the new policy impact other authorized travel to Cuba by persons subject to U.S. jurisdiction?

The new policy will not result in changes to the other (non-individual people-to-people) authorizations for travel.

Following the issuance of OFAC’s regulatory changes, travel-related transactions with prohibited entities identified by the State Department generally will not be permitted. Guidance will accompany the issuance of the new regulations.

10. How will the new policy impact existing OFAC specific licenses?

The forthcoming regulations will be prospective and thus will not affect existing contracts and licenses.

11. How will U.S. companies know if their Cuban counterpart is affiliated with a prohibited entity or sub-entity in Cuba?

The State Department will be publishing a list of entities with which direct transactions generally will not be permitted. Guidance will accompany the issuance of the new regulations. The announced changes do not take effect until the new regulations are issued.

12. Is authorized travel by cruise ship or passenger vessel to Cuba impacted by the new Cuba policy?

Persons subject to U.S. jurisdiction will still be able to engage in authorized travel to Cuba by cruise ship or passenger vessel.

Following the issuance of OFAC’s regulatory changes, travel-related transactions with prohibited entities identified by the State Department generally will not be permitted. Guidance will accompany the issuance of the new regulations.

If I found all those mass market lines superior to Oceania then there is no way I would spend the difference in money between them, regardless of the itinerary.

 

I've been on all those except HAL and NCL and for my money the only one that comes close is Celebrity. But as Paul said, we all have choices.

Actually if you do an Apples to Apples comparison, Oceania is not really more expensive than some of those lines cited. For example, I am booked on a Princess LA to Sydney 25 day cruise in an outside Mini-Suite w/ balcony that is going to run $940 per day. My last Oceania - Miami to Southampton - for a Concierge outside w/balcony cost $743 per day. The Princess cabin was a little bigger but Oceania included Specialty Dining, soft drinks and daily service charge, so the price point is a pretty fair comparison.

You cannot really compare the price of Oceania to Carnival, NCL etc. because they do not do comparable itineraries. Clearly the simple round trip Caribbean cruises are cheaper per day largely do to more competition.

We do not like megaships. We like the R ships. Azamara is our favourite cruiseline. We have also cruised on Oceania, Windstar, HAL, NCL, Katarina and Louis. After all the good things we had heard about Oceania we had high expectations of a cruise on Nautica in 2014. It was disappointing. Nothing at all wrong with the cabin (an inside), but service and food lacking. This year we tried Oceania again, on Insignia this time. It was a lacklustre cruise. Again it did not come up to expectations in the food and service areas. The way they handled 4 cancelled points was also very disappointing. We were thankful we got a large price reduction after booking – it just was not worth the original price.

 

Nevertheless we enjoyed the cruise and I am not complaining, just observing that we have had far better experiences with other lines. Oceania would never be our first choice, but if they have an itinerary which suits us timewise (we are very restricted as to when we can travel, because of business commitments) we might consider them again.

 

Everyone is different! We will enjoy our trips whoever we travel with, and I am sure you will too!

This is a fair and balanced comment. I have spent 14 days on Nautica before the Oceania assimilation into the NCLH collective and 39 on Insignia after the merger. The ships and cabins were fine - but the overall experiences were disappointing - especially on Insignia.

While my assessment is subjective, it represents my opinion comparing Oceania to other lines I have traveled on including: Princess (298 days), Norwegian (158), Royal Caribbean (74), Celebrity (35), Holland American (14) and Carnival (29). It also is not based upon ship size - I have traveled on ships smaller and larger than the R class and found all experiences superior to Oceania.

I would book another Oceania cruise but my decision to do so would be based solely upon the itinerary - not the expected shipboard experience.

Thanks to all who posted useful data! I have an Alaska cruise out of Seattle leaving 9/06 with no check in time selected but info herein indicates Seattle is not a staggered port yet. I have a New Orleans departure 4/9/17 where I did select a time. Could not understand the difference till now. Many thanks.

FYI, Princess uses a similar system but assigns time based upon your deck. You get an email a couple weeks before boarding telling you when to be there - without regard to your travel plans. Carnival's method is a lot better - never thought I would say that.

Where is its head office?

For US tax purposes and SEC filings it is 7665 Corporate Center Drive, Miami, FL 33126. Also, they trade on a US stock exchange.

That noted, they operate all over the world, have their ships built outside the US, employee few Americans, and pay their taxes to other countries.

My mistake NCLH is incorporated in Bermuda.

As NCL is a US line, it would seem usual to tip similarly to the US customs.

NCL Holdings is incorporated and pays corporate taxes in Panama. NCL Ships are registered in and fly the flag of the Bahamas (excluding POA). Excluding POA Crew and US Based Personnel, almost all NCL Employees are not US Citizens and do not pay US taxes. Not sure why you say NCL is US Line.

We were on Diamond Princess for a 9 day cruise around Hokkaido, Japan.

This was my 6th cruise but 1st with Princess. I've cruised 4x with Crystal, 1x with Celebrity.

 

To be honest, I was quite flabbergasted by how bad the cruise was. Especially shocking was:

1. The crew's attitude. The crew was completely cheerless: you could tell they were doing their job as if they are on an assembly line. No friendly greetings in the hallway. Some staff were not trained properly. At Sabatini, the waitress had somebody else's lobster shell on a plate and proceeded to deshell my lobster using the same utensils and plate she'd already used for another guest. Clueless personnel (not equipped with any Princess uniform/hat/jacket/flag) was responsible for Russian excursion. On and on and on.

 

2. The food in the Main Dining Room. Many nights we skipped the MDR since the food was just horrendous: portion was tiny and ingredients were subpar. Thank goodness for the 14th Deck.

 

3. The attempt to nickel and dime the passengers (my jaw dropped when after paying $30 for Bingo, Princess refused to provide pencils to mark the paper...instead expecting us to shell out a further $2.5 for special markers).

 

By no means am I trying to badmouth Princess. In fact, despite the bad service, I am not discounting the idea of a future Princess cruise. I really liked the room layout and the fact that pretty much dresscode was casual throughout the cruise.

 

So, did we just have bad luck with a bad crew? Should we give Princess another try?

Please stick with Crystal as I never travel on them.

I have over 250 nights on Princess and while some experiences are better than others I can clearly state I have never had a bad experience on Princess. I have also cruised on Oceania, NCL, Carnival, HAL, RCI, and Celebrity. Princess is, by far, my favorite.

I have seen Princess go to great lengths to try to accommodate impossible guests that do not want to be made happy. You travel thousands of miles and spend thousands of dollars to complain about spending $30 plus $2.50 to play bingo? I am not so sure you want to be made happy.

I did appreciate your taking the time to provide the link, it was educational, but I was specifically replying to the PP who said she was told that the reason to get the passport card was because if your passport is lost or stolen it would make getting a new passport easier. That's not a reason to get a passport card, although it may be a consideration. I am a big proponent of the passport card if they meet an individual traveler's needs (I live 8 miles from the Canadian border and know many who have them).

 

In fact before we cruised on the NCL Gem we debated getting passport cards because at that time all we could do was cruise and passport cards would allow us to go up to Canada if we wanted to (something we had not done since the rules changed and not something we do frequently). We had used our birth certs up until then, but it made me nervous using DW's naturalization certificate since to replace those it costs $350 so the cards would mean not having to carry that. We ended up getting Enhanced Drivers Licenses instead even though it's bit more than the card in the long run, mostly because we always have our licenses with us.

Fair enough. You are lucky to live in a state that issues EDLs. They are wonderful - proving ID, citizenship, and the right to drive. We live in Kentucky and our governor just vetoed the bill to make our DLs compliant with the real ID act of 2005. Not sure how this is going to play out but as it stands now our DLs will not be usable to board even a domestic flight as of Sep. 2017. Already there are reports of KY residents being turned away from federal buildings because the DL/real ID issue.

There is a list of documents that can used including a photocopy of your passport and keeping copies on the cloud is certainly a good idea. I wouldn't spend money on a passport card just in the off chance I lost my passport or had it stolen overseas, so it's still a poor selling point.

I was just addressing the merit of the use of the card in obtaining a replacement passport book - not selling anything. There are lots of other reason to get a passport card - easy to carry, waterproof, convenient Canada or Mexico land border crossing, domestic ID for those of us that live in non Real ID states, easy proof of citizenship, etc.

I also ran across as case where a passport was required to make a duty free purchase and my passport was being held by the ship. The merchant accepted the passport card - not sure if he should but he did. The savings was many times the passport card fee.

Each reader should understand the use and limitations of a passport card and decide if it is worth the $30. For you, clearly the passport card is not worth it.

The person you were speaking to didn't know what she was talking about. You'll get your lost or stolen passport replaced just as quickly and easily without the card.

To obtain an emergency passport from a US mission abroad you must present evidence of both identity and citizenship. A passport card will fulfill both of those requirements.

US Missions will work with you - accepting faxed copies of documents to establish your identity and citizenship - but keeping a passport card in a safe (second) place could speed the process.

In addition to keeping a passport card separate from my passport book, I keep copies of my birth cert., passport, passport card, and driver licence online so I can access them even if robbed of everything.

More info at https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/emergencies/lost-or-stolen-passports-abroad.html

It is. I believe on the Vista's inaugural Carnival kept the passports. I just recall of few posters having conniptions about it, although I may have read about that on my wife's "other book" site.

 

It's rare for Carnival to do it based on where they sail but much more common with other cruise lines based on itinerary. I know Oceania has cruises where they keep your passport for the entire cruise.

 

Here's an article on it:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/cruises/articles/Must-my-cruise-line-look-after-my-passport/

Oceania does indeed like to hang on to your passport. On our 2015 Miami to London adventure Oceania collected the passports upon boarding in Miami and even held them for the entire cruise including the US portion - Miami, Port Canaveral, Norfolk, New York, Boston, and Bar Harbor.

There was an issue during the port call in Port Canaveral as the port security would not allow passengers to reenter the port unless they had BOTH the ship's card and an photo ID - no copies accepted. Several passengers had brought their passport as their only ID and the ship had to send the passports out to the terminal security check point so the passengers could enter.

Carnival, NCL. RCI, Celebrity and HAL have never collected our passports. Princess has sometimes but only collects them for the port needing them and then promptly returns them.

I seem to remember that someone on this forum once created a template if the Oceania tags that you could print at home.

One time when the blue book was quite late, I called O and they sent me blank O tags.

In the worst case scenario, stevedores at the port will/should have blank generic tags.

Tag was created in Powerpoint. If anyone wants the source file just email me at dwgreenlee <at> aol <dot> com.

Get both passport book and card. Leave the card in the safe as it will facilitate sea based entry into the United States should you lose your documents ashore. Carry the book on your person as you can use it to fly home or to the next port should you miss the ship.

I carry my passport book in a waterproof pouch in a cargo pocket securely closed.

I haven't been on NCL since 2005 and I didn't really enjoy their product back then (NCL Spirit), but figured I'd give them another shot. We have a 14 day Panama Canal trip with them in November. Since 2005 we've been on Disney, Celebrity, HAL, Princess, and Silversea (expedition, so not a fair comparison). I booked this trip on NCL because the suite was really a lot less expensive than any of the other lines, they seem like they have a decent kids program, and I wanted to try out the Haven (on the Jewel).

 

However, I see a lot of cutbacks mentioned and obviously the no beverage onboard policy. Since it's been 11 years since we've been on them, I was hoping the product has improved, but now I'm second guessing this trip. Is it a much inferior product to Celebrity (our mass market favorite)? I could cancel and switch to Celebrity, but for a comparable suite, Celebrity is about $5,000 more, which I don't think that additional cost would be worth it. But I also don't want to spend so much money on a Haven Owners suite and regret the trip.

 

Can anyone offer insights or comparisons or should I cancel and stick with what I know (Celebrity for thousands more)?

I have been thru the Canal five times on NCL - on POA, Star, Pearl and twice on the Jewel; and I am still actively cruising on NCL. I loved each of the canal trips and I think you will as well. Not sure what type of dining package you get with the Haven but be sure to dine in each of the specialty restaurants - they are great. If a Ultimate Dining Package is not included be sure to buy it - well worth the money.

I think NCL is making a mistake with their short notice policy changes - and creating a lot of bad press unnecessary - but they still have a very good product. In the interest of full disclosure; tap water is fine with me, I usually buy a soda package, I do not care what they have - Coke or Pepsi - and I never use room service but would be glad to pay for it if I wanted something.

To provide you all with more info--our NCL cruise is 2 weeks long, booked balcony with Unlimited beverage and 6 specialty dining nights.

 

The O cruise would be inside cabin for 10 nights. We would take the $400 pp OBC.

 

It's $1k total difference. We're in our 30's and look to relax, see some local culture, and unwind.

NCL would be my call in the situation you detail. Balcony cabin is a lot nicer than an inside and 6 nights in the NCL specialty dining would make the food about equal to O. Better shows and nightlife on NCL as well. For info, I have over 50 nights on O and over 150 on NCL. r/Don

Yesterday: wake up call from Captain, "Do not be alarmed at the thick black smoke coming from the engine room. We have not determined the origin, but it is nothing to worry about!" Second notice from cruise director, "The ship has been slowed to a very low speed so that we can exhaust the smoke from the engine room so that we can determine the origin of the smoke. ". Next notice from the Captain, "We have had to turn off some systems in order to determine the origin of the fire." We already know. There's no AC, the waffle irons are off, and you can't get an omelette! But there is no fire, remember, and we were never in any danger, and everything was under control (fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh messages). Apparently, all is ok. Nothing seems to have burned up, and we don't seem to be in any danger.

As noted, there are no real clear criteria but they tend to like the type of curlers/curler irons that automatically turn off. Also, you should not leave them out and/or plugged in. Fifty plus cruises - 600 plus days - and never a problem.

Thank you.

 

I have to say that the welcome on board show on my previous cruise was so dire that I didn't even go to the first of those on the World Cruise and I certainly wouldn't have gone to subsequent ones, although since the OP referred to them as "things to come" they may have differed slightly in content :). I just feel that a show telling me how great it is to be cruising on Oceania is a waste of my time. And repetition wouldn't have made me feel better. But do you just ignore the segmenters whose presence is making the cruise viable?

 

One of the things I thought was really charming was that at the planning stages for this World Cruise, before the fire, a poster called seasoned set up meet and greet sessions for each segment to welcome the newbies on board.

 

As far as I can make out, turnarounds happened on 4 subsequent ports, viz. Shanghai, Sydney, Papeete and Los Angeles. That's 4 days out of a total of 108 where I'd have missed afternoon tea and had a shortened breakfast time. I miss afternoon tea on most port days so that's not a deal breaker for me, and a reduced breakfast time I could live with. Logistical problems, ie running out of things, which the OP mentioned can happen on any cruise and is surely highly likely on a lengthy one. People do their best to predict what will be needed but these things happen. Last year they ran out of English Breakfast Tea!

 

The cruisers had to get off the boat in Los Angeles. Someone suggested this might have had to do with US Immigration.

 

So, knowing that World Cruises have segments and also that Oceania entertainment is widely regarded as lacking everyone can now make an informed decision.

 

One of the things I would like to have heard about was the special events laid on for World a Cruisers. Despite my asking the question the OP hasn't replied, perhaps to keep the element of surprise for the next batch of World Cruisers.

Fair summary - thanks for posting your perspective.

And I was speaking to the actual fact that the OP chose to disregard what she'd been told about the lack of entertainment and chose to believe that all cruise lines had ballroom dancing lessons. I've had my fair share of Oceania advertising and don't recall ever seeing ballroom dancing lessons mentioned. I feel, and I could be wrong, that the OP created her own expectations despite what she'd heard about Oceania. That's hardly the fault or indeed the responsibility of the cruise line. Would you not agree?

My agreement with the OP is on the points (1) the repeat of the entertainment (specifically the welcome onboard show) each segment and (2) the disruption encountered by world cruise passengers during "turnaround" days for the segments. Those, in my opinion, are legitimate issues you would not expect to encounter by the way Oceania advertises and books longer cruises.

I would never expect any specific type of entertainment, lessons, enrichment, or any other specific activity (so long as there was some activity) on a cruise so I am not defending the OP's position on ballroom dancing.

I think that means I am agreeing with you.

Sorry, it was my perception, rather than yours, that the OP was, sadly, disappointed - because expectations were not met, as we both agree. I think the difficulty here lies with the balance of responsibility. I do agree also that this thread will assist others.

 

I was most surprised by your statement that "The only real facts are those presented by the OP."

The "facts" I was speaking to was the OP's expectations and how they were created. I get a lot of Oceania advertising - email, mailings, and even phone calls - so I do understand how expectations could be created.

Your arguments might have some validity, EXCEPT that the few facts that the OP admits to having had before booking the Cruise (reread Post #1), tell us that she researched the wrong ship and the wrong Cruise Line.

 

Most likely, she thought that she would be sailing on this ship:

With that in mind, I can't think how you could possibly use her opinions of Oceania as a true gauge.

The issues raised by the OP that concern me are (1) the repeat entertainment and (2) the impact on world cruisers during "turnaround" days for the segments. I do not really see anything in the Oceania documents that warns me of that so without the OP I could have made the same mistake.

Hondorner was one of the first to book the Original World cruise OP is now on with the knowledge there would be segmenters as was stated in the O literature. OP should have known this.

I find it offensive that you attack a VERY well respected member of this community be he a "cheerleader" or not. He has been a wealth of information to so many of us and I have gleaned some wonderful and incredibly money saving info from him. He has travelled with many lines and states the plus and minuses of all of them.

Please everyone...just be kind..this board is becoming so hostile.

I am not attacking anyone - not my intention anyway. I simply do not agree that the OP "should have known" the issues regarding segments and I appreciate the information the OP provided. That does not seem all that hostile to me.

You are quite right to say that the OP was sadly disappointed by her World Cruise experience and let's not forget that she did say it wasn't all bad in a subsequent post. It's also true to say that her opinion is of value to other people looking to book an Oceania worls cruise, but I can hardly believe that you wrote the first sentence above.

 

When someone starts a post with the heading "Comments/facts" I'm inclined to wonder why I need to be told that what will follow contains facts since I don't start reading a post from the premise that it will be untruthful.

 

You point out that Don wasn't present when the OP booked. That's true, but the OP stated, as a fact, that she was told "that Oceania doesn't offer much entertainment" then complained that she was bored in the evenings.

 

You point out that Don wasn't on the cruise. That's true, but I was, as one of the segmenters, and the OP states that "There are 2 or occassionally 3 entertainers for each segment". As I've pointed out before that simply is not true. In 20 days we had 6 new acts brought on board (and I have evidence of that) as well as 2 enrichment lecturers.

 

The OP isn't simply presenting facts, she, as most of us do, is presenting recollections and impressions, hence my point about having evidence regarding entertainment just so you know that's a fact-based fact as opposed to a recollection.

 

The OP states that she thought all cruise lines offered ballroom dancing lessons. Now that is true. She did think that. But, of course, it isn't the case. She was mistaken in her assumption, and herein lies the problem. The OP's opinions are perfectly valid and you are quite correct to defend her right to state them. The issue that I and others have is that one cannot simply say that something is a fact because the OP says it is when there is evidence to the contrary.

 

This cruise was a poor fit for this passenger and may well be for others, but to lay the blame solely at the feet of the cruise line seems to many of us to be unfair. I'm sorry the OP was disappointed, but would you not agree that some of the responsibility should lie at her own door?

I did not say the OP was "sadly disappointed" only that expectations were not met. I also did not say the blame rested "solely" with the cruise line - I said Oceania bore some of the responsibility. Yes, I do agree the OP has some responsibility as well.

My point is that I appreciate the OP posting these issues to assist others like me from booking not understanding the issues with the segments.