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  1. There is an article on apnews.com with the title “Florida docking plan in te works for ill-fated cruise sips” that talks about these two boats. In it it states ‘Despite pleas for help, commissioners appeared frustrated with the company when they learned that another Carnival-owned ship with people presenting flu-like symptoms was sailing toward Fort Lauderdale and scheduled to arrive in April.’ I guess we cannot interpret these incidents in isolation. After the Diamond, Grand, and Ruby Princesses, if I were in FL government, I would want some strong ironclad guarantees from CCL before allowing another of its boats to dock. I presume something of this sort will eventually be negotiated. Which additional CCL boat is the ap news article talking about?
  2. Politicians react to public pressure. Public pressure can inflame very fast with social media. One can easily imagine the following scenario: people erupt with the HAL announcement that Westerdam is going to Thailand, the sudden increase in Diamond Princess infections to 135 inflames them more, Thai politicians decide that the heat is not worth whatever benefit Thailand would gain from admitting the Westerdam and they change their mind. i truly hope that the news articles that Thailand has changed its mind are false. But if you think how the DP outbreak must look to Asians, the plight of the Westerdam does not seem especially surprising.
  3. I have just received a message from HAL that I can cancel in exchange for a future credit that can be used for a sailing within 12 months. The mysterious ‘terms and conditions’ were not attached, but I intend to accept this offer unless they are too onerous. For example if the replacement cruise must be booked immediately (as in an earlier buyout offer), this would be a no go. I am still mystified about travel insurance. The HAL premium policy includes 90% cancel for any reason coverage, but only 10K of medical coverage. The standard cruise coverage that I have has more generous medical coverage, but would not have covered me if I had cancelled due to epidemic. Would anyone seriously consider buying multiple policies? Unlike jb008, I still own CCL stock and love cruising. I just think that CCL’s handling of the current situation left much to be desired. After all, the closing of Japanese ports within hours of the infecteds on Diamond Princess increasing from 20 to 61 (the count is now 64) indicates some irritation by the Japanese government. Apparently the president of Princess is now in Japan and I assume the needed humble pie was eaten. My friend in Taiwan told me about efforts by the Taiwan government to locate people who may have been infected by DP passengers during their shore stop. His quote ‘Holy Cow, this is war!’ Hopefully there is some exaggeration here.
  4. My post said 318 cases outside of China. Your reference is primarily about cases inside China. Unfortunately the latter greatly swamp the former.
  5. The following is from a Cruise Critic news item (Feb. 7): "The bigger issue for cruisers on the current sailing is where Westerdam goes from here. With Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, The Philippines and other countries denying entry to cruise ships -- even ones with no suspected cases of the disease onboard -- Westerdam's potential ports to disembark guests at in Asia are now severely restricted." So apparently national authorities think that, in Asia at least, international cruising presents an unacceptable risk of disease transmission in the current epidemic. How can a customer be faulted for thinking the same?
  6. The following is from a Cruise Critic news item (Feb. 7): "The bigger issue for cruisers on the current sailing is where Westerdam goes from here. With Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, The Philippines and other countries denying entry to cruise ships -- even ones with no suspected cases of the disease onboard -- Westerdam's potential ports to disembark guests at in Asia are now severely restricted." So apparently national authorities think that, in Asia at least, international cruising presents an unacceptable risk of disease transmission in the current epidemic. How can a customer be faulted for thinking the same?
  7. Thank you for your interesting comments. The point is that the Diamond Princess incident shows that if an infected person manages to board the ship, the cruise company cannot protect its passengers. Infected individuals have a period of time without symptoms, and, as one post pointed out, might lie on their health questionnaires. It is probably impossible to reduce to an acceptable level the risk of boarding an infected individual. Infected individuals do get through immigration screening but their effect can be controlled on land (and hence the modest national counts of total infections outside of China). The Diamond Princess shows that an infected on board ship is very serious. National governments all over Asia apparently agree because they are closing their ports to international cruise ships. At this time, the Westerdam is floating around the East China Sea, unable to find a port willing to accept her. At this point, what I really think CCL (and probably other cruise companies) should do is to admit its inability to protect passengers and cancel its spring Asian cruises (refunds would result). To do otherwise is IMHO arrogant. Humble Pie would probably help. Cruise critic has a very interesting article that points out that standard cruise insurance policies do not cover epidemics. HAL does offer 'cancel any reason' policies, but these have more limited health coverage. Typhoid Mary is thought to have infected only 51 people (Wikipedia).
  8. Thank you for your interesting comments. The point is that the Diamond Princess incident shows that if an infected person manages to board the ship, the cruise company cannot protect its passengers. Infected individuals have a period of time without symptoms, and, as one post pointed out, might lie on their health questionnaires. It is probably impossible to reduce to an acceptable level the risk of boarding an infected individual. Infected individuals do get through immigration screening but their effect can be controlled on land (and hence the modest national counts of total infections outside of China). The Diamond Princess shows that an infected on board ship is very serious. National governments all over Asia apparently agree because they are closing their ports to international cruise ships. At this time, the Westerdam is floating around the East China Sea, unable to find a port willing to accept her. At this point, what I really think CCL (and probably other cruise companies) should do is to admit its inability to protect passengers and cancel its spring Asian cruises (refunds would result). To do otherwise is IMHO arrogant. Humble Pie would probably help. Cruise critic has a very interesting article that points out that standard cruise insurance policies do not cover epidemics. HAL does offer 'cancel any reason' policies, but these have more limited health coverage. Typhoid Mary is thought to have infected only 51 people (Wikipedia).
  9. I just called Holland America about the Feb. 29 Westerdam cruise. They offered a credit that can be applied to any 2020 cruise. They should simply refund all moneys paid for any Asian cruises this spring. The Carnival Corporation (this includes both Princess and Holland America) is the typhoid Mary of the corona virus epidemic. According to CNN there are 318 total cases of corona virus WORLDWIDE outside of China, 61 of which are on the Diamond Princess. To put it another way, except for the Diamond Princess, Japan has 25 cases FROM ALL SOURCES, South Korea has 24 and even Hong Kong has 24. The Diamond Princess is a disaster without parallel outside of China. How can we have confidence, despite all the Carnival Corporation assurances, that they can control this epidemic on any of their ships? The arrogance of the Carnival Corporation is unbelievable. It is time that they ate a big portion of humble pie. We have considerable power to influence corporate behavior. I have never used social media (Twitter, Facebook, etc.), but it is time for us to use them. I am going to step into the social media sphere this afternoon.
  10. I just called Holland America about the Feb. 29 Westerdam cruise. They offered a credit that can be applied to any 2020 cruise. They should simply refund all moneys paid for any Asian cruises this spring. The Carnival Corporation (this includes both Princess and Holland America) is the typhoid Mary of the corona virus epidemic. According to CNN there are 318 total cases of corona virus WORLDWIDE outside of China, 61 of which are on the Diamond Princess. To put it another way, except for the Diamond Princess, Japan has 25 cases FROM ALL SOURCES, South Korea has 24 and even Hong Kong has 24. The Diamond Princess is a disaster without parallel outside of China. How can we have confidence, despite all the Carnival Corporation assurances, that they can control this epidemic on any of their ships? The arrogance of the Carnival Corporation is unbelievable. It is time that they ate a big portion of humble pie. We have considerable power to influence corporate behavior. I have never used social media (Twitter, Facebook, etc.), but it is time for us to use them. I am going to step into the social media sphere this afternoon.
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