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    Everything.. Norwegian Aqua / Prima class #3

    in Norwegian Cruise Line

    Posted · Edited by Nathan Graveson

    On 5/12/2024 at 2:31 PM, JIMESOPUS said:

    On May 20th, NCL is holding their Investor Day, they like dropping little tidbits about expansions and the direction they are going. Hopefully,  they will post an update on the Aqua and the name of the next Leo. 

    So, I have looked on the United States Patent and Trademark Office, and these 3 are the remaining names for the Project Leonardo lineage. The names translated to English are as follows:

    Norwegian Luna - Norwegian Moon

    Norwegian Bella - Norwegian Pretty

    Norwegian Ultima - Norwegian Last

     

    So Norwegian Ultima will be the 6th and final name, so only Luna and Bella remain... My bets are currently on Bella for Leo 4 and Luna for Leo 5!

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    Icon 3 Blocks Are In The House!

    in Royal Caribbean International

    Posted

    33 minutes ago, RobInMN said:

    I'm not sure what @smokeybandit was looking at that specifically linked 'TR' to Icon3, but I found this as ga/ships in local storage. Some interesting notes:

    • Azmara ships are still in the list, but not SIlverSea
    • Some of the older Vision & Sovereign class ships (but not all of either) are listed twice, with & without the "of the Seas"
    • Legend is the only "of the Seas" ship missing, and LE is 'TBA'
    • Viking Serenade is listed, but nothing older.
    • CocoCay is listed as a "ship"
    • 'TR' is the only 'TBA' listed as 'TBA OF THE SEAS'
    • 'PN' & 'PG' are also 'TBA', hmm....

     

    [
      { "value": "AD", "name": "ADVENTURE OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "AL", "name": "ALLURE OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "AN", "name": "ANTHEM OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "JR", "name": "AZAMARA JOURNEY" },
      { "value": "ON", "name": "AZAMARA ONWARD" },
      { "value": "PR", "name": "AZAMARA PURSUIT" },
      { "value": "QS", "name": "AZAMARA QUEST" },
      { "value": "AW", "name": "AZAMARA WORLD CRUISE" },
      { "value": "BR", "name": "BRILLIANCE OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "AX", "name": "CELEBRITY APEX" },
      { "value": "AT", "name": "CELEBRITY ASCENT" },
      { "value": "BY", "name": "CELEBRITY BEYOND" },
      { "value": "CS", "name": "CELEBRITY CONSTELLATION" },
      { "value": "EC", "name": "CELEBRITY ECLIPSE" },
      { "value": "EG", "name": "CELEBRITY EDGE" },
      { "value": "EQ", "name": "CELEBRITY EQUINOX" },
      { "value": "FL", "name": "CELEBRITY FLORA" },
      { "value": "IN", "name": "CELEBRITY INFINITY" },
      { "value": "ML", "name": "CELEBRITY MILLENNIUM" },
      { "value": "CP", "name": "CELEBRITY PASSAGES" },
      { "value": "RF", "name": "CELEBRITY REFLECTION" },
      { "value": "SI", "name": "CELEBRITY SILHOUETTE" },
      { "value": "SL", "name": "CELEBRITY SOLSTICE" },
      { "value": "SM", "name": "CELEBRITY SUMMIT" },
      { "value": "XC", "name": "CELEBRITY XCEL" },
      { "value": "XP", "name": "CELEBRITY XPEDITION" },
      { "value": "XE", "name": "CELEBRITY XPERIENCE" },
      { "value": "XO", "name": "CELEBRITY XPLORATION" },
      { "value": "NB", "name": "CHINA NEXT CRUISE" },
      { "value": "CC", "name": "COCOCAY" },
      { "value": "EP", "name": "EMPRESS" },
      { "value": "NE", "name": "EMPRESS OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "EN", "name": "ENCHANTMENT OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "EX", "name": "EXPLORER OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "FR", "name": "FREEDOM OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "GR", "name": "GRANDEUR OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "HM", "name": "HARMONY OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "IC", "name": "ICON OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "ID", "name": "INDEPENDENCE OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "JW", "name": "JEWEL OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "LB", "name": "LIBERTY OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "MT", "name": "MAJESTY" },
      { "value": "MJ", "name": "MAJESTY OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "MA", "name": "MARINER OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "MN", "name": "MONARCH OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "NV", "name": "NAVIGATOR OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "OA", "name": "OASIS OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "OY", "name": "ODYSSEY OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "OV", "name": "OVATION OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "QN", "name": "QUANTUM OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "RD", "name": "RADIANCE OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "RH", "name": "RHAPSODY OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "SR", "name": "SERENADE OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "SO", "name": "SOVEREIGN" },
      { "value": "SS", "name": "SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "SC", "name": "SPECTRUM OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "SP", "name": "SPLENDOUR OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "ST", "name": "STAR OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "SY", "name": "SYMPHONY OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "LE", "name": "TBA" },
      { "value": "PN", "name": "TBA" },
      { "value": "TR", "name": "TBA OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "PG", "name": "TBD" },
      { "value": "LM", "name": "TEST SHIP" },
      { "value": "UT", "name": "UTOPIA OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "VS", "name": "VIKING SERENADE" },
      { "value": "VI", "name": "VISION OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "VY", "name": "VOYAGER OF THE SEAS" },
      { "value": "WN", "name": "WONDER OF THE SEAS" }
    ]

     

    13 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

    "LE" is listed as a TBD Oasis ship.

     

               {
                    "brand": "R",
                    "buildLocation": "TBA",
                    "classificationCode": "OA",
             
                    "shipCode": "LE",
                    "status": "I",
                    "statusEffectiveDate": "20191030T000000",
                    "wifiNetworkId": "Royal-Wifi",
                    "currentSailDate": ""
                },

     

     

    "TR" is listed as a TBD Icon ship

                {
                    "brand": "R",
                    "buildLocation": "TBA",
                    "classificationCode": "IC",
                    "numberOfCrewMembers": 2500,
                    "diningCapacity": 4000,
                    "excaliburEnabled": false,
                    "grossTonnage": "250800",
                    "informationTechnologyFlag": "",
                    "length": "1200 FT",
                    "maximumSpeed": "23 KN",
                    "name": "TBA OF THE SEAS",
                    "numberOfRooms": 3000,
                    "registeredPlace": "",
                    "shipCode": "TR",
                    "status": "I",
                    "wifiNetworkId": "Royal-Wifi",
                    "currentSailDate": ""
                },

     

    PN is listed as a future Celebrity Edge class ship.
    PG looks like an obsolete Pullmantur ship

    LM is listed as a test ship for Celebrity Millenium class.

    https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=74508865&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch

    Legend of the Seas has been Registered and is now Live for Royal Caribbean...

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    Is Royal Caribbean building any small ships?

    in Royal Caribbean International

    Posted

    34 minutes ago, Fairsky84 said:

    I think RCI has two goals that exist in tension with each other:

    1. Replace the aging ships in the fleet with new tonnage that can still service smaller homeports (Tampa, Jacksonville, Baltimore, etc) and more exotic itineraries (Asia, Mid-East, world cruises, etc.).

    2. Make these new ships as large as possible to provide more signature "wow" features, increase revenues, and maximize the economies of scale. 

    I'm guessing the balance of these two goals will result in the Discovery-class being about 130,000 to 150,000 tons... or about Voyager size. I seriously doubt RCI will ever build another ship for the Royal Caribbean brand that is under 100,000 tons. 

    This is exactly what I have been told. As much as Royal Caribbean want to replace the older-ships in the fleet, size brings MORE! 

    From what I have been told is Voyager/Freedom size, with LNG-Hybrid propulsion...

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    Everything.. Norwegian Aqua / Prima class #3

    in Norwegian Cruise Line

    Posted · Edited by Nathan Graveson

    🚨NEW SHIPS: Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Announces Record Cruise Ship Order For Its Three Cruise Brands

    Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings (NCLH) and Fincantieri announce agreement for eight cruise ships to be delivered to NCL, Oceania Cruises and Regent Seven Seas.

    Four of these will be destined for Norwegian Cruise Line and delivered between 2030 and 2036 and will have capacity for up to 5,000 passengers and inaugurate a new class of NCL ships.

    Two will be delivered to Oceania Cruises between 2027 and 2029 and will be derived from the Allura Class ships, and finally two will be delivered to Regent Seven Seas in 2026 and 2029 and will surpass the Explorer Class ships in luxury.

    Additionally, NCLH hopes to build a new pier at Great Stirrup Cay, its private destination in the Bahamas, to accommodate its new ships.

    The order is still in the financing process and should be confirmed soon, the ships are also in the design phase and may be cancelled or new orders being added.

     

    Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Press Release - 

    2024-04-08_Norwegian_Cruise_Line_Holdings_Unveils_Bold_New_590.pdf

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    New Vessel ordered for the Carnival Group with Fincantieri.

    in Carnival Cruise Lines

    Posted

    Hi all,

     

    I want to cover a few things I have been thinking about after I found out about this news the other day...

    I must say, these are my personal opinions, I do have mixed feelings when it comes to Carnival Corp, both in good and bad ways, but that's besides the point.

     

    Now, firstly, the shipyard... It must be said that Fincantieri are not a BAD shipyard by any means, however, they lack the experience of building larger, 200,000+ gross ton vessels, something only 2 shipyards in the world have mastered, that being Chantiers De L'Atlantique (Oasis-Class and World-Class) in St. Nazaire, France and Meyer Turku (First 2 Oasis-Class vessels, Excel-Class & Icon-Class) in Turku, Finland. This means that Fincantieri simply do not have either the space/facilities to construct them over that size, or they like to overcomplicate the designs, making it difficult to construct anyways.

     

    Then, we have to look back at the failed Pinnacle-Project of the 2000s. A project as ambitious as ever, but was lost to the financial issues facing the Euro currency trade. From what I have though about, we could very well see a new design inspired by that project, with the large promenade deck that wraps around the whole ship above the lifeboat deck, to the top-deck attractions - which it must be said a new, longer version of Bolt would be installed. Also, talking of the Pinnacle-Project, we need to cover size... cause it matters.

     

    208,000 gross tons is what is being reported here. That so happens to be the exact same tonnage of the new Disney Adventure (formerly Global Dream), but no, its not a coincidence. Also mentioned in one of the articles is that this new ship class will be based on Princess Cruises new Prototype ships, the Sphere-Class, which is 180,000 gross tons. What we can expect from this ship is for it to carry much of the same hull design - only enlarged and modified to meet the demands of the increase in tonnage on the main superstructure. No, there won't be a large sphere in the middle, however we can expect a large ocean-view window on each side of the superstructure.

     

    Then the competition. Icon of the Seas, is the comparison most people are making, but remember, Royal can do anything and do it well, Carnival can't. Royal could build a 300,000 gross ton vessel any day and it wouldn't even shock us cause they know how to perfect a product, again, Carnival just can't. If Carnival really want to shock the industry, they are gonna have to really push themselves to be bold and different cause the Excel-Class played it safe, nearly identical across the four brands that got them, only few changes. So whatever this new ship class is, it better be different and unique, or else Carnival will fall flat on their faces and Royal will coast on with the majority Market Share....

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