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  1. but would meemaw , after she contracts it from her children after they went on this cruise? (And there would still be breakouts unless you dont think people get the virus under the age of 60. They get it and some show symptoms... they just usually dont die. there would be outbreaks regardless)
  2. not if done right MANY MANY countries have FIRST gotten the curve down and then managed the outbreaks. NY has NOT gotten spikes. If you followed the CDC and government guidelines , you could manage the spikes with contact tracing but not if its still out of hand what they have in common is that they didnt follow the guidelines
  3. maybe you need to read this https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836 We understand that some people are citing our Perspective article (published on April 1 at NEJM.org)1 as support for discrediting widespread masking. In truth, the intent of our article was to push for more masking, not less. It is apparent that many people with SARS-CoV-2 infection are asymptomatic or presymptomatic yet highly contagious and that these people account for a substantial fraction of all transmissions.2,3 Universal masking helps to prevent such people from spreading virus-laden secretions, whether they recognize that they are infected or not.4
  4. then explain why florida went from 4% - 20% infection rate
  5. California did NOT follow the CDC and government guidelines on when to open which included 14 consecutive days of downward movement in cases and other qualifications they opened too soon
  6. lets look at the charts... May 15: DeSantis announces that on May 18, Florida will enter what he calls “full phase one” of reopening. That includes allowing gyms and restaurants to operate at 50% capacity. June 3: DeSantis announces that Florida will enter phase two of reopening starting June 5. That means bars, tattoo parlors and other establishments will be able to reopen
  7. they opened too soon. that is the most obvious answer. Just like Texas. You cant control this virus when you have too many cases and you open up everything. Thats why NY is handling it with more testing... They got the numbers down and followed the CDC and government guidelines and it worked. I wish all states followed the CDC and government guidelines
  8. for anyone thinking more testing means more cases.. here is NY stats to prove that wrong. A picture is worth a thousand words. Done right... more tests means LESS positive cases
  9. if testing was the cause , then the amount of people go up but the percentages stay the same. Florida for example had 4% rate for a while before opening up and when they did more testing I think they are at or close to 20%.. thats not due to testing. thats a higher infection rate. science proves that out easily and deaths lag behind so lets just wait.. first there is a spike in cases, then a few weeks later is a spike in hospitalizations then a few weeks later a spike in ICU and finally a few weeks later, a spike in deaths... we will see if deaths are lower very very shortly. everything else is following the scientific pattern
  10. wow... almost 2 months ago... its like science or something...
  11. I totally disagree. There was a plan in NY and they stuck to the Government and CDC guidelines. Texas and Florida did not so this spike was preventable.
  12. Hospitalizations always lag a few weeks behind the positive cases, deaths follow a few weeks after... Hospitalizations are on the rise in Florida as expected https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-corovnavirus-record-numbers-hospitalizations-20200626-p5335ddw45f7xdlxiaezqzgjha-story.html COVID-19 hospitalizations in Central Florida are rising in line with the increasing number of cases. As of Thursday, 185 patients with COVID-19 were hospitalized in Orange County hospitals. That’s 50 more cases than June 21, and 112 more than June 15, according to the latest available data from the Florida Department of Health. The county reached a low of 27 hospitalized patients on May 10. Of the 185 patients, 31 are in intensive care units. we can debate and debate and debate but this virus will march on... First positive cases, then hospitalizations followed by deaths
  13. and to get back to cruising...as long as the positive cases are high, there will NEVER be cruising. forget deaths, forget hospitalizations... if the amount of positive cases do not reduce tremendously, there will not be cruising the in the US So for the purposes of cruising... Positive cases matter
  14. I never say most death. dont put words in my mouth please. I was referring to positive cases and while some people believe positive cases are nothing, I dont believe this is true. what an odd thing to do to put words in people mouths that they never said.. you are right... facts do matter my friend and the fact is, I never said deaths
  15. This is as clear a picture showing testing is NOT the cause of the recent spike in Florida http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/action/report_archive/state/state_reports_latest.pdf Florida Department of Health website https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/#latest-stats Last 2 weeks of testing (besides yesterday there is NO clear increase in testing in the last 2 weeks) More proof? Here is the breakdown between the number of cases and the positive results. If the theory of testing causes more positive results, the chart should show about the same percentage of infected but that would amount to more cases since there is more testing.. This does NOT show this Here is what I see 06/11 - 06/17 234,683 tests 21,186 positive tests 9% positive rate 06/18 - 06/24 244,976 tests 32,345 positive tests 13% positive rate. If it was just testing, the percentages would be the same. the positive rate has gone up 5%. Also, there is a huge jump yesterday that gave 06/18 - 06/24 more tests. if they did the same amount as the other days, the amount of tests would be LOWER for the last 7 days. they are not increasing testing... and testing is NOT the reason for more positive cases. this is 100% proof by the Florida Department of Health
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