littlesteelo

I would stick with what I know and use CPS. I don't want to risk anything going wrong on embarkation/debarkation day.

That is actually rust which has dripped down from the anchor, and most would clean off without actually painting it.

Looking at this photo here: taken on March 26th, it looks like it has been pretty bad for a while. They could do with getting the pressure washers out. That's what they were doing on Independence of the Seas when I sailed. They were washing all the marine growth off just above the waterline.

Hey guys, I don't know if this has been posted before, but the P&O Cruises website has pictures of all the obstructed views and aft beam cabins on Ventura and Azura, which are identical to the Crown class (Crown, Emerald, Ruby). Here are the links:

 

https://ask.pocruises.com/help/PO/fleet/VE_obs

https://ask.pocruises.com/help/PO/fleet/Azura_obs

 

If one link doesn't have your cabin, the other link will. :)

EDIT: Keep in mind that Azura has balconies instead of window cabins on E deck forward, so don't be confused by that. Ventura has window cabins.

Hey guys, I don't know if this has been posted before, but the P&O Cruises website has pictures of all the obstructed views and aft beam cabins on Ventura and Azura, which are identical to the Crown class (Crown, Emerald, Ruby). Here are the links:

https://ask.pocruises.com/help/PO/fleet/VE_obs

https://ask.pocruises.com/help/PO/fleet/Azura_obs

If one link doesn't have your cabin, the other link will. :)

copying celebrity cruise lines ship portfolio so nothing new

 

http://www.celebritycruises.co.uk/ships/solstice-class/celebrity-eclipse/

There is very little to differentiate cruise ships. The only company which actually puts any innovation into their designs is RCCL. That explains why the Solstice Class ships of Celebrity are so beautiful inside and outside.

As much as Royal looks nice, I find it underwhelming. It is large, but there are no 'large' spaces on it. Still single deck dining rooms, still the small two deck theater, still the pathetic 3 deck atrium. They should have extended the piazza up to to the top, perhaps added a nice two level dining room. Check out the MDR on the Solstice. It is stunning. I know people say that large atriums are a waste of space, but what else would the space be filled with? Cabins and more passengers, that's what.

There is nothing which makes me want to go on this ship above any of the Grand Class ships. In fact, looking at those deck plans, it looks like they have based most of it off of the Grand class. Right down to the confusing and stupidly placed aft dining room. That could have been easily solved by moving the galley right to the back of the ship, and merging the two dining rooms on Deck 6.

I'm tired of the flaming of people with different opinions on these threads. After all, they are not facts, not history, just opinions. I don't think some one is wrong if they disagree with me. Their opinion is just as valid for them as mine is for me.

 

My interest in the Concordia is to prevent more lives lost in the future. The newer and safer the better.

 

Whatever happens to the SS United States should depend on how many wallet votes are cast. I could care less either way.

 

John

I agree. We all have our opinions, and everybody is entitled to them.

To my thoughts to the topic, I think the history of a ship is irrelevant. The fact remains that hard work has gone into producing this ship, and there are those (such as myself) who find it sad that it has gone to waste with this disaster. It may not be a grand old ocean liner with an illustrious past, but it is a ship nonetheless.

Also, newer doesn't necessarily mean safer in this case. Concordia is only 6 years old, and the Costa Fascinosa, in the same class which is being built currently will be made to the same safety standards as Concordia was 6 years ago.

Hot off the (Facebook) press... from John Heald...

 

I was asked by Keith about Costa Concordia and I owe him an apology because he is correct.... sort of.

I heard from a very senior beard that Costa Concordia is a constructive total loss.

So, Carnival Corporation will receive the insurance proceeds and underwriters will dispose of her.

I think it is quite sad if this plays out to be true. Any ship at the breakers is a sad sight, but one as new and as big as Concordia being scrapped is a strange thing to imagine. She would have had decades of good service still to go.

I would imagine those who worked on her at Fincantieri would be sad to see their hard work go to waste.

For Grand Class ships:

Grand, Golden, Star, Diamond, Sapphire - The deck above the bridge is accessible by walking forward on deck 15 (deck above the lido deck).

Caribbean, Crown, Emerald, Ruby - Get to this deck by going to the very front of Deck 15 (lido deck), there should be a door, which sometimes is locked in bad weather. This leads to the deck above the bridge.

I am not being harsh, I am stating fact, I stated that the ship was azipod and that it turned quicker, if I hadnt of posted that then it might not have been picked up by those without any maritime/nautical knowledge.

 

Do you want me not to point out 'inaccuracies'

 

regards

If you read earlier, after VP posted the image, I pointed the fact it was not a Vista class, and Concordia did not have pods. VP the confirmed that they knew this and said that the power systems are actually similar, which they are. While that was not clear by any means in VP's initial post, it certainly was in their response to my comment.

What was unnecessary was the quite nasty comments afterwards, such as this from yourself:

You are joking arent you? There is a total difference between azimuth and standard propulsion. With Azi's you dont need rudders and the turning cycle is greatly improved upon standard propulsion.

The members on here would like to know what happened to the Costa concordia and it does little to get to the facts when you cloud it with 'mis-information whilst trying to score or make snide remarks about others.

That was completely uncalled for. VP was not trying to 'score' or make 'snide remarks', they were simply trying to add an interesting piece of information to the discussion.

I feel that you dont have a need to apologise, it is through his own words that he has implied various information regarding the Costa Concordia, i.e. why bring up azipods when its a basic propellored system, why bring up vista class when it wasnt.

 

Not stand your ground, he has been adding mis-leading information at a time when it is not needed.

 

regards

:)

I think you are being harsh. Vampire Parrot posted a power system from a Vista class ship, I brought up the fact that Concordia isn't, and they acknowledged that they knew that. All they were trying to do was show an example of a cruise ship power system. It may have been misleading, but there is no need for the quite frankly rude comments Vampire Parrot has received.

Regarding the original point, the power system for traditional propulsion and pod based propulsion is actually similar. There are different power requirements, but they both involve power going to two areas, whether it be the two azipods or two traditional propulsion motors. Also, the bow thrusters on cruise ships come from the main generators, as does the power for the main propellers.

Yes, I do know that Concordia is not a Vista-class ship. As far as propulsion goes, it's not too different.... instead of power going from the two main power buses to azipods, it goes to inboard motors. For Concordia I'd expect the motors to draw somewhere between 18MW and 22MW each.

 

I'd be surprised if power to the bow thrusters is significantly different on Concordia to Vista-class ships. Three bow thrusters on each; not really enough power on a Vista ship but it'll do. (I'd really like 8MW to 10MW of bow thrust). Anyway - the bow thrusters on a Vista ship are 3x 1.8MW, variable pitch, probably the same on Concordia. They can be run at low power; set zero thrust, the pitch is small and they don't draw much power. But push the bow thruster lever left or right... and you will be demanding 5MW. Too much for a little genny.

 

VP

Yes, I agree that there is no way there would be separate generators for the bow thrusters, and emergency power will cut out everything but communication and emergency lighting. I think the most plausible explanation is that the captain dropped the anchor to swing the ship 180 degrees.

As promised, a picture showing how electrical power is distributed to the various electrical buses on a Vista-class cruise ship.

 

The six main diesel generators power the 11KV bus, XA872A and XA872B

 

Transformers power the 690V buses XA872C, XA872D, XA873A, XA873C from the 11KV buses. The 11KV bus cannot be powered from the 690V buses.

 

The EDG (Emergency Diesel Generator) at the top right only powers the 690V buses. If it's the only generator running then the 11KV bus will not be powered. It can power the main 690V buses via breakers 909, 309 and 410.

 

http://pictures.cruisecritic.com/showphoto.php?photo=23370

 

The next picture shows how the propulsion units are powered.

 

The azipods and bow thrusters BT1, BT2, BT3 are powered from the 11KV buses. The azipods also take power from the 690V buses for the exciters.

 

Each bow thruster can draw up to 1.9MW. Each azipod can draw 17.6MW.

 

http://pictures.cruisecritic.com/showphoto.php?photo=23371

 

VP

You do know Concordia is not a Vista class ship. The Concordia class is a derivative of the Destiny class Carnival ships, completely different to the Vista class. Concordia does not have Azipods.

The compasses are prepared and printed on board, along with other information sheets. So no, you can't get one in advance.

Here you go, just fill out this form, usually it take one or two days for it to be answered. They are good too, they literally will be able to answer the most obscure questions. The link actually appears when you go to the 'how can we help' page on the right hand side, but disappears after a split second for some reason.

https://ask.pocruises.com/help/PO/contact_us/

I don't know if it would help anyone, but P&O have pictures of most of the obstructed views on Ventura and Azura, which have pretty much identical cabin layouts as Crown, Emerald and Ruby.

Here is the Ventura link: https://ask.pocruises.com/help/PO/fleet/VE_obs

If you can't find the cabin on there, try Azura: https://ask.pocruises.com/help/PO/fleet/Azura_obs

Did you feel overlooked from the pool deck on Azura?

Was just about to say the same. You could have a nice little conversation with the people looking at you on your balcony :D