jstraw20

Don't leave for me!!! I agree with everything you said. I just wish others here agreed. Stay and help me. I can't hold off the ANTZ myself!

Yes Silverman please stay!

wingatesl, I'm not going anywhere either :)

I've asked more than once, but you continue to ignore the question. If no one cranks the voltage up, then why do manufacturers spend more money making - and users spend more money buying - variable voltage devices which are designed to be able to crank up the voltage to those levels? I'm still waiting to hear the reasoning behind that.

Because voltage is only part of the equation. The amount of voltage needed to raise the temperature of the coils to the desired temperature is related to the coil's resistance. Some vapers prefer multiple coil setups which require that amount of voltage to produce the temperature needed to vaporize the e-liquid. This is an advanced type of system and isn't used by many, but you did ask so there is your answer.

The vast majority of users do not utilize such systems and tend to run their rigs anywhere from 3.6 to 4.2 volts. But irregardless of the system, the temperatures required to produce the high levels of formaldehyde would result in three possible outcomes:

1) The coils would quickly fail due to being over-driven

2) If robust enough coils where used, they would likely overrun the rest of the system's ability to supply liquid to the coils, resulting in a "dry hit".

3) If the system were robust enough to supply adequate fluid, the fluid would be burned instead of vaporized. This would taste absolutely awful and the user would immediately reduce the voltage before using it again.

So in order to produce the study's results, we have to barge our way past 2 ifs, all to produce something that would taste nasty. Therein lies the problem with this particular study.

The study correctly pointed out that vaping at high temperatures (typically requiring voltages high than 5 volts) can create formaldehyde. The followup articles engaged in sensationalist rhetoric. It would be the same as stating that all cars are deadly because if you floor the accelerator with your eyes closed you'll crash into something.

At no point did I mention any third person articles, I sought a link back to the source study itself and another poster kindly provided one.

The only link I posted was to a recent study done by the AHA. I guess they are now considered mouth pieces for the e-cig industry:rolleyes:

Any other points made by me are my own own, based on my personal experience and those of other users of e-cigs that I know. I don't "parrot" for any industry and I find that accusation to be completely baseless and insulting.

You can continue to attempt to vilify me until the thread gets locked but I'm not the one engaging in sensationalism here.

Just a matter of time until the ecigs are subject to heavy regulation, for reasons that include: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069

Again with this "study"

All e cig users following this thread please respond if you vape at 5 volts or higher.

Cue the crickets.

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FAA warns of fire danger caused by e-cigarettes on planes

 

This may be the game changer for all cruise lines... just a thought...

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/faa-warns-of-fire-danger-caused-by-e-cigarettes-on-planes/ar-AA8wPEj

The article states that they can pose a hazard if placed in checked luggage and from here on the airlines should demand they only be placed in carry-ons. This stems from an incident caused by an idiot not locking out his device's battery.

A simple sensible policy adjustment, far from a game changer.

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You need to do some research. Most recent findings indicate formaldehyde contaminant in e-cigs.

 

 

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It's only been a few days and this has already been exposed as more cherry picked data. The formaldehyde was produced when the voltage was increased to over 5 volts. This would taste so awful that nobody would ever actually do it.

I'm trying to locate a link to the actual study rather than linking to a blog or third person article...

The problem is there are two layers of proof involved here. Most e-cig users (if they are realistic about it) will admit that it's highly doubtful that e-cigs are completely harmless to the user. Lungs are meant to breathe clean air and nothing else.

The tricky part comes with "second hand vapor". There is study after study that concludes that there is little to no risk to second hand vapor exposure, yet in my opinion there will never, ever be a study that concludes that there is zero risk. There have been numerous attempts to quantify that risk but the reality is that study after study has had to qualify the validity of their results due to contamination of the air in the laboratory, contamination of the lab equipment, etc. That's how small the percentage of "contaminants" are.

IMO e-cigs are simply too much of a hot topic and we'll never get past the preconceptions that people bring to the subject. It's a shame.

E-cig vapor is not just "water vapor." It contains many chemicals, including high levels of toxic metals, and we don't yet know the effects of that. I do not wish to be exposed to that, and don't think it should be permitted in public spaces.

Agreed.....well said.

The problem is this isn't well said. While it is correct that e-cig vapor isn't just water vapor, and sadly too many users of e-cigs still put forth this false statement.

However, stating that e-cig vapor contains high levels of toxic metals is also a false statement. One study from 2 years ago found *trace* levels of toxic metals in 2 brands of Chinese e-cigs that are no longer manufactured, and was caused by poor manufacturing processes of the e-cigs themselves, not the e-liquid. The myriad other brands tested in this same study yielded no toxic metal at all, yet this little detail is always conveniently left out.

On the other side of the coin, the American Heart Association found that current research indicates that e-cigs are indeed less harmful than regular cigarettes:

"E-cigarettes either do not contain or have lower levels of several tobacco-derived harmful and potentially harmful constituents compared with cigarettes and smokeless tobacco," it states. E-cigarettes also "present an opportunity for harm reduction if smokers use them as substitutes for cigarettes."

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/22/CIR.0000000000000107.full.pdf

has devinly decadence changed to complimentary ?

Check the post right above yours.;)

Stop blocking the Royal Promenade with those tables loaded with trinkets for sale. I am always amazed by the hordes who think that they are getting treasures.

 

Either make the shops larger, or move the trinket sales to an unused lounge, like they do with the art sales.

This is a terrific idea although I have to admit that I buy a $10 watch every cruise. They last just long enough to make it to the next one.

I'm not surprised that some are being labelled as cheerleaders or sellouts after days and days of people who weren't happy with their experience being called whiners, negative nellies, etc. It's natural to become defensive when your beliefs are challenged.

Why can't we all just get along? :D

but not what you said in your previous post....:rolleyes:

But fairly easy to infer...:rolleyes:

Lol well I guess that settles that.

Not.

I don't know what to make of this entire thread. Based on the reviews so far it would seem that the Grande is the most consistently highly rated complimentary restaurant on the ship, has the most repeat customers, and that based on the pictures I've seen nobody is having an issue tossing a jacket on for dinner.

With all of the hype surrounding DD it's interesting that a lot of people seem to be flocking towards the restaurant that is the most similar to a traditional mdr. Not passing judgement on jackets or DD here, just an observation.

DD is the way of the future and way more profitable for Royal.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!!!

Forget about the mdr being "old fashioned", forget about pitting generations against each other because people's tastes do indeed change over time.

Ultimately DD provides RCCL with the opportunity to add more "value added" restaurants to the ships and increases the likelihood of passengers utilizing them.

Lot's of whining from both sides of the coin. Personally, I hope I never have to share a ship with any of you.

How can fettuccini not have Alfredo sauce/?

Alfredo.. sounds kind of... fancy. :cool:

We're 0 for 2 on Coco Cay, 0 for 1 on Labadee. Someday....

I think the main reason Cats had such a long run on Broadway was because it didn't require a good grasp of the English language to enjoy. The plot is paper thin (not a slam here, just a statement) and the emphasis was on spectacle. This made it a perfect show for families with young children and non-english speaking tourists and also makes it a good candidate for cruise ships.

Here it comes...

Posted to FB a few minutes ago:

"I'm on-board Explorer now. Yes, the ship was struck by what the Captain called a 'rouge wave' early this morning. He indicated that the wave was in excess of 10 meters. Struck the port side. One of the lifeboats (I believe it was Muster Station #20 or #21) was partially dislodged, fell, struck the outside promenade deck (Deck 4) and was damaged. Additionally, water came in the doors near the aft elevators, washed across the interior of Deck 4, drained down the elevator shaft areas and caused a disruption of the aft elevators. They were shut down for repairs, but are back on line at this time. No one was injured, but those passengers assigned to that lifeboat will be assigned to a different boat. Captain said there was no cause for alarm regarding lifeboats, as the ship is registered to hold over 3,800 guests and there currently less than 3,100 on-board.

Very rough night at sea last night, lots of 'rocking' and rolling', but seas are much calmer now and the ship is getting back to smooth sailing."

The sun is up and it's still sounds like it's blowing hard. I wonder where all the boats that are usually in the marina are...

I can confirm that the outdoor smoking areas on Explorer are on the starboard side, decks 4,11, and 12.

jstraw20: WOW the visual was great. Was that from your cruise in Sept.?

I shot that last year on our way back from the Bahamas.