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7 hours ago, Fredric22 said:

 Because they are testing all guests, there will most likely be more of these "breakthrough cases" than we would find in the real world. 

Yeah, if you test enough vaccinated people enough times, you’re going to get positive asymptomatic cases. The cruise lines need to be pushing for fully vaccinated (really fully vaccinated) cruises and less testing or these kind of largely insignificant events are going to continue to happen and then be blown all out of proportion by the media.   

6 minutes ago, marieps said:

This has been bugging me for a while.  If I test positive but am asymptomatic, would it not be more proper to label my condition SARS-CoV-2 positive rather than COVID positive?  Just like the millions who've been HIV positive, but not suffering from AIDS.  The D in COVID stands for disease.  If I'm not sick, yet positive, where's the disease?  Please don't flame me....just asking.

Definitely correct but most people don’t distinguish between the virus and the disease caused by it. 

2 minutes ago, mom says said:

Well apparently there is a need to test, since 2 people so far are positive. Do you need to be reminded that you can still get COVID, and spread it, even though you've been vaccinated? 

 

You sound like the former dear leader who complained that  the pandemic nuumbers wouldn't be so bad if people just didn't get tested.

The likelihood of an asymptomatic vaccinated person spreading covid to another vaccinated person is so low as to not even be worth thinking about. 

1 minute ago, ipeeinthepool said:

So how did they get tested?  If you are vaccinated there shouldn’t be a need to test.  Was this the test that they perform in order to get off the ship?

 

Yes, it was the end of cruise test. 
 

One issue here is too much testing. There’s no need to test vaccinated people who aren’t showing any symptoms. 

Total waste of time and resources to test vaccinated passengers and completely inappropriate to add a new requirement 48 hours before sailing. 

35 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

I'm sorry that it took a global pandemic, but eliminating self service buffets is a good thing.  There are just too many people without manners.

I doubt they're gone forever.  

11 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

So this tells me it'll be a long, long time before the CDC allows them to cruise.

That's what I see here as well.

20 minutes ago, PCHENG said:

 

Just to give an example of how piss poor the vaccination effort is in the Philadelphia suburbs, this is from a news article yesterday:

 

"And in Montgomery County, a spokeswoman says starting Tuesday, they will receive 5,850 doses each week for the next four weeks, a slight increase from the 4,680 they were receiving. They expect four to five months before all those in 1A are vaccinated".

 

For context, Montgomery county has a population of 830k.  

Four to five months for the very first group?  That's absurd.  Are residents limited to receiving the vaccine only in the county in which they live?  Down here in NC, it's a free-for-all, so people are traveling all over the state to get vaccinated (though I lucked into one five minutes from my house).

18 hours ago, MrCoachRentz said:

With everyone being vaccinated, don't think it's going to be a big deal.

 

This.  By the time ships are back in large-scale operation, people will be widely vaccinated (perhaps 100% on ships) so there will be no need for plexiglass, masks, etc.

I don't think cruiselines are going to be quick to relax rules, even if COVID has largely receded and most people are vaccinated.  Too much potential bad press and liability.  

I think mask requirements and other similar rules will last well into 2022.  

While no one knows the exact form a "vaccine passport" is going to ultimately take, it's almost beyond question that some form of documentation of vaccination is going to be required to do most any kind of travel by the end of this year.  

No doubt these emails are automated, but maybe 11 months into the pandemic it's time to manually turn the automation off?

Or is Royal actually still making money off people buying pre-sale purchases right now?  Surely no one is silly enough to be giving Royal money for a cruise any time in the next 6 months.  

7 hours ago, zitsky said:

The question is how do we social distance after everyone on board has a shot.

Hopefully, we don't have to, because vaccines are mandatory to cruise and overall cases have come down to very low levels.

I don't understand CWC to be going away, at least not for existing bookings.  As far as I can see on the Celebrity website CWC continues in effect for sailings booked by January 31, 2021 and with departure dates through May 4, 2022.

1 minute ago, Ourusualbeach said:

My feeling is that if ships resume sailing they will no longer extend the lift and shift option. 

Probably right though I doubt by July they’ll be anywhere near all ships sailing. Hoping not to have to wait for mine to be canceled. 

January 2022 could be a possibility for a return to some degree of normalcy. By then everyone who wants the vaccine should have it and the cruise lines will have given plenty of notice that vaccination is required. 

Wonder when they’ll extend it again...

I have a July cruise that I’d strongly consider moving to 2022 at this point. 

I could see “normalcy” returning to cruising on July 1, 2022. 

They’re probably done as official events. If they come back, it won’t be in 2021. 

Kind of a moot point unfortunately, as this cruise is going to be canceled to comply with the CDC sailing rules.  

But I think we're all going to be shocked by what cruise fares look like in late 2021 and beyond.

The cruise lines are struggling to stay afloat (pun intended).  X's changes to the Captain's Club are just one sign of what's to come.  We all have higher prices and diminished offerings to look forward to. 

I would suspect that the airport or cars to/from the airport are far more likely sites of infection than the flight itself.  

16 minutes ago, compman9 said:

Unless I am reading it wrong, these are now among the worst loyalty perks at sea.

To be fair, give the other lines some time.  I suspect X isn't going to be the last brand to devalue its loyalty program coming out of the pandemic.

They've been out of business for nearly nine months and may not be back in full operation for another year.  They aren't going to be enhancing anything.  Cuts and price increases are the name of the game as the lines try to stay in business.

2 hours ago, molly361 said:

It looks like everyone is going to get tested on the day they arrive and the last day when they get off the ship

Wonder where everyone will sit (appropriately physically distanced) while waiting for results?