Buying under age child alcohol

[nrdsb4]

A prime example of Government By Extortion.

 

 

I'm afraid you are right about that. Government is getting more and more involved in our lives every day, it seems. The frightening thing is that a lot of people seem just fine with that.:(

 

Back on topic: People love to state that Carnival can and will eject you for giving alcohol to an adult who is between the ages of 18-20. However, I've never once heard of that happening to anyone who is not intoxicated or causing any problems. I wish someone would post a link to a thread where someone describes their own experience of buying a drink or two for an adult child, causing no problems, yet being "thrown off the ship at the next port."

[CRAZY CANADIANS]

[LorrieB]

Page down to Ohio....the OP is right.

 

http://www.youthrights.org/dastatelist.php

Don't you just love a good smack-down!!!!!! :D

[missy1190]

I just recently went to a friends wedding on a cruise so we were on there for a good 5-6 hours. I had my fiance (at the time) go to the bar and order two drinks. We didint have any problems. We are now married and are going on our honeymoon on carnival ecstacy tomorrow and are pretty confident he will again just be able to buy me a drink. I will post after our trip!

[dan40]

I just recently went to a friends wedding on a cruise so we were on there for a good 5-6 hours. I had my fiance (at the time) go to the bar and order two drinks. We didint have any problems. We are now married and are going on our honeymoon on carnival ecstacy tomorrow and are pretty confident he will again just be able to buy me a drink. I will post after our trip!

 

 

Assuming your fiance is over 21, he will not have any problem buying you a drink. However should you become drunk and disorderly, both you and he could be put off the ship at the next port, wherever it is, with no compensation. Unlikely as that is to happen, those are the rules and it has happened.

[going2cruz]

Page down to Ohio....the OP is right.

 

http://www.youthrights.org/dastatelist.php

 

 

This ink is full of bad information...............I know the law in Maryland and its not correct here. In most states it is legal for the parent to allow it for their sons and daughters in certain circumstances.

[nrdsb4]

This ink is full of bad information...............I know the law in Maryland and its not correct here. In most states it is legal for the parent to allow it for their sons and daughters in certain circumstances.

 

I don't care for that web site, either. In many instances, the author states "I couldn't find the laws referring to xyz."

 

The APIS site is the best one I have found regarding the various states drinking laws. Even so, it may not be infallible as laws do change from time to time.

 

http://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/State_Profiles_of_Underage_Drinking_Laws.html

[thundercat1]

Ohio

- No one under the age of 21 is allowed to possess or consume any alcohol in any public or private place, unless the underage person is accompanied by a parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian. Also anyone under the age of 18 is not allowed to possess or consume any low-alcohol beverage in any public or private place, unless accompanied by a parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian. The limit of intoxication to drive a vehicle for someone under 21 years of age is a concentration of at least two-hundredths of one gram but less than ten-hundredths of one gram by weight of alcohol per two hundred ten liters of the person's breath. For everyone 21 years of age or more it's concentration of ten-hundredths of one per cent or more but less than seventeen-hundredths of one per cent by weight of alcohol in the person's blood.

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[pafam4]

It's all McNabb's fault.

 

That's the funniest thing I've hear all weekend!! LOL!!

[DC Caps]

It's like here in Virginia, there is no open container state law pertaining to passengers in the car as long as the driver can't reach it or access it. So I guess you could be in the backseat sippin a brewski next to the fuzz. However some counties might have local laws against it. But I'm guessing the cops would still pull you over and have other options to make your life miserable, like drunk in public and so forth. As to the OP's question I personally don't have a problem with you buying for someone underage like an 18 year old but I would with a 15 or 16 year old. Don't have a rational reason why that's just how I feel.

[joge107]

Can I buy beer for my 18 years old son on the ship? I know here in Ohio it is legal for parent, guardian or spouce of legal age to by it for them. Please no negative responses about this being wrong. Please keep opinions to yourself.

no.

[JonnyCruiser]

Yeah - that'll help the cruise line profits - throwing families off the ship. I wonder if that was a threat or they would really do it?

 

There are many threads here (a few just in the last couple of days) concerning individuals and entire groups of people being "thrown off the ship" for various infractions.

 

The cruise line is responsible for the safety of all guests and also for ensuring that relevant laws are enforced. Better to thrown a few people off the ship then to risk huge fines or lawsuits. Not to mention bad press.

[madge57]

Sorry to drop this bomb but it is NOT legal to serve anyone under 21 alcohol of any kind!!! A parent can not buy a drink for their minor child any where or any place. Only place is at home and then you better be careful!! sorry to spoil your fun!!! If I repeated this information its because I didn't read through all the post

[PhoenixCruiser]

Sorry to drop this bomb but it is NOT legal to serve anyone under 21 alcohol of any kind!!! A parent can not buy a drink for their minor child any where or any place. Only place is at home and then you better be careful!! sorry to spoil your fun!!! If I repeated this information its because I didn't read through all the post

 

Actually you should have read more posts as it is legal in several states :confused:

 

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[JonnyCruiser]

...In Europe the age is MUCH lower.......

 

And if you followed the news, you would know that many European countries have huge problems with public drunkeness amongst young people. England and Italy come to mind...

[madge57]

Actuallly it is NOT legal in OHIO I don't care about the other states because I live in OHIO and have been involved with the underage drinking issue. I live in a county that is a drinking county so are the ones that border my county so I should know!! so go ahead lcmc give your child a drink and see what happens! As for Carnival its their rule so follow it. No one under 21 that means no beer!!!!!!!!!

[5waldos]

Sorry to drop this bomb but it is NOT legal to serve anyone under 21 alcohol of any kind!!! A parent can not buy a drink for their minor child any where or any place. Only place is at home and then you better be careful!! sorry to spoil your fun!!! If I repeated this information its because I didn't read through all the post

 

You can say this as loudly as you'd like but having consulted the laws of Colorado- as a parent, I can in fact buy my child a drink. You may not like it, but it IS the law.

[5waldos]

PS- my son doesn't like any alcohol so it is not an issue for us but law is law. I could if I so chose.

[5waldos]

PPS- Although I admit few places that sell alcohol realize this so it might be very difficult should I chose to. It is also legal for an 18 year old to work at a restaurant and SERVE alcohol- another surprising finding. Not sure about selling it at a store- didn't think to look that up. Laws are funny- sometimes they really surprise you.

[nrdsb4]

Actuallly it is NOT legal in OHIO I don't care about the other states because I live in OHIO and have been involved with the underage drinking issue. I live in a county that is a drinking county so are the ones that border my county so I should know!! so go ahead lcmc give your child a drink and see what happens! As for Carnival its their rule so follow it. No one under 21 that means no beer!!!!!!!!!

 

Yet another Ohio resident who doesn't know what she's talking about.

 

See below, from your own Ohio revised code:

 

4301.69 Underage persons offenses concerning.

 

(A) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, no person shall sell beer or intoxicating liquor to an underage person, shall buy beer or intoxicating liquor for an underage person, or shall furnish it to an underage person, unless given by a physician in the regular line of the physician’s practice or given for established religious purposes or unless the underage person is supervised by a parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian.

In proceedings before the liquor control commission, no permit holder, or no employee or agent of a permit holder, charged with a violation of this division shall be charged, for the same offense, with a violation of division (A)(1) of section 4301.22 of the Revised Code.

(B) No person who is the owner or occupant of any public or private place shall knowingly allow any underage person to remain in or on the place while possessing or consuming beer or intoxicating liquor, unless the intoxicating liquor or beer is given to the person possessing or consuming it by that person’s parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian and the parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian is present at the time of the person’s possession or consumption of the beer or intoxicating liquor.

An owner of a public or private place is not liable for acts or omissions in violation of this division that are committed by a lessee of that place, unless the owner authorizes or acquiesces in the lessee’s acts or omissions.

© No person shall engage or use accommodations at a hotel, inn, cabin, campground, or restaurant when the person knows or has reason to know either of the following:

(1) That beer or intoxicating liquor will be consumed by an underage person on the premises of the accommodations that the person engages or uses, unless the person engaging or using the accommodations is the spouse of the underage person and is not an underage person, or is the parent or legal guardian of all of the underage persons, who consume beer or intoxicating liquor on the premises and that person is on the premises at all times when beer or intoxicating liquor is being consumed by an underage person;

(2) That a drug of abuse will be consumed on the premises of the accommodations by any person, except a person who obtained the drug of abuse pursuant to a prescription issued by a licensed health professional authorized to prescribe drugs and has the drug of abuse in the original container in which it was dispensed to the person.

(D)(1) No person is required to permit the engagement of accommodations at any hotel, inn, cabin, or campground by an underage person or for an underage person, if the person engaging the accommodations knows or has reason to know that the underage person is intoxicated, or that the underage person possesses any beer or intoxicating liquor and is not supervised by a parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian who is or will be present at all times when the beer or intoxicating liquor is being consumed by the underage person.

(2) No underage person shall knowingly engage or attempt to engage accommodations at any hotel, inn, cabin, or campground by presenting identification that falsely indicates that the underage person is twenty-one years of age or older for the purpose of violating this section.

(E)(1) No underage person shall knowingly order, pay for, share the cost of, attempt to purchase, possess, or consume any beer or intoxicating liquor in any public or private place. No underage person shall knowingly be under the influence of any beer or intoxicating liquor in any public place. The prohibitions set forth in division (E)(1) of this section against an underage person knowingly possessing, consuming, or being under the influence of any beer or intoxicating liquor shall not apply if the underage person is supervised by a parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian, or the beer or intoxicating liquor is given by a physician in the regular line of the physician’s practice or given for established religious purposes.

(2)(a) If a person is charged with violating division (E)(1) of this section in a complaint filed under section 2151.27 of the Revised Code, the court may order the child into a diversion program specified by the court and hold the complaint in abeyance pending successful completion of the diversion program. A child is ineligible to enter into a diversion program under division (E)(2)(a) of this section if the child previously has been diverted pursuant to division (E)(2)(a) of this section. If the child completes the diversion program to the satisfaction of the court, the court shall dismiss the complaint and order the child’s record in the case sealed under sections 2151.356 to 2151.358 of the Revised Code. If the child fails to satisfactorily complete the diversion program, the court shall proceed with the complaint.

(b) If a person is charged in a criminal complaint with violating division (E)(1) of this section, section 2935.36 of the Revised Code shall apply to the offense, except that a person is ineligible for diversion under that section if the person previously has been diverted pursuant to division (E)(2)(a) or (b) of this section. If the person completes the diversion program to the satisfaction of the court, the court shall dismiss the complaint and order the record in the case sealed under section 2953.52 of the Revised Code. If the person fails to satisfactorily complete the diversion program, the court shall proceed with the complaint.

(F) No parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian of a minor shall knowingly permit the minor to violate this section or section 4301.63, 4301.633, or 4301.634 of the Revised Code.

(G) The operator of any hotel, inn, cabin, or campground shall make the provisions of this section available in writing to any person engaging or using accommodations at the hotel, inn, cabin, or campground.

(H) As used in this section:

(1) “Drug of abuse” has the same meaning as in section 3719.011 of the Revised Code.

(2) “Hotel” has the same meaning as in section 3731.01 of the Revised Code.

(3) “Licensed health professional authorized to prescribe drugs” and “prescription” have the same meanings as in section 4729.01 of the Revised Code.

(4) “Minor” means a person under the age of eighteen years.

(5) “Underage person” means a person under the age of twenty-one years.

Effective Date: 10-11-2002; 07-11-2006; 09-21-2006

[DG2004]

Off topic....but I dont think carnival allows it

[cls624]

I live in WI., and yes we have taken our 20 year old daughter out to dinner with us, and she has ordered drinks.:rolleyes:

If a bar/restaurant doesn't want to serve them, they don't have to.

It's their choice.:o

 

However, we had purchased drinks for our daughter on our last cruise.

 

In my opinion, as long as their not getting all drunk and stupid, it's the parents choice. You have the control of how many drinks you purchase for them.

 

Drinking age was 18 for me!:D

[dan40]

Regardless of what you do at restaurants at home, regardless of whatever the rules are in your state or country. On a Carnival ship, the drinking age is 21. ANYONE buying a drink for anyone under 21 is subject to be put off the ship at the next stop. Both the underage drinker and the adult buyer.

That IS the easily understood rule.

 

I'm NOT saying that the rule would be enforced unless the underage drinker causes multiple problems. But the rule does NOT require that their BE a problem, the rule states NO! and it CAN be enforced. Unlikely that it ever would be without the problem happening, but it could be. It HAS been enforced when problems have occurred..

[elcuchio24]

Yet another Ohio resident who doesn't know what she's talking about.

 

See below, from your own Ohio revised code:

 

4301.69 Underage persons offenses concerning.

 

(A) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, no person shall sell beer or intoxicating liquor to an underage person, shall buy beer or intoxicating liquor for an underage person, or shall furnish it to an underage person, unless given by a physician in the regular line of the physician’s practice or given for established religious purposes or unless the underage person is supervised by a parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian.

In proceedings before the liquor control commission, no permit holder, or no employee or agent of a permit holder, charged with a violation of this division shall be charged, for the same offense, with a violation of division (A)(1) of section 4301.22 of the Revised Code.

(B) No person who is the owner or occupant of any public or private place shall knowingly allow any underage person to remain in or on the place while possessing or consuming beer or intoxicating liquor, unless the intoxicating liquor or beer is given to the person possessing or consuming it by that person’s parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian and the parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian is present at the time of the person’s possession or consumption of the beer or intoxicating liquor.

An owner of a public or private place is not liable for acts or omissions in violation of this division that are committed by a lessee of that place, unless the owner authorizes or acquiesces in the lessee’s acts or omissions.

© No person shall engage or use accommodations at a hotel, inn, cabin, campground, or restaurant when the person knows or has reason to know either of the following:

(1) That beer or intoxicating liquor will be consumed by an underage person on the premises of the accommodations that the person engages or uses, unless the person engaging or using the accommodations is the spouse of the underage person and is not an underage person, or is the parent or legal guardian of all of the underage persons, who consume beer or intoxicating liquor on the premises and that person is on the premises at all times when beer or intoxicating liquor is being consumed by an underage person;

(2) That a drug of abuse will be consumed on the premises of the accommodations by any person, except a person who obtained the drug of abuse pursuant to a prescription issued by a licensed health professional authorized to prescribe drugs and has the drug of abuse in the original container in which it was dispensed to the person.

(D)(1) No person is required to permit the engagement of accommodations at any hotel, inn, cabin, or campground by an underage person or for an underage person, if the person engaging the accommodations knows or has reason to know that the underage person is intoxicated, or that the underage person possesses any beer or intoxicating liquor and is not supervised by a parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian who is or will be present at all times when the beer or intoxicating liquor is being consumed by the underage person.

(2) No underage person shall knowingly engage or attempt to engage accommodations at any hotel, inn, cabin, or campground by presenting identification that falsely indicates that the underage person is twenty-one years of age or older for the purpose of violating this section.

(E)(1) No underage person shall knowingly order, pay for, share the cost of, attempt to purchase, possess, or consume any beer or intoxicating liquor in any public or private place. No underage person shall knowingly be under the influence of any beer or intoxicating liquor in any public place. The prohibitions set forth in division (E)(1) of this section against an underage person knowingly possessing, consuming, or being under the influence of any beer or intoxicating liquor shall not apply if the underage person is supervised by a parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian, or the beer or intoxicating liquor is given by a physician in the regular line of the physician’s practice or given for established religious purposes.

(2)(a) If a person is charged with violating division (E)(1) of this section in a complaint filed under section 2151.27 of the Revised Code, the court may order the child into a diversion program specified by the court and hold the complaint in abeyance pending successful completion of the diversion program. A child is ineligible to enter into a diversion program under division (E)(2)(a) of this section if the child previously has been diverted pursuant to division (E)(2)(a) of this section. If the child completes the diversion program to the satisfaction of the court, the court shall dismiss the complaint and order the child’s record in the case sealed under sections 2151.356 to 2151.358 of the Revised Code. If the child fails to satisfactorily complete the diversion program, the court shall proceed with the complaint.

(b) If a person is charged in a criminal complaint with violating division (E)(1) of this section, section 2935.36 of the Revised Code shall apply to the offense, except that a person is ineligible for diversion under that section if the person previously has been diverted pursuant to division (E)(2)(a) or (b) of this section. If the person completes the diversion program to the satisfaction of the court, the court shall dismiss the complaint and order the record in the case sealed under section 2953.52 of the Revised Code. If the person fails to satisfactorily complete the diversion program, the court shall proceed with the complaint.

(F) No parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian of a minor shall knowingly permit the minor to violate this section or section 4301.63, 4301.633, or 4301.634 of the Revised Code.

(G) The operator of any hotel, inn, cabin, or campground shall make the provisions of this section available in writing to any person engaging or using accommodations at the hotel, inn, cabin, or campground.

(H) As used in this section:

(1) “Drug of abuse” has the same meaning as in section 3719.011 of the Revised Code.

(2) “Hotel” has the same meaning as in section 3731.01 of the Revised Code.

(3) “Licensed health professional authorized to prescribe drugs” and “prescription” have the same meanings as in section 4729.01 of the Revised Code.

(4) “Minor” means a person under the age of eighteen years.

(5) “Underage person” means a person under the age of twenty-one years.

Effective Date: 10-11-2002; 07-11-2006; 09-21-2006

 

Too much time on your hands........

[nrdsb4]

Too much time on your hands........

 

Hey, google is your friend. One stop shopping.:)