A new name for cruise critic????

[Terrence Richards]

I would like to propose a name change for "Cruise Critic". The word "critic" may be the cause for so many snarky remarks that appear on these boards. It does not only happen with the Cunard thread but with other cruise lines also.

 

Whenever there is a gathering of Cruise Critic members on board the ship, usually during the first day at sea (I only have experience with Cunard), I have noticed the reaction of many staff members in the place of the get together. They react to the word "Critic" and question what happens during the get together. One staff member asked me if we were going to criticize her service during our get together.

 

If the "Cruise Critic" get together should every get published in the "Daily Programme", I have met other guests who show up to see what the criticism is all about.

 

I would like to suggest a few new names for such a wonderful board that has helped so many cruise guests before, during, and after a voyage.

 

My suggestions are: "Cruise Chats" "Cruise Forum" "Cruise Chatting"

 

What do you fellow members think about a name change?

 

I would also appreciate a response from Laura S, our administrator, who works so hard to keep all our comments in focus.

 

Thank you for your anticipated responses.

 

Terrence

[patwell]

Cruise Critic has built a brand and an identity on this name....I can't imagine they'd change it because a few people don't know how to conduct themselves online. Nor should they have to.

 

Cheers, Penny

Penny’s Affair to Remember QM2 Review

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=471053

November 10,2007...the “Affair” continued...did it ever!

 

October 16,2008...the “Affair” goes transatlantic as we sail in tandem with the grand QE2 on her final transatlantic voyage...what a thrill!

 

December 9, 2008....the “Affair” resumes again....Life is good!

 

July 30, 2009....transatlantic again...some “Affairs” just get better

 

August 7, 2009....the “Affair” goes on...this time “home” to Norway

 

Feb. 7, 2010....the “Affair” takes a sunny detour when Penny meets a Princess

 

2010....the “Affair” is indecisive, but back to QM2 for 14 days somewhere

[cruisegal101]

Cruise Critic has built a brand and an identity on this name....I can't imagine they'd change it because a few people don't know how to conduct themselves online. Nor should they have to.

 

Cheers, Penny

 

 

Penny you are absolutely correct. And I have never heard any reaction from staff, crew or fellow cruisers as mentioned by the original poster.

[No534]

Ask "Trip Advisor", remember they own CC..... , not those that Post............

 

This is a commercial site after all, not a "club".

[Cruiser765]

I fail to see what difference this would make by changing the name.

 

This site is not the same as the one l quite happily joined some time ago, when one could expect good advice from seasoned cruisers.

 

All we can expect now is consistent bickering and posts that appear to be point scoring in some circles....and when such posts don't suit they are immediately wiped...or in many cases locked.

 

I really do feel sorry for folk who come on this board for genuiune guidance.

 

This site has become a disgrace.

 

Jackie

[southwestie]

" spot on"

[Cruiser765]

Now please, was I right or was I right.:D

 

Right about what. It would be helpful if you could explain please.

 

Thank You.

[southwestie]

Right about what. It would be helpful if you could explain please.

 

Thank You.

 

 

Oh I posted on the wrong thread :eek:

[pepperrn]

I don't wish to fall out with the OP over his idea, I still remember meeting him and his wife on board QM2 back in 2007 on the way south from New York, and in one way I can see his point, is "critic" too strong a word?

 

However, whilst a new name might read differently in an on-board daily programme, and maybe stop the odd person who thinks the whole thing is set up to criticise cruise ships, I don't think changing the name would stop people behaving on a public discussion forum the way that they do now. A rose by any other name…

 

There are several experienced, well travelled, superb writers on this board, they are informed and informative. There used to be far more of them. I enjoy the ones that still post here, their wit, knowledge and well written reviews/blogs or answers are a joy to read.

 

We all have differing viewpoints, experiences and backgrounds. We bring these to every post we make.

 

Two things I find most difficult:

Those posters who won’t consider an alternative view, or any dissention. They have spoken and that is the end of the matter, no other opinion is allowed.

And those members who, when they have lost a discussion point, continue to express their views to members (and others) by private message or e-mail, occasionally crossing over into threatening and/or abusive messages.

 

In conclusion, I sympathise with the OP and his worthy and sincere suggestion about the name of this board. But I don’t think changing the name will change the membership.

[southwestie]

" Spot on " again

[Terrence Richards]

Thank you patwell, Wheretonext???, No534, YorksLady, rob6852, and pepperm for your input.

 

I hope we receive input from more Cunard members.

 

Terrence

[The Real PM]

Cruise Critic seems a very appropriate name for this board and it’s membership, in my opinion. It seems that most posts are very informative and answer the questions posed by the OP in a polite and useful manner. Occasionally, there seems that there is more than one answer provided. That sometimes brings about a difference of opinion and sometimes that difference can be expressed quite strongly--and often misconstrued as terse and yes, perhaps even “snarky”. However, often many of the comments that one may consider sarcastic or snide are simple attempts at humor. It is the nature of these boards that very often friendships form and there are many personal quips shared. I believe that is human nature and, unless the board becomes a sterile, one dimensional, question and answer session, that those little quips and innuendos should continue. After all, questions and answers are most helpful to those new to cruising or to those who need some specific information,, but to those who are seasoned cruisers, many of the questions are quite elementary and, in the end, really not all that interesting. But you add a bit of humor with a slight bit of irony among friends, then the board becomes a great deal more lively and interesting. I, for one, hope that the board remains informative and polite, with members acting as "critics" defined in definition number two, below, but with just a little of their very unique, often very dry humor mixed in.

 

Gail:)

Source: WordNet ® 1.7

critic

n 1: a person who is professionally engaged in the analysis and

interpretation of works of art

2: anyone who expresses a reasoned judgment of something

3: someone who frequently finds fault or makes harsh and unfair

judgments

[garigoun]

Cruise Critic seems a very appropriate name for this board and it’s membership, in my opinion. It seems that most posts are very informative and answer the questions posed by the OP in a polite and useful manner. Occasionally, there seems that there is more than one answer provided. That sometimes brings about a difference of opinion and sometimes that difference can be expressed quite strongly--and often misconstrued as terse and yes, perhaps even “snarky”. However, often many of the comments that one may consider sarcastic or snide are simple attempts at humor. It is the nature of these boards that very often friendships form and there are many personal quips shared. I believe that is human nature and, unless the board becomes a sterile, one dimensional, question and answer session, that those little quips and innuendos should continue. After all, questions and answers are most helpful to those new to cruising or to those who need some specific information,, but to those who are seasoned cruisers, many of the questions are quite elementary and, in the end, really not all that interesting. But you add a bit of humor with a slight bit of irony among friends, then the board becomes a great deal more lively and interesting. I, for one, hope that the board remains informative and polite, with members acting as "critics" defined in definition number two, below, but with just a little of their very unique, often very dry humor mixed in.

 

Gail:)

Source: WordNet ® 1.7

critic

n 1: a person who is professionally engaged in the analysis and

interpretation of works of art

2: anyone who expresses a reasoned judgment of something

3: someone who frequently finds fault or makes harsh and unfair

judgments

 

"Blesséd are the Peacemakers..."

Gari

[guernseyguy]

I hope we receive input from more Cunard members. Terrence

 

Hello again Terrence - I think you raise a valid point, but as others have already pointed out, 'Cruise Critic' is a well established brand. This board used to be so much fun - now even whole ships get blocked!

 

As I was saying to my dear friend Commodore Warner the other day, as he guided me on my exclusive tour, denied to mere mortals, or even QG passengers, if there is one thing I can't stand its name dropping and showing off. The Commodore, deferring to my infinitely superior wisdom and knowledge was kind enough to nod in assent. Such a charming man! And so is the Commodore.

 

Peter

[cruisegal101]

Deleted. Not worth the effort.

[heywood]

I think that a change of name wouldn't make a bit of difference to this forum. However, I can see that were a meeting to be advertised on a daily programme, there could be some confusion by passengers who haven't been here and would perhaps think it was a group, particularly dedicated to criticism or maybe just evaluation of a ship and it's facilities.

I have noticed that the humour I used to love to read, has been missing of late and quite recently, there were some very cruel remarks made, which could never be interpreted as attempts at humour and thankfully the posts were removed. Sometimes it is a bit stale where no-one has much to say about anything.

In the majority of cases,however, the questions asked are answered, albeit there may be a change of direction partway but then it becomes entertaining, particularly with regard to linguistic differences.

I had never, by the way, heard the word 'snarky' before I read it on CC and the meaning was discussed. Personally, it is a word I would not want to use but the 'snarky' comments are always directed to another poster and not a cruise line so I suppose changing the name would not stop those intent on criticising another writer.

That's just my opinion of course but I would appreciate more of the informed content with gentle humour, which can be touched with a little irony but no cruelty. :D

[southwestie]

I think that a change of name wouldn't make a bit of difference to this forum. However, I can see that were a meeting to be advertised on a daily programme, there could be some confusion by passengers who haven't been here and would perhaps think it was a group, particularly dedicated to criticism or maybe just evaluation of a ship and it's facilities.

I have noticed that the humour I used to love to read, has been missing of late and quite recently, there were some very cruel remarks made, which could never be interpreted as attempts at humour and thankfully the posts were removed. Sometimes it is a bit stale where no-one has much to say about anything.

In the majority of cases,however, the questions asked are answered, albeit there may be a change of direction partway but then it becomes entertaining, particularly with regard to linguistic differences.

I had never, by the way, heard the word 'snarky' before I read it on CC and the meaning was discussed. Personally, it is a word I would not want to use but the 'snarky' comments are always directed to another poster and not a cruise line so I suppose changing the name would not stop those intent on criticising another writer.

That's just my opinion of course but I would appreciate more of the informed content with gentle humour, which can be touched with a little irony but no cruelty. :D

 

 

May I say that your post is very well written, you have put some thought into you words, and I for agree with you 100%

[cruisegal101]

Hello again Terrence - I think you raise a valid point, but as others have already pointed out, 'Cruise Critic' is a well established brand. This board used to be so much fun - now even whole ships get blocked!

 

As I was saying to my dear friend Commodore Warner the other day, as he guided me on my exclusive tour, denied to mere mortals, or even QG passengers, if there is one thing I can't stand its name dropping and showing off. The Commodore, deferring to my infinitely superior wisdom and knowledge was kind enough to nod in assent. Such a charming man! And so is the Commodore.

 

Peter

 

What a special day that must have been my friend! And how keen of the Commodore to recognize your infinite and superior wisdom and knowledge! Two such charming men in one spot at the same time is almost more than my old heart can bear. lol

[Terrence Richards]

Thank you The Real PM, garigoun, guernseyguy, Wheretonext???, heywood, and rob 6852 for your input on the topic of possibly changing the name "Cruise Critic" to a name more suitable for what we members do here to help each other.

 

Below, The Real PM has provided three definitions for the noun, critic.

 

May I suggest that everyone look up the adjective, "critical" and the verb, "criticize" also if you have not done so yet.

 

I think you will discover the gray areas of the word "critic" and why it contains both a positive and negative connotation that is open for misinterpretation.

 

Terrence

 

 

Gail:)

Source: WordNet ® 1.7

critic

 

1: a person who is professionally engaged in the analysis and

interpretation of works of art

 

2: anyone who expresses a reasoned judgment of something

 

3: someone who frequently finds fault or makes harsh and unfair

judgments

[Casino Player]

Howdy Mr. Richards: "Cruise Critic" has built a brand. Try changing the name of any other corporate identity. It does not work. There is no need to change the name of this entity. There is no reason that this company should cater to a small number of small minded people who like to argue.

[cruisegal101]

I am using this meaning: 2: anyone who expresses a reasoned judgment of something . . . and my question is why are we even discussing something as ludicrous as changing the name of an established website that has 542,672 members as of 12:22 p.m. today and the name seems to be perfectly fine for most of those 542,672 members.

 

I know that in posting this I sound like 3: someone who frequently finds fault or makes harsh and unfair judgments. . . . .but in my mind this is just a senseless discussion of something that is highly unlikely to happen. ;)

 

1: a person who is professionally engaged in the analysis and

interpretation of works of art . . . . . does not enter into the meaning as applied to a discussion board since said discussion board is definitely not a work of art and requires no analysis since it is what it is.:)

[southwestie]

Howdy Mr. Richards: "Cruise Critic" has built a brand. Try changing the name of any other corporate identity. It does not work. There is no need to change the name of this entity. There is no reason that this company should cater to a small number of small minded people who like to argue.

 

very well said.

 

I dont think Terrence Richards really thought that they would change the name, just an idea, I may be wrong.

 

as for senseless discussion , wel I would say it interesting:)

 

and no one is ranting or snarky either which is wonderful

[Cruachan]

"Blesséd are the Peacemakers..."

Gari

 

I'll drink to that - old Samuel Colt knew a thing or two about producing a good revolver.

 

Mind you, for my own part, I'd want something that could carry a bit more ammunition. I still like the old Browning High Power. Chunky grip, and the hammer can give you a bit of a nip if you aren't careful, but you've got 13 in the magazine (and one in the breach as well if you know how to do it) so you're ready for anything I'd say!

 

J

[Terrence Richards]

Source: WordNet ® 1.7

 

critic

 

1: a person who is professionally engaged in the analysis and

interpretation of works of art

 

2: anyone who expresses a reasoned judgment of something

 

3: someone who frequently finds fault or makes harsh and unfair

judgments

 

End of quote from Real PM

 

 

New from Terrence Richards:

 

 

Thank you Casino Player, Wheretonext???, and Rob6852 for your input since my previous entry.

 

Above Real PM provided us with three dictionary entrees for the noun "critic".

 

I wrote in my previous entry that everyone here should look up the words "critical" and "criticize" also. Well, I did not want to give you an assignment, so here they are from The American Heritage College Dictionary:

 

critical, adjective

 

1. Inclined to judge severely and find fault

 

2. Characterized by careful, exact evaluations and judgement

 

3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of critics or criticism

 

criticize, verb

 

1. To find fault with

 

2. To judge the merits and faults of, analyze and evaluate

 

So, definition number 3 for critic, definition number 1 for critical, and definition number 1 for criticize are in the negative realm and may be the cause for a negative connotation for "Cruise Critic".

 

I made a few suggestions for a new name in my first entry, such as: Cruise Chat or Cruise Forum or Cruise Chatting.

 

Anyone else have some ideas?

 

Terrence

[southwestie]

similar to the Europeans , this dates from 1588

 

Main Entry: 1crit·ic

Pronunciation: \ˈkri-tik\

Function: noun

Etymology: Latin criticus, from Greek kritikos, from kritikos able to discern or judge, from krinein

Date: 1588

1 a : one who expresses a reasoned opinion on any matter especially involving a judgment of its value, truth, righteousness, beauty, or technique b : one who engages often professionally in the analysis, evaluation, or appreciation of works of art or artistic performances

2 : one given to harsh or captious judgment