Solution to QM2 smoking arguments

[royntrace]

This could put a stop to all of the smoking issues and arguments on QM2.

 

If Cunard left Churchills exactly as it is and make the Commodore Club a full "smoking" bar (not split half smoking and half non-smoking) the passengers who like to smoke would have a nice bar area to drink and socialize in, the cigar smokers would have a quiet room to relax in and the people who hate the smell of tobacco would have no reason to visit this part of the ship as they would have all the other bars, totally smokefree, to themselves.

Now, even the most rabid anti-smokers couldn't possibly have a problem with this, could they?

 

Roy and Trace

[Valentino]

I hear you and it's a good idea. As a smoker I totally understand others complaints, hell, I've even realised how bad it is some days when I'm walking past the casino (and I'm a smoker!). My only concession would be is please don't stop us smoking on our balcony's. Mornings on holiday to me are all about sitting outside with a huge mug of coffee and a cigarette and watching the world go by - happy to go to the stern end in order not to upset other smokers so it blows "down wind" and if truth be known, I smoke a lot less when I'm restricted, but will not go on a cruise that won't permit smoking on balconies.

 

I like to think I'm a pretty reasonable person, and this is a pretty reasonable idea to me I only get all red and start puffing steam when people take away my right do as I want when it's within legal limits. ;)

[pb82]

... If Cunard left Churchills exactly as it is and make the Commodore Club a full "smoking" bar (not split half smoking and half non-smoking) ...

 

Roy and Trace

The QM2 Commodore Club has been entirely non-smoking for quite some time now.

[Oahucruiser]

The QM2 Commodore Club has been entirely non-smoking for quite some time now.

 

On both ships

[royntrace]

The QM2 Commodore Club has been entirely non-smoking for quite some time now.

 

Yes, I know that, I am saying that if that part (Commodore and Churchills) of the ship was smoking, people who don't like smoking would have no reason at all to go there, the non-smoking passengers would have the rest of the ship to go at, hardly unreasonable I think.

 

Roy

[Valentino]

Royntrace - I congratulate you on your attempt to find a solution, alas I fear that for many there will be no solution.

 

:o

[Berserker]

This could put a stop to all of the smoking issues and arguments on QM2.

 

The vociferous anti-smokers will not rest until all joy has been squeezed from the world. If/when they win on smoking, they'll move on to something else.

 

There is no solution save people behaving as adults.

[Valentino]

Hmmm, Happyguy, me thinks it's time to change your name! Edited to note that Happy Guy has come on and given his very first every post - BEGONE TROLL

[Berserker]

I think the problem is that laws are passed by governments that say no smoking in public places and QM2 is a public place, to be honest im surpised you can still smoke in churchills, we all know in the UK the only place to smoke now is outside.

 

You have posted this misinformation previously.

 

The smoking ban does not apply on ships. Regulations are being drawn up and you may be interested in the following consultation document that describes proposed regulations.

 

http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/closed/smokingonships/consultationletter.pdf

[brigittetom]

Yes, I know that, I am saying that if that part (Commodore and Churchills) of the ship was smoking, people who don't like smoking would have no reason at all to go there, the non-smoking passengers would have the rest of the ship to go at, hardly unreasonable I think.

 

Roy

 

I thought of that exact same solution hours after I was blown away by the new rules. Perfect solution. It makes perfect sense.

 

It will never happen because its a preferred location. Non smokers have realized that all they have to do is demand and it will happen. Smokers have retreated quietly to a few designated tables in the corner....in the pub, pool deck. Non smoking nights in the casino, the staff know it's an early night and plan parties. Smokers are willing to compromise, non smokers feel they should have access to the entire ship without having to walk by any areas where smoking is allowed. Obviously, even though every single other venue is smoke free, non smokers will want to be able to enjoy the Commodore lounge. And there it is. :D

[capnpugwash]

Gosh I miss the bitter stench of a smokers breath, I don't know why I ever stopped. Oh yes I do. Leave the Commodores Club alone, if you wish to smoke as is your inaliable right go on deck, or on your balcony or go to France.

[brigittetom]

And there it is.

[southwestie]

Well said capt.

 

I do hope this does turn into yet another agument and wish that people would stop saying that non smokers and anti smokers have made a law or can force a company as big as Cunard to stop smokers, it is not true, we n the UK have a law passed by the governement and as such we follow it, its not about weither people smell or dont smell of smoke or if we have to inhale other peoples smoke as pass the pub or casino or if people are force to work along the smoke and become passive smokers, itt is the las and really churchills should also stop and for all I know will at some point,

 

I have no problem with anyone smoking in cabins, balcony,s churchills or even one of the bars, im sure other non smokers want more, but the law is there.it should be followed, In the Uk we are to have cigerettes dulled down and then displays will covered up.

 

I know hard it for people to get themself off them having spent 25 out of 33 years with a smoker, I how much better he is now so I agree with the ban, but I also see from the other side and I know it is hard.

 

smoking on deck and balconies , I dont any problem with that at all

 

please read the laws around the world and lets not let this thread turn nasty like the others have. lets just chat about it

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_ban

 

 

 

 

 

 

[southwestie]

Gosh I miss the bitter stench of a smokers breath, I don't know why I ever stopped. Oh yes I do. Leave the Commodores Club alone, if you wish to smoke as is your inaliable right go on deck, or on your balcony or go to France.

 

 

BTW see you in Belgium may 2010

[brigittetom]

I'm confused by the last post but I do know that English law has nothing to do with what happens on the QM2. Obviously everyone has to go along with the majority. So, we have a balcony, it's the only place where we will be allowed to smoke. Obviously, with in a few months of our voyage, there will be complaints of smoke smelled somewhere out there on the open seas, so obviously smoking will be banned on balconys and of course in the cabins. Great, you win. Happy????

 

Can you now just enjoy your cruise and leave the rest of us alone.

[VirginCruiser II]

Yes, I know that, I am saying that if that part (Commodore and Churchills) of the ship was smoking, people who don't like smoking would have no reason at all to go there, the non-smoking passengers would have the rest of the ship to go at, hardly unreasonable I think.

 

Roy

 

Hardly reasonable either. Why should the majority of passengers - who choose not to damage their health - be deprived of the most popular and elegant bar on the ship?

[VirginCruiser II]

I'm confused by the last post but I do know that English law has nothing to do with what happens on the QM2. Obviously everyone has to go along with the majority. So, we have a balcony, it's the only place where we will be allowed to smoke. Obviously, with in a few months of our voyage, there will be complaints of smoke smelled somewhere out there on the open seas, so obviously smoking will be banned on balconys and of course in the cabins. Great, you win. Happy????

 

Can you now just enjoy your cruise and leave the rest of us alone.

 

Gladly!:D

[VirginCruiser II]

I'm confused by the last post but I do know that English law has nothing to do with what happens on the QM2. Obviously everyone has to go along with the majority. So, we have a balcony, it's the only place where we will be allowed to smoke. Obviously, with in a few months of our voyage, there will be complaints of smoke smelled somewhere out there on the open seas, so obviously smoking will be banned on balconys and of course in the cabins. Great, you win. Happy????

 

Can you now just enjoy your cruise and leave the rest of us alone.

 

 

Well I dont win anything, and why does british law not affect the ship???

 

I dont think for a moment that smoking will be banned on balconys or cabins.

[michael mac]

I think it would be reasonable to request that Cunard at least make the deck area that your permitted to smoke in a bit more than an ashtray on the bulkhead (wall) maybe a seating area thats available 24 hours a day, somewhere sheltered from the elements that you can excess without getting your head blown off, mid atlantic.

Also if this area could be served by a Bar waiter, this area could end being the most popular and fun place on the Ship so much so that even some non smokers might even start smoking so they could join in.

 

I do think that most nonsmokers (not antismokers) would agree that some sort of sheltered smoking area with easy excess would be a reasonable request.

 

Michael Mac

[capnpugwash]

Robin, I think that it will be totally banned from ships, I don't necessarily think that it should be but it is just the way the World is turning. The next thing we lose is our rights to discipline our children and don't get me started on sending boys up to sweep chimneys, it was thoroughly safe and kept them off the streets. Bah.

[southwestie]

I think it would be reasonable to request that Cunard at least make the deck area that your permitted to smoke in a bit more than an ashtray on the bulkhead (wall) maybe a seating area thats available 24 hours a day, somewhere sheltered from the elements that you can excess without getting your head blown off, mid atlantic.

Also if this area could be served by a Bar waiter, this area could end being the most popular and fun place on the Ship so much so that even some non smokers might even start smoking so they could join in.

 

I do think that most nonsmokers (not antismokers) would agree that some sort of sheltered smoking area with easy excess would be a reasonable request.

 

Michael Mac

 

 

Maybe an idea to put to Cunard, there is a good area at the stern, next to the bar there

[Seachase20]

I'm confused by the last post but I do know that English law has nothing to do with what happens on the QM2. Obviously everyone has to go along with the majority. So, we have a balcony, it's the only place where we will be allowed to smoke. Obviously, with in a few months of our voyage, there will be complaints of smoke smelled somewhere out there on the open seas, so obviously smoking will be banned on balconys and of course in the cabins. Great, you win. Happy????

 

Can you now just enjoy your cruise and leave the rest of us alone.

 

I'm a former smoker - quit a long time ago - but have to agree that it's tough when the noisy non-smokers complain until they take over the whole ship. I don't think that's fair. What about complaining about perfume and aftershave? Sometime people use so much that it's impossible to breath near them. Just as bad in its way as smoking. I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to let smokers have a few places where they can enjoy a cigarette if they wish. Bullying tactics, I feel, and while I don't want to sit in a smokey room myself, I don't at all resent passing a smokey atmosphere occasionally. What is the big deal?! Shall we ban cars and trucks on the streets of any town you care to name because there are fumes that are bad for walkers? There has to be some compromise surely!

[capnpugwash]

I think it would be reasonable to request that Cunard at least make the deck area that your permitted to smoke in a bit more than an ashtray on the bulkhead (wall) maybe a seating area thats available 24 hours a day, somewhere sheltered from the elements that you can excess without getting your head blown off, mid atlantic.

Also if this area could be served by a Bar waiter, this area could end being the most popular and fun place on the Ship so much so that even some non smokers might even start smoking so they could join in.

 

I do think that most nonsmokers (not antismokers) would agree that some sort of sheltered smoking area with easy excess would be a reasonable request.

 

Michael Mac

 

So to draw the natural conclusion, with the enclosures to protect the smokers from the nasty weather and the comfy seating so they can relax in comfort, it would be, what is that word I am looking for? Oh got it, it is a Bar. A cunning plan.

[southwestie]

Robin, I think that it will be totally banned from ships, I don't necessarily think that it should be but it is just the way the World is turning. The next thing we lose is our rights to discipline our children and don't get me started on sending boys up to sweep chimneys, it was thoroughly safe and kept them off the streets. Bah.

 

 

thanks for that capt, I am a non smoker, but I all firmly belive that smokers have rights as well, I do think there should be placed for them to smoke, if there is a force 11 as on our last crossing then they cant go outside and while the rest of us are enjoying a drink and watching the waves the smokers are being driven insane, but I do know that as you say the world is going the way of stopping smoking.

 

British law says no smoking in public buildings and cunard follow this law, simple as that.surley that many smokers dont complain all the time to cunard as to get it banned that way.

 

again, please ALL lets not get a good chat get spoilt by arugments, lets all chat

[Berserker]

why does british law not affect the ship???

 

Because the Act does not make provision for it to do so.

 

However see the link I posted earlier.