Solution to QM2 smoking arguments

[Valentino]

Agreed - with the limited capacity/seating in Churchills it would involve a lot of people just "stopping by" rather than sitting and enjoying the ambience.

 

Not sure about the Winter Garden as it's quite open - if I remember correctly there are no doors on it? but it is out of the way as such. I remember when i was on the ship that it was nearly always empty and pretty souless and I just kept thinking what a waste of a lovely big space.

[Norfolk Brit]

Agreed - with the limited capacity/seating in Churchills it would involve a lot of people just "stopping by" rather than sitting and enjoying the ambience.

 

But surely, with its close proximity to the delightful but non-smoking Commodore Club, that's what already happens - certainly, that's what I used it for, as did many others.

 

Mary

[Valentino]

Ah, I hadn't realised that it was in close proximity to the Commodores club. Thanks

[Norfolk Brit]

Ah ha, it is indeed - next door. My fairly limited experience pointed to a handful of regular incumbants, some cigar smokers and some cigarette-smokers, and the rest casual visitors, fleeing the horribly clean air elsewhere;).

 

Mary

[brigittetom]

I totally agree. :) We also used Churchills for a cigarette break while enjoying time in the Commodore Club, although it was only the very few smokers in the Commodore Club that used Churchills for a cigarette break while cigar smokers could still feel that they hadn't been invaded.

 

I don't pretend to know what goes on thruout the ship all evening but I do know that the casino bar, the slot areas, the 6 smoking tables and the dartboard area in the pub, standing room only, are always occupied by smokers before and after dinner. Logically these people will want to go somewhere indoors when the smoking ban takes effect. The pool deck on a TA is not desireable. They are being offered Churchills. Period. Obviously the next step will be to ban cigarettes from Churchills. In all fairness, I can't blame them.

 

What's really pathetic is the fact that most don't even care about the smoking areas because they don't occupy them in the first place. It's the fact that they have to walk by areas that allow smoking, they and their friends have decided that all they have to do is fill out the complaint cards. Which is what we are told. The complaint cards have decided.

 

Unfortunately, it's not the non smokers who care about preserving Churchills. :rolleyes:

[Norfolk Brit]

The complaint cards have decided.

 

And, so often, the comment cards are only completed by those with a complaint - those of us who were quite happy with things as they were were unlikely to fill ours in with "thank you for letting me smoke wherever", and those who don't care either way won't have mentioned it.

 

A handful of small-ish smoking rooms dotted around on different decks would solve the problem for me, and presumably everyone other than the most rabid anti?

 

Mary

[KarenR_UK]

A handful of small-ish smoking rooms dotted around on different decks would solve the problem for me, and presumably everyone other than the most rabid anti?

 

Mary

 

Seems reasonable to be (& I can be quite anti though I try to be reasonable ;)) - I would prefer lots of those, in conjunction with smoking being allowed in cabins, to smoking on balconys to be truthful - on our upcoming P&O trip, (I believe*) all indoor smoking has been banned, including cabins, if it was a longer cruise I would be quite concerned about how much the balcony would be affected by neighbours.

 

(* still trying to verify - their site is sooo slow today)

[Cruachan]

Seems reasonable to be (& I can be quite anti though I try to be reasonable ;)) - I would prefer lots of those, in conjunction with smoking being allowed in cabins, to smoking on balconys to be truthful - on our upcoming P&O trip, (I believe*) all indoor smoking has been banned, including cabins, if it was a longer cruise I would be quite concerned about how much the balcony would be affected by neighbours.

 

(* still trying to verify - their site is sooo slow today)

 

There's another thread, just started today on here with some recent info from Cunard about their smoking policy. I don't know if it adds much that wasn't known already though.

 

J

[KarenR_UK]

 

(* still trying to verify - their site is sooo slow today)

 

Can't find it on their website - but did find the answer on this site :rolleyes:

 

http://www.cruisecritic.co.uk/news/news.cfm?ID=3348

 

(& that should have been "Seems reasonable to ME ... "

[Ray66]

It was first mentioned on here on 1st March

 

http://cruiseforums.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1155787

[JustinCornell]

Maybe its the overflow area once Churchill's is full ? :D

[garigoun]

They first banned smoking, and I didn't speak up because I didn’t smoke, only anti-social people smoked. Then they banned the selling of alcoholic drinks, and I didn't speak up because I didn’t drink very much and others drank to excess. Then they banned the eating of meat, and I didn't speak up because I’ll grow accustomed to nuts and lentils. Then they banned enjoyment, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn‘t enjoying myself anyway with no cigarettes, scotch or steaks. Then they banned the freedom to have individual thoughts, dreams, wishes. And by that time I thought the same as everyone else, of course. (with thanks to Pastor Martin Niemoller).

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Pepper.

 

Nice touch Pepper OM, couldn't compliment you on the original thread for obvious reasons.

Gari

[pepperrn]

Nice touch Pepper OM, Gari

 

Thank you Gari

 

A "never have smoked"...

[Shelbyjane56]

Or conversely why should the smokers (who pay the same as non smokers) only get the crap places?

A Non-smoking Gari

 

Could it be because the smoke smells like crap?:D

[southwestie]

Could it be because the smoke smells like crap?:D

 

 

I wonder if Cuanrd should allow more places for smokers but charge more to cover the clean up process, Hotels charge if you smoke in a non smoker room and quite a hefty sum as well

[shelfstacker666]

I wonder if Cuanrd should allow more places for smokers but charge more to cover the clean up process, Hotels charge if you smoke in a non smoker room and quite a hefty sum as well

 

Isn't the clue there that they charge if you smoke in a non smoking room? I don't think anyone has advocated smoking in non smoking areas - you'll be able to find the post no doubt if I'm wrong.

[bkecky]

Firstly I can't speak about the QM2, only the QV but I understand the policy is changing on both. I have to say I was slightly upset at the change in smoking policy, especially as it changes just before my next cruise. I am a smoker from a completely non-smoking family and consequently I can't smoke in our cabin although the others don't mind me going on the balcony. I completely understand why smoking has now been banned in the casino because if they have a smoking bar, non-smokers could always go elsewhere but there wasn't a non-smoking gambling alternative.

 

Unfortunately it's something I have been expecting for a while, especially with the amount of complaints going around. I think the change in policy is fair but what I don't consider fair is that if I am in the pub or casino I have to trek up to Churchill's eight decks up to have a cigarette inside or endure the elements outside. I don't really have an issue with going outside in the day in a warm climate but it's no fun battling with the wind and heavy doors in a formal dress on a transatlantic! I also spend a lot of time in the pub alone so I will be back to the old down the drink and lose my seat job just to have a smoke. I just think it really should have been planned out better.

 

Last year I was in the Queen's Grill and when I wanted my post main course smoke I had to go down, walk the length of the ship and then back up to get to Churchill's, which meant that I would be gone for a good 15 minutes (not exactly social). The thought of doing that several times a day is just horrific.

 

From my experience a lot of the smokers went in the pub and to imagine all of us cramped up in Chrurchill's...It's not big enough and even though I smoke, there is nothing worse than walking into a cloud of it in a room that size. Come on, Cunard, there must be a compromise. I realise a ship full of smoke would ruin people's holidays but standing outside in the cold or stinging my eyes with a confined room with a fog of smoke doesn't really do a lot for mine! Even an additional smoking room similar to Churchill's further down the ship would be a step in the right direction.

 

On the plus side I will be able to pull off some cracking slinky formal dresses with my toned physique from running up and down the stairs. I suppose it will also be a good social thing with seeing the same faces day in day out, smokers united! Every cloud...

[CtheW0rld]

my solution is to not sail with cunard.

[southwestie]

Your right there, I wish they would ban it 100% through the whole line, it will come, but not fast enough.

 

there are still lines that allow it.for now.

[vtbobby]

my solution is to not sail with cunard.

 

Unfortunately then, your sailing days will soon be over. We've sailed with three different lines in the past few years (besides Cunard), and none allow smoking in staterooms or on balconies. On our recent 40 day voyage, smoking was only allowed at a remote outside corner of the pool deck, and at two tables in the rear of one lounge.

 

Cunard is one of the few Jurassic holdouts and, thankfully, is gradually joining the 21st century.

[southwestie]

I did that this on this board some months back, some companies are taking the slowly, slowly way, they all will fall into line,Cunard will I hope abn it for good soon, so we can enjoy a smoke free cruise

[MrandMrsBeee]

[quote name='vtbobby'][B]Unfortunately then, your sailing days will soon be over. We've sailed with three different lines in the past few years (besides Cunard), and none allow smoking in staterooms or on balconies. On our recent 40 day voyage, smoking was only allowed at a remote outside corner of the pool deck, and at two tables in the rear of one lounge.[/B]

[B]Cunard is one of the few Jurassic holdouts and, thankfully, is gradually joining the 21st century.[/B][/quote]

The sooner the better

[MrandMrsBeee]

[quote name='rob6852']I did that this on this board some months back, some companies are taking the slowly, slowly way, they all will fall into line,Cunard will I hope abn it for good soon, so we can enjoy a smoke free cruise[/quote]

Me too, I can only hope that the stateroom is free from any smells, or burns.

[brigittetom]

Cunard has already decided on the non smoking policy because of all the complaint cards. Really, there is a need for more emails sent???? What actually happens when a nice Cunard passenger wants to travel with a smoker? All travel among friends is over????? Because no one can actually get on the Huge Queen Mary 2 with a small room on deck 9 regulated to smokers. We all know that in the very near future the QM2 will be non smoking. You really can't wait without complaining,

 

In todays world, smokers are your worst enemy, you are lucky.